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Postby Divair » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:25 pm

Divair wrote:
Cosara wrote:I don't want the Federal Government ruling either way. I think Gay Marriage should be left to the states.

I'm assuming you believe the same about voting rights for women & slavery, right?

Still waiting for a response.

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Postby Lamaredia » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:25 pm

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Thafoo wrote:I'm sorry, but your views are invalid. Please try again.

They are my views, therefor are valid.


My views are that your views are invalid. Therefore, my views are valid and yours is invalid. Care to tell me why you are Anti Gay Adoption and Anti Gay Marriage? >:(
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:25 pm

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Thafoo wrote:I'm sorry, but your views are invalid. Please try again.

They are my views, therefor are valid.

Oh. This shit again.

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Postby Divair » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:26 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Cosara wrote:They are my views, therefor are valid.

Oh. This shit again.

So much for mature discussion.

Mature discussion. Not even once.

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Postby Cosara » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:27 pm

Thafoo wrote:
Cosara wrote:They are my views, therefor are valid.

..and gay marriage is wrong how

Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.
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Postby Herador » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:27 pm

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Thafoo wrote:I'm sorry, but your views are invalid. Please try again.

They are my views, therefor are valid.

Your opinion isn't a special delicate butterfly we have to respect and love and treat as sacred; you have a right to a dumb opinion, and we have the right to tear it apart.
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Postby Thafoo » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:28 pm

Cosara wrote:
Thafoo wrote:..and gay marriage is wrong how

Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.

You know what else happened for hundreds of years? Stoning adulterers. What's your point?

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Postby Menassa » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:28 pm

Cosara wrote:
Thafoo wrote:..and gay marriage is wrong how

Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.

Only hundreds of years... if we make that thousands we have polygamy... among other things.
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Postby Avenio » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:28 pm

Cosara wrote:
Thafoo wrote:..and gay marriage is wrong how

Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.


Voting rights are a pillar of our society, and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as only belonging to rich, land-owning white males with titles. Allowing women, the middle class, the poorm Orientals and the coloureds redefines this important part of society.
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Postby Divair » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:28 pm

Cosara wrote:Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.

Letting women vote was redefining voting. Banning slavery was redefining ownership of people. Get fucking real, just because we do something for a while doesn't mean it's right. Now that your fucking bullshit assumption that every society has marriage only between males & females. There are literally dozens of societies that had same sex marriage, if we're going to do this bullshit fallacy argument crap.

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Postby Silent Majority » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:29 pm

Cosara wrote:allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.


So what?

Even if it were true that there were no gay marriages historically, the "but we've always done it this way" argument is complete shit.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:29 pm

Cosara wrote:
Thafoo wrote:..and gay marriage is wrong how

Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.

Even if this were true, why would it be bad?

When we gave women suffrage, we were redefining an important part of our society.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:29 pm

Divair wrote:
Cosara wrote:Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.

Letting women vote was redefining voting. Banning slavery was redefining ownership of people. Get fucking real, just because we do something for a while doesn't mean it's right. Now that your fucking bullshit assumption that every society has marriage only between males & females. There are literally dozens of societies that had same sex marriage, if we're going to do this bullshit fallacy argument crap.


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Postby Nationalist Eminral Republic » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:29 pm

Cosara wrote:
Thafoo wrote:..and gay marriage is wrong how

Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.

The Old testament have polygamy.. So I guess we can let that go since it has been practiced a long time ago. :palm:
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Postby Divair » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:30 pm

Menassa wrote:
Cosara wrote:Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.

Only hundreds of years... if we make that thousands we have polygamy... among other things.

Or same sex marriage in many areas. Not that it fucking matters. If we all adopted the same stupid fucking attitude that he uses, we'd be a bunch of cavemen bashing each other over the head with clubs because "lol, we've been doing it forever, bro!" Not to mention that it's a bullshit argument that you can use to prevent any progress. Banning slavery, letting women vote, etc.

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Postby Herador » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:30 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Cosara wrote:Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.

Even if this were true, why would it be bad?

When we gave women suffrage, we were redefining an important part of our society.

Because women make babies, but the gay's are icky.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:31 pm

Nationalist Eminral Republic wrote:
Cosara wrote:Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.

The Old testament have polygamy.. So I guess we can let that go since it has been practiced a long time ago. :palm:

The Old Testament Laws were also not... given to the entire world.
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Postby Lamaredia » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:31 pm

Cosara wrote:
Thafoo wrote:..and gay marriage is wrong how

Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.


BULLSHIT

Show me some real facts. Marriage has existed for thousands of years, and have included polygamy and also previously homosexual marriages. Learn to history.
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Postby Quovis Celestis » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:31 pm

Cosara wrote:
Thafoo wrote:..and gay marriage is wrong how

Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.


Slavery was also a pillar of society for hundreds of years, we redefined that important part of society.

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Postby Divair » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:31 pm

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Divair wrote:I'm assuming you believe the same about voting rights for women & slavery, right?

Still waiting for a response.

Still waiting.

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Postby Thafoo » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:32 pm

Divair wrote:
Divair wrote:Still waiting for a response.

Still waiting.

As am I.

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Postby Disserbia » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:33 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Cosara wrote:Marriage is a pillar of society and for hundreds of years, it has been defined as between a man and a woman and allowing Gays and Lesbians to marry is redefining this important part of society.


BULLSHIT

Show me some real facts. Marriage has existed for thousands of years, and have included polygamy and also previously homosexual marriages. Learn to history.

What he is saying is not in fact bullshit, but it is somewhat ethno(religious)-centric and that doesn't mean that such traditions should stagnate while the rest of the world progresses.
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Postby Lamaredia » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:33 pm

Thafoo wrote:
Divair wrote:Still waiting.

As am I.

He seems to be incredibly tardy when it comes to responses in general.
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Postby Cosara » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:33 pm

Divair wrote:
Divair wrote:Still waiting for a response.

Still waiting.

You're just wasting your time.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:33 pm

Divair wrote:
Divair wrote:Still waiting for a response.

Still waiting.

No, you see, he retreated because of all the "hate."
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