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Postby Azrael » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:49 am

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The united imperial sector wrote:Oh in that case I apologize I may not care about being a hate mongering fascist but I can not stand being rude.


Your OK with mongering fascist, but can't stand being rude? I don't get this logic.

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The united imperial sector wrote:So what it just shows kids how to act gender roles worked just fine in ancient and medieval times there are still villages were gender roles go on worldwide and they don't seem to complain about it.

Do you even pay attention to world events? The fact that women can be executed in some parts of the world for not obeying their husband? All the social struggles because of stuff like this?


Saudi arabia has some pretty damn harsh laws about women, if your raped as a women you can be killed by your own family for defiling their honor, if you raise a hand against your husband he is allowed to beat you to "correct" you, if you skip going to the mosque or are caught driving you can be arrested and imprisoned. You can even be flogged for speaking your opinion against the state.

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Postby Aghny » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:50 am

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The united imperial sector wrote:So what it just shows kids how to act gender roles worked just fine in ancient and medieval times there are still villages were gender roles go on worldwide and they don't seem to complain about it.

Do you even pay attention to world events? The fact that women can be executed in some parts of the world for not obeying their husband? All the social struggles because of stuff like this?


Not to mention you can still practice gender roles if your partner agrees to it. (not the extreme forms like execution for disobeying)

Saying that it should be required by law is stupid.

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Postby The united imperial sector » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:50 am

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The united imperial sector wrote:Oh in that case I apologize I may not care about being a hate mongering fascist but I can not stand being rude.

Apology accepted. Now can we get off this topic? Its not relevant to the thread.

Alright then, in my physiology class we actually discussed if a same sex couple adopted my teacher said even if the parents sexuality do not affect the child the child will be effected by his peers around him.I.E being bullied for having two fathers or two mothers.

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Postby Aghny » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:51 am

The united imperial sector wrote:
Condunum wrote:Apology accepted. Now can we get off this topic? Its not relevant to the thread.

Alright then, in my physiology class we actually discussed if a same sex couple adopted my teacher said even if the parents sexuality do not affect the child the child will be effected by his peers around him.I.E being bullied for having two fathers or two mothers.


You should find a better class.

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Postby Condunum » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:51 am

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Oh I don't donate anything other than my time at this point :p I'm also broke lol

There's actually a charity organization near me called Meals on Wheels. Look them up sometime, they're pretty good. Basically, they're an organization that allows you to come in and cook food, and take some home. I find myself regularly donating to this organization, because they helped me greatly in the past. I'm saddened, because the branch in my county is shutting down because of lack of funding.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:51 am

Aghny wrote:Not to mention you can still practice gender roles if your partner agrees to it. (not the extreme forms like execution for disobeying)

Saying that it should be required by law is stupid.


^ This PLUS the fact some members of the opposite sex (men and women alike) LOVE gender roles, they take ownership of them, and expect their partners to do the same.

But yea, requiring it by law is stupid.
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Postby Azrael » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:52 am

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Azrael wrote:Do you even pay attention to world events? The fact that women can be executed in some parts of the world for not obeying their husband? All the social struggles because of stuff like this?


Not to mention you can still practice gender roles if your partner agrees to it. (not the extreme forms like execution for disobeying)

Saying that it should be required by law is stupid.

Women can wear suits and no one would bat an eye at them but the same wouldn't happen if I were to wear a dress.

Benuty wrote:Saudi arabia has some pretty damn harsh laws about women, if your raped as a women you can be killed by your own family for defiling their honor, if you raise a hand against your husband he is allowed to beat you to "correct" you, if you skip going to the mosque or are caught driving you can be arrested and imprisoned.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:52 am

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Condunum wrote:Apology accepted. Now can we get off this topic? Its not relevant to the thread.

Alright then, in my physiology class we actually discussed if a same sex couple adopted my teacher said even if the parents sexuality do not affect the child the child will be effected by his peers around him.I.E being bullied for having two fathers or two mothers.

That's true. But so does their parents being any type of minority. Should we stop minorities from having children then?
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Postby Condunum » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:52 am

The united imperial sector wrote:
Condunum wrote:Apology accepted. Now can we get off this topic? Its not relevant to the thread.

Alright then, in my physiology class we actually discussed if a same sex couple adopted my teacher said even if the parents sexuality do not affect the child the child will be effected by his peers around him.I.E being bullied for having two fathers or two mothers.

Okay, and? It's not different from the kids being bullied for other reasons. It's not a legitimate reason to block same sex marriage.
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Postby The united imperial sector » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:52 am

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Your OK with mongering fascist, but can't stand being rude? I don't get this logic.

Affably evil, my friend.

Lol that link was awsome man. :rofl:

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Postby The united imperial sector » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:53 am

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The united imperial sector wrote:Alright then, in my physiology class we actually discussed if a same sex couple adopted my teacher said even if the parents sexuality do not affect the child the child will be effected by his peers around him.I.E being bullied for having two fathers or two mothers.

That's true. But so does their parents being any type of minority. Should we stop minorities from having children then?

Of course not that would be way to difficult to enforce.

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Postby Republica Newland » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:53 am

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Oh please do keep on entertaining me :lol: Aaaaanddd? What happened? Did your brain explode mid-way through the sentence?

The next part of the post was irrelevant generalization about political viewpoints. Leaving it would've been a distraction from my main point.

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Postby Azrael » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:54 am

Norstal wrote:
The united imperial sector wrote:Alright then, in my physiology class we actually discussed if a same sex couple adopted my teacher said even if the parents sexuality do not affect the child the child will be effected by his peers around him.I.E being bullied for having two fathers or two mothers.

