All Abortion Illegal in North Dakota

[Ceannairceach]

Abortion is not illegal, and thus doesn't constitute murder.

Slavery wasn't illegal, too, up until a few hundred years ago. Same went for putting Jews into concentration camps. Don't pull the "if not illegal, then not a crime" card on me. Just as slavery is wrong and genocide is wrong, so is abortion.

Oh and, I am sorry, but abortion is illegal now, at least in North Dakota, therefore its a crime under the law. Same goes for Ireland and several other countries.

Except that slavery and genocide are nothing like abortion. At all. But yeah, slavery wasn't a crime until it was illegalized, and neither was, in technicality, genocide until the United Nations. But that's neither here nor there.

It isn't even a crime in North Dakota yet. And it won't be. It will just in effect be considered a crime. And we're talking about America here, not Ireland or any other country.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Oh! I see my mistake, sorry XD!!!!!

I meant to say I am PRO-ABORTION! not anti-abortion.

Sorry, sometimes I type too fast

Yay! Although the correct wording is pro choice, as pro abortion implies that you are in favor of arbitrarily aborting fetuses whose mothers want to have them, which is one argument that pro life supporters use to attempt to smear people who are pro choice

Noted and no I don't think that extreme either in the debate

[Fintanland]

I have made MANY arguments, but you always circle around and say

"Fetuses are just worthless sack of cell parasites that have no right to exist and should be brutally murdered."

Except nobody is saying that. "worthless"? "sack"? "should"? "brutally"? "murdered"? Those are all your own words.

[Ceannairceach]

Yeah, you've officially run out of arguments and started to insult the posters. Good job.

I have made MANY arguments, but you always circle around and say

"Fetuses are just worthless sack of cell parasites that have no right to exist and should be brutally murdered."

Murder implies illegality. Which it isn't. So the correct term is "terminated."

[Kengburg]

Logic and Science. That is what's wrong with us.

Science says that fetuses are alive. Science and Logic are what you are fighting.

Ameoba are alive, Plants are alive, The flu is alive, ants are alive, does that make them sentient? Or persons at that? Alive and Sentient are very, very, different.

[Asperia]

Science says that fetuses are alive. Science and Logic are what you are fighting.

Tumors are also alive. I don't see anyone lobbying to save the lives of innocent tumors. You should go out and spread the word that these innocent cells must be protected.

Tumors do not become full humans (you and I) over the course of time. Before that time has passed, however...

[Atnae]

Yeah, you've officially run out of arguments and started to insult the posters. Good job.

I have made MANY arguments, but you always circle around and say

"Fetuses are just worthless sack of cell parasites that have no right to exist and should be brutally murdered."

As far as I've seen, we've met the arguments head on. I can make many arguments that a teapot is orbiting Pluto, it doesn't make them any more valid.

[Farnhamia]

Yeah, you've officially run out of arguments and started to insult the posters. Good job.

I have made MANY arguments, but you always circle around and say

"Fetuses are just worthless sack of cell parasites that have no right to exist and should be brutally murdered."

Not murder. You really want to stop now. Look at it this way, if you agree that the government can tell me I have to have my rapist's child, you can't argue that taxes are theft or that the government cannot ban firearms. Both of those pale in comparison to you voting away my bodily sovereignty.

[Lunalia]

Tumors are also alive. I don't see anyone lobbying to save the lives of innocent tumors. You should go out and spread the word that these innocent cells must be protected.

Tumors do not become full humans (you and I) over the course of time. Before that time has passed, however...

Actually, fetuses can turn into tumors!

And I ask you, does a fetus have a right to torture a human being?

[Cosara]

I have made MANY arguments, but you always circle around and say

"Fetuses are just worthless sack of cell parasites that have no right to exist and should be brutally murdered."

Except nobody is saying that. "worthless"? "sack"? "should"? "brutally"? "murdered"? Those are all your own words.

You have repeatedly said that fetuses are just sack of cell parasites and the mothers should have the right to play god and decide if they want the child growing inside of them to have a life, or if she should just say "No life for you." and take the fetus's life before it even begins.

