All Abortion Illegal in North Dakota

[Farnhamia]

In exchange for enslaving women to nonsentient, nonsapient beings.

That are still human.

What part of "nonsentient, nonsapient" did you have trouble with?

[Auralia]

That's not a response to my argument.

No, its a solution to a problem.

It's nonsensical, and demonstrates that you cannot refute my argument.

[Vazdania]

Its not slavery. It gives person-hood to embryos!

Shall I wear the pink shackes to the hospital bed?

If you consented to the action which brought forth life, then be my guest.

[Xsyne]

In exchange for enslaving women to nonsentient, nonsapient beings.

That are still human.

So's my butt.

[Fintanland]

That are still human.

The 14th amendment (that's the right one, isn't it?) specifically bans HUMANS from having slaves. It is curiously silent on other apes.

[Asperia]

Hmm, put it up for adoption?
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Adoption and abortion are two different things. You cannot use that as your end-all answer, as that still implies that women are born to be baby incubators.

Genders evolved to help the production of offspring. That kind of evolution is useless now, but still, it wasn't a role imposed by society, but an evolutionary trait.

[Vazdania]

That are still human.

What part of "nonsentient, nonsapient" did you have trouble with?

Its still human. It has 46 chromosomes and is developing.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm not saying anything about forcing anyone into a relationship. By providing for the child, I mean financially. As for the ones who get pregnant because they had too much to drink, well its their own fault. If we go along the line of what you say, then we should let the people who drive drunk and kill someone go free, because, you know, it was a mistake and poor souls just had a bit too much to drink.

The point is, people should be held responsible for their actions. If you make a mistake, you must face the consequences. No exceptions whatsoever. I am one of those who believe that the law should be absolute and no clemency should be given, ever. Justice before mercy.

Whoa wtf?! Dude, I mean, wow...

[Auralia]

That are still human.

What part of "nonsentient, nonsapient" did you have trouble with?

Temporary absence of sentience and sapience in the course of ordinary human development should not be a reason to deprive someone of personhood.

[Lunalia]

how come is it that I'm against abortion and I have empirical proof coming from a country with a ban on abortions,and I know why is it a bad idea and these fundamentalists are not even capable of seeing it?!

Because your proof that it is a bad idea is based upon flawed studies which give the impression that adoption is a feasible solution and does not result in most children put up for adoption suffering horribly. I personally equate having a child unwillingly to torture, potentially for the child as well as the mother if the child is not adopted, and the odds of a child not being adopted are perishingly slim. Abortion before the fetus is capable of feeling anything is more ethical than torture. Torture is illegal, by the way.

[Ceannairceach]

No, its a solution to a problem.

It's nonsensical, and demonstrates that you cannot refute my argument.

I'm agreeing with your argument. The mother should give up custody. Via abortion. To god. It's rather ingenious, I think.

[Fintanland]

The female gender evolved to incubate babies. That kind of evolution is useless now, but still, it wasn't a role imposed by society, but an evolutionary trait.

Even if that were true, the male "evolved to be" an inseminator. Yay forced semen donations?

[Vazdania]

That are still human.

So's my butt.

I uhm.....yea...yes it is a human butt...

[Kengburg]

Shall I wear the pink shackes to the hospital bed?

If you consented to the action which brought forth life, then be my guest.

Consented to childbirth =/= Having protected sex and condom breaks

[Farnhamia]

What part of "nonsentient, nonsapient" did you have trouble with?

Its still human. It has 46 chromosomes and is developing.

And it's none of your business how I manage my reproductive system. It's as simple as that.

[Auralia]

It's nonsensical, and demonstrates that you cannot refute my argument.

I'm agreeing with your argument. The mother should give up custody. Via abortion. To god. It's rather ingenious, I think.

It also ignores the fact that murder is immoral and illegal.

[Geilinor]

Because abortion can end in the expulsion without termination of the fetus' life. But it would die anyway. So the killing of it is a merciful act.

So depriving someone of oxygen, then stabbing them, is just mercy killing because they were going to die of asphyxiation anyways?

All of that happens only in very late term abortions. Intact dilation and extraction is banned, so anyone who performed an abortion by stabbing after birth would be punished.

[Xsyne]

What part of "nonsentient, nonsapient" did you have trouble with?

Its still human. It has 46 chromosomes and is developing.

Like my butt.

[Ujh Uhj]

I understand your argument; and I apologize for implying otherwise. I was just noting that adoption is not any reason that abortion should be outlawed.

Very true. Sure, contraception and adoption are alternatives to abortion that should be encouraged, but I realize that one is not always 100 % efficient, and the other one is much more painful for the mother, who still has to go through pregnancy.

Precisely, so instead of making abortion illegal, not supplying sex ed, not making contraceptives easily accessible, and not doing squat about the adoption system, etc, it should be the opposite. Otherwise, what are we but ignorant misogynist assholes citing religion?

[Condunum]

Is it the fault of the lifeform inside you that he was conceived?


As if the woman will not think about the crime against her anyway.

There might be some days when she didn't or at least not every day. You really don't get it, do you?

I'll chip in on this one, because right now, CD is displaying a stunning ignorance.

Undoubtedly many here already heard my story, so I'm not going to recap. But I'll note something. I don't think about it often. In fact, the only times it's seriously on my mind is if I have a reminder about it. Rape joke, seeing her friends, etc. What CD really, really fails to realize is that we don't think about things that hurt us unless something reminds us of it. And that pregnancy is gong to be a reminder of it for all of those nine months. I want to say a dozen tags to him right now, but I know that many of them will get me an instant DEAT. I'm sure you know my sentiments just from that.

[Ceannairceach]

Shall I wear the pink shackes to the hospital bed?

If you consented to the action which brought forth life, then be my guest.

Sex to consent does not equal pregnancy to consent. It's been said so many times now I even reversed the wording to make it more interesting.

[Vazdania]

If you consented to the action which brought forth life, then be my guest.

Consented to childbirth =/= Having protected sex

yea? and?
Who cares if they had 'protected sex' or not?

[Atnae]

how come is it that I'm against abortion and I have empirical proof coming from a country with a ban on abortions,and I know why is it a bad idea and these fundamentalists are not even capable of seeing it?!

Because your proof that it is a bad idea is based upon flawed studies which give the impression that adoption is a feasible solution and does not result in most children put up for adoption suffering horribly. I personally equate having a child unwillingly to torture, potentially for the child as well as the mother if the child is not adopted, and the odds of a child not being adopted are perishingly slim. Abortion before the fetus is capable of feeling anything is more ethical than torture. Torture is illegal, by the way.

wait, he said against abortion...oh bugger brb, editing a previous post.

[Vazdania]

If you consented to the action which brought forth life, then be my guest.

Sex to consent does not equal pregnancy to consent. It's been said so many times now I even reversed the wording to make it more interesting.

yes it does.

[Condunum]

So's my butt.

I uhm.....yea...yes it is a human butt...

My pinky is human. It is not a person.