All Abortion Illegal in North Dakota

[Ujh Uhj]

Because the child is yours by default. You are their biological parent, and you must take care of them until you can make alternate arrangements. The law recognizes this, at least after birth.

Actually, you can give up your child for adoption, you know. The same way you should be able to remove a lifeform from your body.

But the adoption system is so messed up in America that we're importing babies instead of adopting actual Americans. There is an argument that women shouldn't have abortions because they can utilize adoption, but that view is clouded and ignorant and takes into account none of the opinions of the woman.

[Asperia]

Because the child is yours by default. You are their biological parent, and you must take care of them until you can make alternate arrangements. The law recognizes this, at least after birth.

No self respecting court will assign custody to a parent that doesn't want it. Being biologically related to a fetus doesn't make a difference, otherwise you're saying I have an obligation to benign cancer cells.

Hmm, put it up for adoption?
/thread

[Christian Democrats]

Are you nuts? A baby cannot live after an abortion, even in theory.

How would I survive a saline injection or having my head ripped off?

It can survive. For a few moments. Then it dies all on its own.

Most abortions are not late-term, and thus do not involve limb removal.

If most abortions are not late-term, how can "the baby . . . [theoretically] live after abortion" (your words)?

[Ceannairceach]

What about rape?

Does an abortion undo a rape?

Does forcing the victim to wear a sign bearing the resemblance of her rapist?

[Farnhamia]

No self respecting court will assign custody to a parent that doesn't want it. Being biologically related to a fetus doesn't make a difference, otherwise you're saying I have an obligation to benign cancer cells.

Hmm, put it up for adoption?
/thread

Thanks for nine months of being reminded of the asshole who raped me.

[Atnae]

Actually, you can give up your child for adoption, you know. The same way you should be able to remove a lifeform from your body.

Yes, but shockingly enough, you can't kill them in the process.

more analogies that are breaking down under the torture. The removal of the child from your family is analogous to the removal of the foetus from the body. The disappearance of the child from the family even though you may care about the child is analogous the the death of the foetus.

[Ceannairceach]

It can survive. For a few moments. Then it dies all on its own.

Most abortions are not late-term, and thus do not involve limb removal.

If most abortions are not late-term, how can "the baby . . . [theoretically] live after abortion" (your words)?

Because abortion can end in the expulsion without termination of the fetus' life. But it would die anyway. So the killing of it is a merciful act.

[Ujh Uhj]

No self respecting court will assign custody to a parent that doesn't want it. Being biologically related to a fetus doesn't make a difference, otherwise you're saying I have an obligation to benign cancer cells.

Hmm, put it up for adoption?
/thread

What an awful fucking argument. ignorance is not bliss; it's ignorance, and you should be ashamed.

[Auralia]

Because the child is yours by default. You are their biological parent, and you must take care of them until you can make alternate arrangements. The law recognizes this, at least after birth.

No self respecting court will assign custody to a parent that doesn't want it.

But that doesn't change the fact that custody is initially assigned to the biological parent, and the parent must go through proper legal channels to reassign custody to someone else.

[Fintanland]

But the adoption system is so messed up in America that we're importing babies instead of adopting actual Americans. There is an argument that women shouldn't have abortions because they can utilize adoption, but that view is clouded and ignorant and takes into account none of the opinions of the woman.

My point was actually that you do not have an obligation to have your child even after birth. You can use adoption.

[Xsyne]

It can survive. For a few moments. Then it dies all on its own.

Most abortions are not late-term, and thus do not involve limb removal.

If most abortions are not late-term, how can "the baby . . . [theoretically] live after abortion" (your words)?

Because theoretically does not mean that it happens in most cases? In fact, it generally implies the opposite.

[Lunalia]

Contraceptives can fail. The only guaranteed ways to avoid pregnancy are to either practice abstinence, or have one of the two people sterilized. And there are laws (at least in the US) preventing women from being sterilized if they are under 35 or haven't already had two children. I feel that it is wrong to tell two people in a committed relationship that they cannot consent to having sex unless they also want to consent to having a baby. The two are not the same thing.

