Who is harmed by same-sex marriage?

[Freiheit Reich]

Children, they will have confused values and not know how to behave properly within their gender roles.

Their confusion will lead to higher rates of sexual misconduct and perversion. Also, higher divorce rates as these children get older.

Divorce rates are higher in the USA now versus the 1950s when there were less gay rights. Perhaps gay rights is one factor in this among many??

sauce?

Divorce rates easy to find but you must be new to the internet. Try google. Notice the climb in the 1960's during the sexual revolution. Gay rights movement strong in 1970's and on and divorce rates moved upwards.

http://www.bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/s ... vorce.html

[Individuality-ness]

Does same sex marriage hurt anybody? No. In fact, I'd think it'd help various industries related to weddings, not to mention that it's a human right that shouldn't have been denied in the first place.

[The united imperial sector]

Of course not that would be way to difficult to enforce.

...Are you saying you'd do it if it wasn't difficult?

No of course not why would I wan't to down size the population of our work force?

[Ovisterra]

Okay, and? It's not different from the kids being bullied for other reasons. It's not a legitimate reason to block same sex marriage.

Alright true but how do you think that child would feel looking around seeing kids with a mom and dad calling them mommy or daddy.How will that child compansate for that loss of one parent is he supposed to call one guy daddy and the other mommy?

Prove that having two dads or mums negatively affects a kid. Go on. I'll wait.

[Aghny]

Okay, and? It's not different from the kids being bullied for other reasons. It's not a legitimate reason to block same sex marriage.

Alright true but how do you think that child would feel looking around seeing kids with a mom and dad calling them mommy or daddy.How will that child compansate for that loss of one parent is he supposed to call one guy daddy and the other mommy?

I was raised by my aunt. I didn't have any parents to call mommy and daddy per se. I didn't see that as a problem

[Azrael]

Women can wear suits and no one would bat an eye at them but the same wouldn't happen if I were to wear a dress.

I have worn a dress on more than one occasion, i could care less about what others think.

(In my case, it was for entertainment between friends)

But the fact that some see one as acceptable and the other as not normal shows that perceived gender roles still create double standards like this. It's a more than just legislative, since it stems from society. I wasn't fully being sequitur with your post but I figured it was a good example of social perceptions in the western world.

[Condunum]

...Are you saying you'd do it if it wasn't difficult?

No of course not why would I wan't to down size the population of our work force?

Fucking fascists.

[Ovisterra]

...Are you saying you'd do it if it wasn't difficult?

No of course not why would I wan't to down size the population of our work force?

You're laughably inconsistent.

[Individuality-ness]

sauce?

Divorce rates easy to find but you must be new to the internet. Try google. Notice the climb in the 1960's during the sexual revolution. Gay rights movement strong in 1970's and on and divorce rates moved upwards.

http://www.bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/s ... vorce.html

Sweetie, I think you fell into the "correlation =! causation" trap.

[The united imperial sector]

No of course not why would I wan't to down size the population of our work force?

Fucking fascists.

Hey now whats so wrong about a system that focuses on loyalty and labor?

[Azrael]

No of course not why would I wan't to down size the population of our work force?

You're laughably inconsistent.

No, he's a fascist who takes every opportunity to display he's a fascist. It's pretty (laughably) consistent if you ask me.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Does same sex marriage hurt anybody? No. In fact, I'd think it'd help various industries related to weddings, not to mention that it's a human right that shouldn't have been denied in the first place.

In fact the ancient world (Rome and Greece) were EXTREMELY open about it. But you know, those pesky European Christians and their Norman Conquest fucked all of us and they still are fucking with us for more than 1500 years.

[Azrael]

Fucking fascists.

Hey now whats so wrong about a system that focuses on loyalty and labor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave

Note I'm not expressing any opinion here. (although I highly disagree with fascism)

[The united imperial sector]

You're laughably inconsistent.

No, he's a fascist who takes every opportunity to display he's a fascist. It's pretty (laughably) consistent if you ask me.

I'm simply posting responses .