That's true. But so does their parents being any type of minority. Should we stop minorities from having children then?

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Postby Urmanian » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:54 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:Divorce rates are higher in the USA now versus the 1950s when there were less gay rights. Perhaps gay rights is one factor in this among many??

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Postby Condunum » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:54 am

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Norstal wrote:That's true. But so does their parents being any type of minority. Should we stop minorities from having children then?

Of course not that would be way to difficult to enforce.

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Postby Menassa » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:54 am

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Again, nothing where Jesus says anything about it. Also, when the "be fruitful and multiply" suggestion was given, there were only 2 people on the planet. Now there's upwards of 7 billion. CLEARLY, REPRODUCTION IS NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE. This should be painfully obvious to everybody.

Also, the Corinthians reference have nothing to do with reproduction.

Whether Jesus said it or not, it still is the word of God. THE WHOLESOME MOTHERFUCKING HOLY BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD, GOD DAMN IT. How hard is it for you to understand? It doesn't matter which book it is, which chapter, which verse, as long as it is in-the-Bible, it is officially Word-of-God. Also Bible never gets old, because it is the eternal word of God.

Yes, The Old Testament is the Word of God.... however to Christians (not sure if you're one) so is the New Testament.... I believe somewhere.... maybe over the whole course of the Book Jesus was here to save us... that's the point of his death at Calvary... to fulfill the The Law that we would not longer need it... Paul even says: "The Law is like our schoolmaster" Paul is calling the Law training wheels, it helped us at a time but now is no longer relevant.

So before you go throwing The Law under Jesus's name.... remember before who you stand.

Side point, Christians were never given The Law, it's not for them to follow.... "And I will make a covenant between me and my people," Not: "Between me and all people," God said that about destroying the world by flood.

However it is understandable that you think such because you may believe that the body of believers is the New House of Israel and there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ... but you're wrong... very wrong.
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Postby The united imperial sector » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:55 am

Condunum wrote:
The united imperial sector wrote:Alright then, in my physiology class we actually discussed if a same sex couple adopted my teacher said even if the parents sexuality do not affect the child the child will be effected by his peers around him.I.E being bullied for having two fathers or two mothers.

Okay, and? It's not different from the kids being bullied for other reasons. It's not a legitimate reason to block same sex marriage.

Alright true but how do you think that child would feel looking around seeing kids with a mom and dad calling them mommy or daddy.How will that child compansate for that loss of one parent is he supposed to call one guy daddy and the other mommy?

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Postby Bekitropolis » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:55 am

Nobody is physically or mentally harmed by the marriage of two men or two women. This is just like the big deal people used to make about interracial relationships with a white person marrying a black one. Honestly, does it matter? It isn't like they are forcing you to marry anyone. And would anyone like to understand what exactly is wrong with homosexuality, or any other facet of the LGBTQQIAA society, without bringing something as ridiculous as an outdated, mistranslated book on mythology into it? Please, I honestly want to understand what people find "queer" ( ;) ) about it.

And besides, this is actually a matter of gender rights, right? A man can marry a woman, but I can't because I'm female. My brother can marry a woman, but he can't marry a man because he was born male. This is sexism at its worst! What happened to gender equality huh?

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Postby Aghny » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:56 am

Azrael wrote:
Aghny wrote:
Not to mention you can still practice gender roles if your partner agrees to it. (not the extreme forms like execution for disobeying)

Saying that it should be required by law is stupid.

Women can wear suits and no one would bat an eye at them but the same wouldn't happen if I were to wear a dress.


I have worn a dress on more than one occasion, i could care less about what others think.

(In my case, it was for entertainment between friends)

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Postby Benuty » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:56 am

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Freiheit Reich wrote:Divorce rates are higher in the USA now versus the 1950s when there were less gay rights. Perhaps gay rights is one factor in this among many??

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:56 am

Condunum wrote:There's actually a charity organization near me called Meals on Wheels. Look them up sometime, they're pretty good. Basically, they're an organization that allows you to come in and cook food, and take some home. I find myself regularly donating to this organization, because they helped me greatly in the past. I'm saddened, because the branch in my county is shutting down because of lack of funding.


I didn't know the Meals on Wheels deal, but I'll check them out sometime.

And yea, such a service closing IS sad.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:56 am

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Norstal wrote:That's true. But so does their parents being any type of minority. Should we stop minorities from having children then?

Of course not that would be way to difficult to enforce.

...Are you saying you'd do it if it wasn't difficult?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:57 am

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Condunum wrote:Okay, and? It's not different from the kids being bullied for other reasons. It's not a legitimate reason to block same sex marriage.

Alright true but how do you think that child would feel looking around seeing kids with a mom and dad calling them mommy or daddy.How will that child compansate for that loss of one parent is he supposed to call one guy daddy and the other mommy?
The child does not need to compensate for the loss of one parent, since they have two already. The child can call them both Daddy. FFS
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Postby Condunum » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:57 am

The united imperial sector wrote:
Condunum wrote:Okay, and? It's not different from the kids being bullied for other reasons. It's not a legitimate reason to block same sex marriage.

Alright true but how do you think that child would feel looking around seeing kids with a mom and dad calling them mommy or daddy.How will that child compansate for that loss of one parent is he supposed to call one guy daddy and the other mommy?

Well, ask a child with two moms or dads. Guess what they'll probably say? This was not an issue for them. They grew up with two loving, accepting parents. While it might spark curiosity, I've no doubt they appreciate their parents and wouldn't want to trade them.
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