Who is harmed by same-sex marriage?

[Slovenya]

Slovenya, please address this.

Apologies. Anyhow, then families that do not consist of biological mother and father are still parents.

Also, for the record and sake of debate, there's been studies that show that children raised in gay partnerships are just fine and that they will not suddenly grow up more gay or whatever.

I heard that before and it is interesting and I will want to read it one time when I have nothing to do and is not so late

[Condunum]

Yeah fuck your opinion, sorry. I'm not having my rights stripped because you think it's bad for the child when it's obviously not.

first of all you should not be vulgar about it. If you dont like my opinion then ok....in America you can do it if you want to, so be happy

I'll be vulgar when damn please. As long as there are asshats like you who think they can get away with imposing their religion on us, I will be as vulgar as is necessary to get my point across. As long as there are nutters who think that they're in the right when they tell me I cannot adopt with a same sex partner, I'll be as vulgar as I need to be. How vulgar is that? Fuck your opinion. Fuck it real, real good.

[Liriena]

Which means you live in a country in which both mainstream presidential candidates officially back LGBT rights to some degree.

Ouch.

I find it hilarious that Americans aren't picking up on this and ridiculing the US political system for not being as progressive as Venezuela. I mean, seriously, we're getting our asses beat in progressiveness by a nation that has a smaller GDP, population, and less land than us. That's sad.

Not to mention a nation currently illegally ruled by a superstitious, paranoid, Alex Jones-wannabe.

[Agymnum]

Wait, I'm confused. Is it your belief that single people CANNOT (as in are physically incapable of) take care of a child? Or are you saying that single people SHOULD NOT (in your opinion) take care of a child?

The two are completely different beliefs. One is pure hogwash, the other is an opinion (though offensive and ignorant).

i think that single person can take care of a child yes of course, but i dont think they should be allowed to adopt. But its still better of course for an orphan who can nobody to have at least one parent

See the problem with your belief is that your belief hurts people.

If you perceive that single people should not be allowed to adopt, and a vote is put up on a referendum whether to allow single parent adoptions, your beliefs hurt other people because they deprive them of their rights.

Our beliefs, as the supporters of same-sex marriage and adoption, do not hurt anyone.

[Liriena]

first of all you should not be vulgar about it. If you dont like my opinion then ok....in America you can do it if you want to, so be happy

I'll be vulgar when damn please. As long as there are asshats like you who think they can get away with imposing their religion on us, I will be as vulgar as is necessary to get my point across. As long as there are nutters who think that they're in the right when they tell me I cannot adopt with a same sex partner, I'll be as vulgar as I need to be. How vulgar is that? Fuck your opinion. Fuck it real, real good.

Condy-love, I don't think that's kosher.

[Slovenya]

first of all you should not be vulgar about it. If you dont like my opinion then ok....in America you can do it if you want to, so be happy

I'll be vulgar when damn please. As long as there are asshats like you who think they can get away with imposing their religion on us, I will be as vulgar as is necessary to get my point across. As long as there are nutters who think that they're in the right when they tell me I cannot adopt with a same sex partner, I'll be as vulgar as I need to be. How vulgar is that? Fuck your opinion. Fuck it real, real good.[/quote]

ok very good

[Agymnum]

I'll be vulgar when damn please. As long as there are asshats like you who think they can get away with imposing their religion on us, I will be as vulgar as is necessary to get my point across. As long as there are nutters who think that they're in the right when they tell me I cannot adopt with a same sex partner, I'll be as vulgar as I need to be. How vulgar is that? Fuck your opinion. Fuck it real, real good.

Condy-love, I don't think that's kosher.

Depends on whether he's insulting the poster or the poster's opinion. From what I've seen, he's only insulting her opinion and thus that doesn't constitute anything actionable.

At least, I don't think it does.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Which means you live in a country in which both mainstream presidential candidates officially back LGBT rights to some degree.

Ouch.

Well, to be honest most of us Latin Americans (I am from El Salvador) still believe in gender roles and we accept them as part of our culture and we're somewhat iffy about homosexuality (I don't mind being hit on by another guy, but I would rather not sleep with him because I am heterosexual).

I don't think imposing my beliefs on others is right, but I also have my own system of beliefs and ethics.

[Evraim]

No, someone else said the Bible didn't support something which it did.

I understand. Men, how am I supposed to lovingly troll you if you never comprehend my intentions?