And saying "if you got pregnant from having 'casual' sex not intending to have a baby then you have to deal with the consequences" is kinda.... disturbing. Saying that a baby is a consequence? A punishment? Whose punishment? Punishment for what? Being in a committed relationship? Why is that a crime? Do they honestly expect people to go from exchanging chaste kisses one day and producing babies the next, only to go back to exchanging chaste kisses the next day because they had a baby? If I learned that I was only born because some religion I don't believe in declared that I was my mother's punishment for having sex... I would feel horrible. Having sex is not a crime, and it should not be treated as one.

[Christian Democrats]

Yes, but shockingly enough, you can't kill them in the process.

Is it your fault that the lifeform inside you is not independently viable?

Is it the fault of the lifeform inside you that he was conceived?

Hmm, put it up for adoption?
/thread

Thanks for nine months of being reminded of the asshole who raped me.

As if the woman will not think about the crime against her anyway.

[Ceannairceach]

No self respecting court will assign custody to a parent that doesn't want it.

But that doesn't change the fact that custody is initially assigned to the biological parent, and the parent must go through proper legal channels to reassign custody to someone else.

Great idea! Let's appeal to religion and assign abortion centers the legal ability to assign God the custody of aborted fetuses.

[Cosara]

Actually, you can give up your child for adoption, you know. The same way you should be able to remove a lifeform from your body.

But the adoption system is so messed up in America that we're importing babies instead of adopting actual Americans. There is an argument that women shouldn't have abortions because they can utilize adoption, but that view is clouded and ignorant and takes into account none of the opinions of the woman.

Not to mention, Russian President, Valdimir Putin's American Adoption Ban (which bans Americans from adopting Russian children) cuts off a good deal of adoptions from another country.
I actually support these bans, not on the ground that I think Americans shouldn't be able to adopt from Russia, but I support it on the grounds that it's their country, and they can pass whatever they want. Just so you know,

[Individuality-ness]

No self respecting court will assign custody to a parent that doesn't want it. Being biologically related to a fetus doesn't make a difference, otherwise you're saying I have an obligation to benign cancer cells.

Hmm, put it up for adoption?
/thread

Adoption and abortion are two different things. You cannot use that as your end-all answer, as that still implies that women are born to be baby incubators.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

What about rape?

Does an abortion undo a rape?

Put your money where your mouth is adopt a child that is the product of rape.

Oh yeah an pay compensation for the horrible situation of going term with a rapist child....really what millennia are you in?

[Post War America]

North Dakota Best Dakota.

Inconspicuously like North Korea is Best Korea. (In that not at all way).

[Atnae]

What about rape?

Does an abortion undo a rape?

Please explain how that question has anything to do with this discussion.

And before you try to put the burden of proof on me, I challenge you to prove that there isn't a teapot orbiting Pluto.

[Auralia]

If most abortions are not late-term, how can "the baby . . . [theoretically] live after abortion" (your words)?

Because abortion can end in the expulsion without termination of the fetus' life. But it would die anyway. So the killing of it is a merciful act.

So depriving someone of oxygen, then stabbing them, is just mercy killing because they were going to die of asphyxiation anyways?

[Individuality-ness]

Stupid double post Amtrack wi-fi lag.

[Ashmoria]

Holy balls I can't even believe how stupid the politics has become in some places in America. Oh my sweet cheese and rice; the authoritarianism is killing me. What the fuck is honestly happening to the liberty in this country? There are no words.

What? Believing that a life should be protected at every stage of it's development is now all of a sudden tyranny? Oh my sweet cheese and rice; the Liberalism is killing me.

there is no freedom without reproductive freedom

[Farnhamia]

Is it your fault that the lifeform inside you is not independently viable?

Is it the fault of the lifeform inside you that he was conceived?

Thanks for nine months of being reminded of the asshole who raped me.

As if the woman will not think about the crime against her anyway.

There might be some days when she didn't or at least not every day. You really don't get it, do you?

[Fintanland]

As if the woman will not think about the crime against her anyway.

So let's make it even harder on her?

[Xsyne]

Is it your fault that the lifeform inside you is not independently viable?

Is it the fault of the lifeform inside you that he was conceived?

Uh, yes? Do you not know how conception happens?