[Condunum]

Fucking fascists.

Hey now whats so wrong about a system that focuses on loyalty and labor?

Perhaps the coercion and all that disgusting shit.

[Norstal]

Not to mention you can still practice gender roles if your partner agrees to it. (not the extreme forms like execution for disobeying)

Saying that it should be required by law is stupid.

Women can wear suits and no one would bat an eye at them but the same wouldn't happen if I were to wear a dress..

I'd imagine if women just wear speedos or men's shorts (with an undershirt of some sort), they'd get looks.

[Individuality-ness]

Does same sex marriage hurt anybody? No. In fact, I'd think it'd help various industries related to weddings, not to mention that it's a human right that shouldn't have been denied in the first place.

In fact the ancient world (Rome and Greece) were EXTREMELY open about it. But you know, those pesky European Christians and their Norman Conquest fucked all of us and they still are fucking with us for more than 1500 years.

They were big fans on fucking prepubescent boys, that's for sure.

[Ovisterra]

You're laughably inconsistent.

No, he's a fascist who takes every opportunity to display he's a fascist. It's pretty (laughably) consistent if you ask me.

Nah, he says we should prevent gays from adopting kids because other kids would bully them. When someone pointed out that could happen to almost any minority, he denied that he supported the prevention of them marrying.

[Aghny]

I have worn a dress on more than one occasion, i could care less about what others think.

(In my case, it was for entertainment between friends)

But the fact that some see one as acceptable and the other as not normal shows that perceived gender roles still create double standards like this. It's a more than just legislative, since it stems from society. I wasn't fully being sequitur with your post but I figured it was a good example of social perceptions in the western world.

I was implying that it shouldn't matter.

But i do agree that it is a problem with society in general.

[Azrael]

Women can wear suits and no one would bat an eye at them but the same wouldn't happen if I were to wear a dress..

I'd imagine if women just wear speedos or men's shorts (with an undershirt of some sort), they'd get looks.

I was talking formal attire, not swimwear! Besides, people always will get looks when wearing swimsuits, if you know what I mean. *wolf-whistle*

[Condunum]

Alright true but how do you think that child would feel looking around seeing kids with a mom and dad calling them mommy or daddy.How will that child compansate for that loss of one parent is he supposed to call one guy daddy and the other mommy?

Well, ask a child with two moms or dads. Guess what they'll probably say? This was not an issue for them. They grew up with two loving, accepting parents. While it might spark curiosity, I've no doubt they appreciate their parents and wouldn't want to trade them.

[The united imperial sector]

Hey now whats so wrong about a system that focuses on loyalty and labor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave

Note I'm not expressing any opinion here. (although I highly disagree with fascism)

Oh my god I saw a movie was in German about this it was in a German school and they called themselves the wave! Great movie btw.

[Farnhamia]

Does same sex marriage hurt anybody? No. In fact, I'd think it'd help various industries related to weddings, not to mention that it's a human right that shouldn't have been denied in the first place.

In fact the ancient world (Rome and Greece) were EXTREMELY open about it. But you know, those pesky European Christians and their Norman Conquest fucked all of us and they still are fucking with us for more than 1500 years.

You seem like a bright fellow, Confini, so show me some ancient Greek or Roman same-sex marriages. Mainstream ones, please.

[The Electoral College]

No, he's a fascist who takes every opportunity to display he's a fascist. It's pretty (laughably) consistent if you ask me.

Nah, he says we should prevent gays from adopting kids because other kids would bully them. When someone pointed out that could happen to almost any minority, he denied that he supported the prevention of them marrying.

Not to mention society encourages self-confidence in the face of bullies from kids for things that are far more of a choice than the sexuality of their parents.

[Azrael]

No, he's a fascist who takes every opportunity to display he's a fascist. It's pretty (laughably) consistent if you ask me.

Nah, he says we should prevent gays from adopting kids because other kids would bully them. When someone pointed out that could happen to almost any minority, he denied that he supported the prevention of them marrying.

I was joking, but yah.