I find it hilarious that Americans aren't picking up on this and ridiculing the US political system for not being as progressive as Venezuela. I mean, seriously, we're getting our asses beat in progressiveness by a nation that has a smaller GDP, population, and less land than us. That's sad.

Venezuela has more enough to counteract the progressiveness of its policies towards same-sex marriage.

[Condunum]

I'll be vulgar when damn please. As long as there are asshats like you who think they can get away with imposing their religion on us, I will be as vulgar as is necessary to get my point across. As long as there are nutters who think that they're in the right when they tell me I cannot adopt with a same sex partner, I'll be as vulgar as I need to be. How vulgar is that? Fuck your opinion. Fuck it real, real good.

Condy-love, I don't think that's kosher.

To be honest, I've stopped caring. It's been two years since I started posting here, and in that time I have not gotten a single warning. I think I've played it safe for too long, sometimes I really just need to rage at stupid ideas.

[Slovenya]

See the problem with your belief is that your belief hurts people.

If you perceive that single people should not be allowed to adopt, and a vote is put up on a referendum whether to allow single parent adoptions, your beliefs hurt other people because they deprive them of their rights.

Our beliefs, as the supporters of same-sex marriage and adoption, do not hurt anyone.

I see what you mean but the truth is i dont think this will every come up for a vote. and also like i said before, if no one adopts an orphan than yes, they need somebody even a single parent is good, or a single person

[Agymnum]

I see what you mean but the truth is i dont think this will every come up for a vote. and also like i said before, if no one adopts an orphan than yes, they need somebody even a single parent is good, or a single person

My job as a good human being is to dispel myth and promote reason and logic. Your belief that single parent adoption (if it isn't a last resort) is somehow inferior to two-parent adoption is based upon ignorance and thus it is my job to dispel it.

It's nothing against you personally. It's just that if I let you get away with thinking that your belief is okay, that will shape you in ways that might be detrimental to the success of liberalism, freedom, and equality. That I cannot allow.

[Slovenya]

Well, to be honest most of us Latin Americans (I am from El Salvador) still believe in gender roles and we accept them as part of our culture and we're somewhat iffy about homosexuality (I don't mind being hit on by another guy, but I would rather not sleep with him because I am heterosexual).

I don't think imposing my beliefs on others is right, but I also have my own system of beliefs and ethics.

ya this is true, here they dont like gay people too much, but i have had girls flirt with me, and i dont hate them for it. even my family is divided on the topic, my muslim european family is against it, but others are 100% in favor of it. I think the discussion is ok as long as no one starts to fight

[Hver]

I honestly don't care what consenting individuals do, even polgamy and polyandry. My only problem is giving certain person special rights, via hate crime laws and the like. I also believe that businesses and churches have a freedom to disassociate themesleves from things they don't like. Honestly, deregulate LEGAL marriage and let the church decide the rest. If someone want to marry, incorporate. The original reason for LEGAL marriages (the contract) was to ban interracial marriages. I believe no self respecting liberal or conservative can support that. Laissez Faire!

[Individuality-ness]

Apologies. Anyhow, then families that do not consist of biological mother and father are still parents.

Also, for the record and sake of debate, there's been studies that show that children raised in gay partnerships are just fine and that they will not suddenly grow up more gay or whatever.

I heard that before and it is interesting and I will want to read it one time when I have nothing to do and is not so late

Well, that particular study shows that it's perfectly fine. So gay couples are not any less of parents as heterosexual couples.

[Neutraligon]

I honestly don't care what consenting individuals do, even polgamy and polyandry. My only problem is giving certain person special rights, via hate crime laws and the like. I also believe that businesses and churches have a freedom to disassociate themesleves from things they don't like. Honestly, deregulate LEGAL marriage and let the church decide the rest. If someone want to marry, incorporate. The original reason for LEGAL marriages (the contract) was to ban interracial marriages. I believe no self respecting liberal or conservative can support that. Laissez Faire!

Marriage existed before there was even the thought of interracial marriage.

[Agymnum]

I honestly don't care what consenting individuals do, even polgamy and polyandry. My only problem is giving certain person special rights, via hate crime laws and the like. I also believe that businesses and churches have a freedom to disassociate themesleves from things they don't like. Honestly, deregulate LEGAL marriage and let the church decide the rest. If someone want to marry, incorporate. The original reason for LEGAL marriages (the contract) was to ban interracial marriages. I believe no self respecting liberal or conservative can support that. Laissez Faire!