[Benuty]

No it isn't. How will the state deal with fetuses that are a threat to the mother?

Prayer.

Does ND even have any practicing abortionists in it? I could swear I'd read somewhere that North Dakotans wanting an abortion had to go out of state to get it ... could be wrong or outdated, of course.

And hell, why do you need two Dakotas anyway? You've got a spare, you can sell this one to the Chinese.

Considering the state has one of the lowest crime rates and is an earthquake-tornado free zone sell south Dakota. We'll need ND for the nuclear apocalypse.

[Ujh Uhj]

Wait. Men, legislating on women's bodies? Oh, the hypocrisy and misogyny. It hurts!

[Zweite Alaje]

North Dakota has just become the most righteous state in the Union, they deserve a salute.

[Fintanland]

You have repeatedly said that fetuses are just sack of cell parasites and the mothers should have the right to play god and decide if they want the child growing inside of them to have a life, or if she should just say "No life for you." and take the fetus's life before it even begins.

First of all, its life already had begun. You are arguing that point, remember?
Second, yes, we want to give women the RIGHT to choose that. Nothing about "worthless", or that it "should" happen, or that it should happen "brutally".

[Cosara]

Wait. Men, legislating on women's bodies? Oh, the hypocrisy and misogyny. It hurts!

These men are sensible people who know that life is prescious and should be protected.

[Ceannairceach]

North Dakota has just become the most righteous state in the Union, they deserve a salute.

I think some German folks had one that might apply aptly.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Actually, fetuses can turn into tumors!

And I ask you, does a fetus have a right to torture a human being?

she is absolutely right!

[Ceannairceach]

Wait. Men, legislating on women's bodies? Oh, the hypocrisy and misogyny. It hurts!

These men are sensible people who know that life is prescious and should be protected.

These men will never have to worry about carrying a baby they don't want to term.

[Carpathia and Moldova]

Except that slavery and genocide are nothing like abortion. At all. But yeah, slavery wasn't a crime until it was illegalized, and neither was, in technicality, genocide until the United Nations. But that's neither here nor there.

It isn't even a crime in North Dakota yet. And it won't be. It will just in effect be considered a crime. And we're talking about America here, not Ireland or any other country.

Yes, its the same thing. I hear you pro-choice people ranting on about women's rights, but what about the child? Look, tell you what. I am a "got a little drunk" child. My mother wanted to have an abortion and I will never forgive her for that. In fact, I am ashamed to call her "mother". Why? Because she wanted to kill me.

Oh and I am sure mine isn't the only case like this on NS.

[Atnae]

Wait. Men, legislating on women's bodies? Oh, the hypocrisy and misogyny. It hurts!

These men are sensible people who know that life is prescious and should be protected.

Those men are people who will never be pregnant. I'm a bloke, I'm fucking glad I'm not female, what with all the shit their bodies throw at them before...Well I guess I just ask the question again. What about rape?

[Fintanland]

These men are sensible people who know that life is prescious and should be protected.

Except of course the life of those who are born. Once they are born (often into poverty - abortion is often for economic reasons), they are on their own!

[Asperia]

Tumors do not become full humans (you and I) over the course of time. Before that time has passed, however...

Actually, fetuses can turn into tumors!

And I ask you, does a fetus have a right to torture a human being?

If they are simply torturing human beings, they would all be killed. Yay annihilation of the human race. It's really a non-issue.

[Farnhamia]

These men are sensible people who know that life is prescious and should be protected.

These men will never have to worry about carrying a baby they don't want to term.

If men were the ones who became pregnant abortion would be available everywhere, on demand, and contraceptives would be dispensed free on street corners.

[Xsyne]

North Dakota has just become the most righteous state in the Union, they deserve a salute.

"The workers should control the means of production."

"Unless they're bitches."

[Fintanland]

If they are simply torturing human beings, they would all be killed. Yay annihilation of the human race. It's really a non-issue.

They ARE all torturing a human being. Only in most cases, that human being takes it as a price to pay for something she wants, i.e. a child.