All Abortion Illegal in North Dakota

[Fintanland]

Its still human. It has 46 chromosomes and is developing.

Every single cell inside you, except for the germ cells, also has 46 chromosomes and a human genome. Why are you so obliged to some but not the other?

[Individuality-ness]

Shall I wear the pink shackes to the hospital bed?

If you consented to the action which brought forth life, then be my guest.

Consent to sex is just consent to sex dear.

[Ceannairceach]

I'm agreeing with your argument. The mother should give up custody. Via abortion. To god. It's rather ingenious, I think.

It also ignores the fact that murder is immoral and illegal.

Which abortion isn't.

[Carpathia and Moldova]

Driving drunk is a crime. Getting pregnant accidentally isn't, or at least, shouldn't be. I do get the impression that some people here think it is, morally, anyway.

Getting pregnant isn't a crime. Killing the baby is. Its called First Degree Murder. Maybe its not the mother's fault for getting pregnant, but its not the child's either.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

how come is it that I'm against abortion and I have empirical proof coming from a country with a ban on abortions,and I know why is it a bad idea and these fundamentalists are not even capable of seeing it?!

Because your proof that it is a bad idea is based upon flawed studies which give the impression that adoption is a feasible solution and does not result in most children put up for adoption suffering horribly. I personally equate having a child unwillingly to torture, potentially for the child as well as the mother if the child is not adopted, and the odds of a child not being adopted are perishingly slim. Abortion before the fetus is capable of feeling anything is more ethical than torture. Torture is illegal, by the way.

Oh! I see my mistake, sorry XD!!!!!

I meant to say I am PRO-ABORTION! not anti-abortion.

Sorry, sometimes I type too fast

[Xsyne]

So depriving someone of oxygen, then stabbing them, is just mercy killing because they were going to die of asphyxiation anyways?

All of that happens only in very late term abortions. Intact dilation and extraction is banned, so anyone who performed an abortion by stabbing after birth would be punished.

It is completely impossible to perform an abortion by stabbing after birth, for one very simple reason.

[Ceannairceach]

Sex to consent does not equal pregnancy to consent. It's been said so many times now I even reversed the wording to make it more interesting.

yes it does.

No, it doesn't, Vazzy.

[Fintanland]

Getting pregnant isn't a crime. Killing the baby is. Its called First Degree Murder. Maybe its not the mother's fault for getting pregnant, but its not the child's either.

Removing someone from my property is murder now?

[Auralia]

So depriving someone of oxygen, then stabbing them, is just mercy killing because they were going to die of asphyxiation anyways?

All of that happens only in very late term abortions. Intact dilation and extraction is banned, so anyone who performed an abortion by stabbing after birth would be punished.

The point wasn't to make a direct analogy with abortion, it was to demonstrate that placing someone in a situation where death is near guaranteed is tantamount to murder.

[Cosara]

What? Believing that a life should be protected at every stage of it's development is now all of a sudden tyranny? Oh my sweet cheese and rice; the Liberalism is killing me.

there is no freedom without reproductive freedom

That is like saying that there is no internet without YouTube

[Kengburg]

Consented to childbirth =/= Having protected sex

yea? and?
Who cares if they had 'protected sex' or not?

Protected sex is penetrating a female with the goal of having sex without producing a fetus, consenting to childbirth is penetrating a female with the goal of having sex and producing a fetus. By having protected sex, the female is only consenting to the sex part.

[Ceannairceach]

Driving drunk is a crime. Getting pregnant accidentally isn't, or at least, shouldn't be. I do get the impression that some people here think it is, morally, anyway.

Getting pregnant isn't a crime. Killing the baby is. Its called First Degree Murder. Maybe its not the mother's fault for getting pregnant, but its not the child's either.

Abortion is not illegal, and thus doesn't constitute murder.

[Geilinor]

What part of "nonsentient, nonsapient" did you have trouble with?

It has 46 chromosomes and is developing.

Yes, like any cell on my body.

[Vazdania]

Its still human. It has 46 chromosomes and is developing.

Every single cell inside you, except for the germ cells, also has 46 chromosomes and a human genome. Why are you so obliged to some but not the other?

Its clear that a human comes from another human, you don't just pop out this tumorous thing that looks like a human. That thing was developed from the action of two people who consented to sex.
I am obligated to a fetus, because its human, and will develop into a sentient being within less than a year.

[Enadail]

Driving drunk is a crime. Getting pregnant accidentally isn't, or at least, shouldn't be. I do get the impression that some people here think it is, morally, anyway.

Getting pregnant isn't a crime. Killing the baby is. Its called First Degree Murder. Maybe its not the mother's fault for getting pregnant, but its not the child's either.

Murder is a legal term. Abortions are in no way murder. Portraying it as such is just appeal to emotion and is wrong.

[Auralia]

It also ignores the fact that murder is immoral and illegal.

Which abortion isn't.

Abortion is the killing of a human being.

[Farnhamia]

Driving drunk is a crime. Getting pregnant accidentally isn't, or at least, shouldn't be. I do get the impression that some people here think it is, morally, anyway.

Getting pregnant isn't a crime. Killing the baby is. Its called First Degree Murder. Maybe its not the mother's fault for getting pregnant, but its not the child's either.

No babies are killed and abortion isn't a crime, except maybe in North Dakota.

[Vazdania]

It has 46 chromosomes and is developing.

Yes, like any cell on my body.

will your cells be sentient in less than a year?

[Ashmoria]

how come is it that I'm against abortion and I have empirical proof coming from a country with a ban on abortions,and I know why is it a bad idea and these fundamentalists are not even capable of seeing it?!

because they haven't lived in a country where women are forced to stay pregnant.

they don't even know that legal abortion and contraception has been a boon in their own lives.

[Ceannairceach]

Which abortion isn't.

Abortion is the killing of a human being.

That isn't murder. Murder is the illegal killing of a person with malice afterthought. Abortion isn't illegal, fetuses aren't people, and there is very rarely malice involved.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Which abortion isn't.

Abortion is the killing of a human being.

Banning abortions is a fucking bad idea!

[Atnae]

Because your proof that it is a bad idea is based upon flawed studies which give the impression that adoption is a feasible solution and does not result in most children put up for adoption suffering horribly. I personally equate having a child unwillingly to torture, potentially for the child as well as the mother if the child is not adopted, and the odds of a child not being adopted are perishingly slim. Abortion before the fetus is capable of feeling anything is more ethical than torture. Torture is illegal, by the way.

Oh! I see my mistake, sorry XD!!!!!

I meant to say I am PRO-ABORTION! not anti-abortion.

Sorry, sometimes I type too fast

Damn it, I read it as pro abortion the first time, went back to change my post, only to find that I'd got it right in the first place

[Geilinor]

All of that happens only in very late term abortions. Intact dilation and extraction is banned, so anyone who performed an abortion by stabbing after birth would be punished.

The point wasn't to make a direct analogy with abortion, it was to demonstrate that placing someone in a situation where death is near guaranteed is tantamount to murder.

A completely different situation. A fetus before about 20 weeks won't suffer like a fully developed person would if they were deprived of oxygen and stabbed.

[Vazdania]

yes it does.

No, it doesn't, Vazzy.

yes it does Ceanny

[Asperia]

The female gender evolved to incubate babies. That kind of evolution is useless now, but still, it wasn't a role imposed by society, but an evolutionary trait.

Even if that were true, the male "evolved to be" an inseminator. Yay forced semen donations?

Yes, masculinity in its purest sense means that the male inseminates the female. I am nowhere suggesting that it should be forced. It's simply the only way to make more humans, unless you're considering stopping reproduction altogether.