Yeah, no. The government needs to intervene sometimes, in the interest of promoting equality and freedom for minorities in the face of majority oppression, and this is one of those times. Laissez-faire is just another way of saying, "I'm too lazy to do anything". That's not flying this time around.

[Norstal]

Could you point out an accurate translation of the passages for which homosexuality is a sin? The one I could find had to do with Sodom and Gomorrah, which seems to be a misinterpretation of the Torah.

لُوطًا إِذۡ قَالَ لِقَوۡمِهِۦۤ أَتَأۡتُونَ ٱلۡفَـٰحِشَةَ مَا سَبَقَكُم بِہَا مِنۡ أَحَدٍ۬ مِّنَ ٱلۡعَـٰلَمِينَ (٨٠) إِنَّڪُمۡ لَتَأۡتُونَ ٱلرِّجَالَ شَہۡوَةً۬ مِّن دُونِ ٱلنِّسَآءِ‌ۚ بَلۡ أَنتُمۡ قَوۡمٌ۬ مُّسۡرِفُونَ (٨١)

We also (sent) Lut: he said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? (80) "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds." (81)

So, not only are you stealing culture from the Jews, but you also misinterpret it as well.

Unbelievable. No wonder Jews are pissed all the time.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, to be honest most of us Latin Americans (I am from El Salvador) still believe in gender roles and we accept them as part of our culture and we're somewhat iffy about homosexuality (I don't mind being hit on by another guy, but I would rather not sleep with him because I am heterosexual).

I don't think imposing my beliefs on others is right, but I also have my own system of beliefs and ethics.

ya this is true, here they dont like gay people too much, but i have had girls flirt with me, and i dont hate them for it. even my family is divided on the topic, my muslim european family is against it, but others are 100% in favor of it. I think the discussion is ok as long as no one starts to fight

My family is also quite divided: my extended family from El Salvador who live there thinks is a stupid idea to let gay people marry, whereas most of us here in the US think it's alright, that they should be able to live their lives.

And I agree, people shouldn't be fighting on such a delicate issue but hey, welcome to NS

[Evraim]

So, not only are you stealing culture from the Jews, but you also misinterpret it as well.

Unbelievable. No wonder Jews are pissed all the time.

Am I?

[Slovenya]

So, not only are you stealing culture from the Jews, but you also misinterpret it as well.

Unbelievable. No wonder Jews are pissed all the time.

it would be stealing from the jews if we believed exactly all that they believe...not true. In Islam we are tought that Jews and Christians had the same belief but over time the message was corrpted, so the final Prophet Muhammad came to preseve the original message of God hope that helps

[Agymnum]

So, not only are you stealing culture from the Jews, but you also misinterpret it as well.

Unbelievable. No wonder Jews are pissed all the time.

Am I?

Well, think about it...

You invent the basis for Christianity, then get decried as the people who killed Jesus and deemed as evil.

You get insulted for several centuries in Europe, culminating with Adolf Hitler's attempts to wipe you out.

And now, Jews are being told by Christians what their scripture means. I mean, Christians don't think Jews can interpret their own scripture well enough, so they apparently intervene to give them the "right" interpretation.

[Slovenya]

My family is also quite divided: my extended family from El Salvador who live there thinks is a stupid idea to let gay people marry, whereas most of us here in the US think it's alright, that they should be able to live their lives.

And I agree, people shouldn't be fighting on such a delicate issue but hey, welcome to NS

I will agree i think homosexual people sould live their lives peacefully....I do not agree with it, but they should not be harm to them or anything, i just think marrying and having children is not ok...but like i said before, anyone can have what belief they want

[Norstal]

So, not only are you stealing culture from the Jews, but you also misinterpret it as well.

Unbelievable. No wonder Jews are pissed all the time.

Am I?

You're worshiping the Jewish God, yet you trample and desecrate His words by redefining it in your own twisted ways. If that's not stealing culture, I don't know what is.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I will agree i think homosexual people sould live their lives peacefully....I do not agree with it, but they should not be harm to them or anything, i just think marrying and having children is not ok...but like i said before, anyone can have what belief they want

Yea, I mean, nobody is saying that we should necessarily agree to it (as in, us being with a person of the same sex), but although you don't agree to it you seem to be very acceptant of it. However, I do think they should be allowed to marry because allowing them to marry causes no wrong either. I mean, their marriage is not going to change my opinion about who I should marry.