Who is harmed by same-sex marriage?

[Menassa]

And this is the same Lot from the Bible?

Sodom wasn't punished by homosexuality, if you believe Ezekiel.

Yeah same Lot.

Sodom was not destroyed because of homosexuality.

[Evraim]

Until Reb Gershon nixed it... but he was only Ashkenazic.

Are you a supporter of polygamy, Men?

[Agymnum]

Yeah same Lot.

Sodom was not destroyed because of homosexuality.

It's fascinating to see my entire Christian childhood unraveled before my very eyes by someone who is far more a fervent believer than I ever was. Simply fascinating.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

1-if you look at most of our laws, the basic ones, it is all basically the 10 commandments, it is a guide for humans.

2- well when we are young we are taught how to be mothers and i never ever seen a guy or a father who knows better than a mother does. We give birth to a baby so we are first line of protection for a baby

3- am not a abhor person, and those people will adopt if they wish, there are plenty of orphans....but of course should be husband and wife to adopt

1 - You're preaching to the choir there. I already know or believe most basic laws and morality follow the Ten Commandments.

2 - I know, as someone who comes from a quite moderate family in that regard I will admit women have the upper hand on certain things, and that one of them is childcare (as much as women say "NO THAT IS NOT TRUE! GENDER ROLES ARE NOT TRUE!" it is, women are better at certain things than men are, and I'm not really ashamed to say it); what I am saying is that also women can be quite cruel to their children and leave much to be desired of their maternal instincts when you compare them to a father. It doesn't mean this is the general case, but it does happen quite often.

3 - Ok, at least you're not the kind of fundamental naturalist

[Ainin]

Who thinks they are hurt by it? The Republicans, the far right, the WBC, FOX News, several American conservatives, most people in the Bible Belt

Who are actually hurt by it? No one.

[Evraim]

Sodom was not destroyed because of homosexuality.

It's fascinating to see my entire Christian childhood unraveled before my very eyes by someone who is far more a fervent believer than I ever was. Simply fascinating.

Jews will do that to people. Especially, Menassa. I think it's a secret hobby of his.

Who thinks they are hurt by it? The Republicans, the far right, the WBC, FOX News, several American conservatives, most people in the Bible Belt

Who are actually hurt by it? No one.

I'm a right-wing Republican... I see no problem with same-sex marriage.

[Slovenya]

just realized I mistyped single parent when I meant single person. If I adopt a kid (not anytime soon), I'll be a single parent.

my opinion is that a child should be entitle to have both parents, yes, a mother and also a father. so no, not a single person can adopt I dont think. BUT you can have your own opinions is fine

[Liriena]

1 - And since when Christianity is the pinnacle of civilization? I mean we have Buddhism, Islam, atheism, deism, agnosticism, and yet they are good people with grounded, pacifist morals (except for the loons out there) so how is not following our doctrine barbaric?

2 - Yes, that is what I meant. And no, women are not born with a capacity to be maternal. In fact, men can also be maternal and caring as much as a woman and women can also be leaders at the house and do things a man can do, including being cold and emotionless towards their children. The fact that you think gender roles are absolute tells me of your extremely narrow viewpoint.

3 - To Abhor (verb): to regard with extreme repugnance or aversion; detest utterly; loathe; abominate. That being said, again, do you abhor people who are sterile and cannot conceive?

1-if you look at most of our laws, the basic ones, it is all basically the 10 commandments, it is a guide for humans.

2- well when we are young we are taught how to be mothers and i never ever seen a guy or a father who knows better than a mother does. We give birth to a baby so we are first line of protection for a baby

3- am not a abhor person, and those people will adopt if they wish, there are plenty of orphans....but of course should be husband and wife to adopt

1) Don't take us for idiots, please. No law in any Western nation bans children being disrespectful towards their parents. No law in any Western nation bans working on the Sabbath or worshipping other deities. And no law in any Western nation convicts us for feeling envious.

2) Again, reality refutes you. Practically all decent studies conducted so far agree that having two parents of the same gender is inherently the same as having two parents of opposite genders. What matters is individual responsibility and love for the children, not gender.

3) Oh, please!

[Individuality-ness]

He still hasn't told me how single parents are any less of parents.

First of all, am not a guy im a girl, second of all Im sorry if i left single parents out, and i know it exists. Its not their fault but they can raise children too...so they are not any less parents

Apologies. Anyhow, then families that do not consist of biological mother and father are still parents.

Also, for the record and sake of debate, there's been studies that show that children raised in gay partnerships are just fine and that they will not suddenly grow up more gay or whatever.

[Menassa]

Sodom was not destroyed because of homosexuality.

It's fascinating to see my entire Christian childhood unraveled before my very eyes by someone who is far more a fervent believer than I ever was. Simply fascinating.

That's literally in the Bible, Old Testament, straight up.

Until Reb Gershon nixed it... but he was only Ashkenazic.

Are you a supporter of polygamy, Men?

Not since I support the Rabbis.

[Agymnum]

just realized I mistyped single parent when I meant single person. If I adopt a kid (not anytime soon), I'll be a single parent.

my opinion is that a child should be entitle to have both parents, yes, a mother and also a father. so no, not a single person can adopt I dont think. BUT you can have your own opinions is fine

Wait, I'm confused. Is it your belief that single people CANNOT (as in are physically incapable of) take care of a child? Or are you saying that single people SHOULD NOT (in your opinion) take care of a child?

The two are completely different beliefs. One is pure hogwash, the other is an opinion (though offensive and ignorant).

[Neutraligon]

Slovenya, quick question but where are you from?

[Liriena]

And this is the same Lot from the Bible?

Sodom wasn't punished by homosexuality, if you believe Ezekiel.

ya is the same prophet, Lut is Lot, and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah exist in the Quran too

And your Prophet, just like medieval Christians scholars, misinterpretated the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah as a fable on the evil of homosexuality. If you actually asked a rabbi, he would most likely tell you that Sodom and Gomorrah's sin was not homosexuality.

[Neutraligon]

my opinion is that a child should be entitle to have both parents, yes, a mother and also a father. so no, not a single person can adopt I dont think. BUT you can have your own opinions is fine

Wait, I'm confused. Is it your belief that single people CANNOT (as in are physically incapable of) take care of a child? Or are you saying that single people SHOULD NOT (in your opinion) take care of a child?

The two are completely different beliefs. One is pure hogwash, the other is an opinion (though offensive and ignorant).

I'm pretty sure she was saying that single people should not be allowed to adopt.

[Evraim]

Not since I support the Rabbis.

The language you used seemed to suggest otherwise in this instance. A Freudian slip, perhaps?

[Slovenya]

Wait, I'm confused. Is it your belief that single people CANNOT (as in are physically incapable of) take care of a child? Or are you saying that single people SHOULD NOT (in your opinion) take care of a child?

The two are completely different beliefs. One is pure hogwash, the other is an opinion (though offensive and ignorant).

i think that single person can take care of a child yes of course, but i dont think they should be allowed to adopt. But its still better of course for an orphan who can nobody to have at least one parent

[Menassa]

ya is the same prophet, Lut is Lot, and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah exist in the Quran too

And your Prophet, just like medieval Christians scholars, misinterpretated the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah as a fable on the evil of homosexuality. If you actually asked a rabbi, he would most likely tell you that Sodom and Gomorrah's sin was not homosexuality.

Or Ezekiel.... he would also tell you that.

[Condunum]

just realized I mistyped single parent when I meant single person. If I adopt a kid (not anytime soon), I'll be a single parent.

my opinion is that a child should be entitle to have both parents, yes, a mother and also a father. so no, not a single person can adopt I dont think. BUT you can have your own opinions is fine

Yeah fuck your opinion, sorry. I'm not having my rights stripped because you think it's bad for the child when it's obviously not.

[Slovenya]

Slovenya, quick question but where are you from?

Venezuela

[Menassa]

Not since I support the Rabbis.

The language you used seemed to suggest otherwise in this instance. A Freudian slip, perhaps?

No, someone else said the Bible didn't support something which it did.

[Slovenya]

Yeah fuck your opinion, sorry. I'm not having my rights stripped because you think it's bad for the child when it's obviously not.

first of all you should not be vulgar about it. If you dont like my opinion then ok....in America you can do it if you want to, so be happy

[Individuality-ness]

Slovenya, please address this.

First of all, am not a guy im a girl, second of all Im sorry if i left single parents out, and i know it exists. Its not their fault but they can raise children too...so they are not any less parents

Apologies. Anyhow, then families that do not consist of biological mother and father are still parents.

Also, for the record and sake of debate, there's been studies that show that children raised in gay partnerships are just fine and that they will not suddenly grow up more gay or whatever.

[Liriena]

Slovenya, quick question but where are you from?

Venezuela

Which means you live in a country in which both mainstream presidential candidates officially back LGBT rights to some degree.

Ouch.

[Slovenya]

Venezuela

Which means you live in a country in which both mainstream presidential candidates officially back LGBT rights to some degree.

Ouch.

Ya they can back who they want to, its called free will...but people like me can still say what they think also

[Agymnum]

Venezuela

Which means you live in a country in which both mainstream presidential candidates officially back LGBT rights to some degree.

Ouch.

I find it hilarious that Americans aren't picking up on this and ridiculing the US political system for not being as progressive as Venezuela. I mean, seriously, we're getting our asses beat in progressiveness by a nation that has a smaller GDP, population, and less land than us. That's sad.