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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:15 pm

Osterreichischen wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Your the one who started on the bullshit about you not being a nazi. Not our fault. Also you contradict yourself, if you support Deutsche Lebensraum, you quite clearly dont support living in peace with people you see as inferior. In fact, do you even know what that term means?

How would I not know what that means?
I'm German. That means, I SPEAK GERMAN.

Lebensraum because the Poles took our land after the great war. The Russians too, that land belongs to us. Ostpreuessen, Konigsberg, Danzig all of that belonged to our ancestors and before.That land belongs to us as well as parts of Belgium, and the Netherlands
One of the main excuses for its implementation. Lebensraum was a nazi policy dedicated to acquiring land for the purpose of resettlement for superior peoples and the forceful expulsion of the people that already lived there who they saw as inferior.

If you support that you cannot claim to be a non racist person.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:15 pm

Ocarith wrote:
Condunum wrote:You know what? I fucking give up.

You ignorant bigots will never actually understand this. I mean, fuck. You believe you're in the right so strongly that you think you can call it murder. I mean, you really, really have to be deprived of information to be that delusional.


Sorry for my sentences awful state

You really think you have the fucking right to decide that childs life?

If it is violating my rights and there is no other way to stop it, then yes, absolutely I have the right to kill it. It's called self-defence.
Its anther persons body.

Doesn't matter.
Its that childs body.

Doesn't matter.
And there is no way you cannot refer to it as anything other than murder.

It's not murder, since it's legal.

Is that a human child? Yes. Its not a goat or a horse, its a human
Is it living? Yes, it needs nutrients
Does it have a brain? Yes its developing
Does it have our genes? Of course thats the basis for its development

All of those questions are yes.

And yet, none of the answers matter at all. No one, born or unborn, gets to use another person's body without permission, even if they need it to live. End of story.

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Postby Cosara » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:16 pm

Osterreichischen wrote: I believe in National Socialism. Doesn't make me a Jew-hating person.

Then you contradict your own belief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Religion

I simply believe every race should stick to their own, and to their own borders and not mix with the white race.

White Separatist much?

That doesn't mean I hate them, it means I respect that all of us have unique genes and DNA that has been part of our different peoples and culture, and should remain unique and distinct.

"I dont hate them, they are just impure, inferior, and too different than us pure Aryans. We cannot corrupt our DNA or culture with their influences."

That is basically what you are saying.
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Postby Osterreichischen » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:16 pm

Seperates wrote:
Osterreichischen wrote:
How would I not know what that means?
I'm German. That means, I SPEAK GERMAN.

Lebensraum because the Poles took our land after the great war. The Russians too, that land belongs to us. Ostpreuessen, Konigsberg, Danzig all of that belonged to our ancestors and before. That land belongs to us as well as parts of Belgium, and the Netherlands.

Actually, it belongs to the people who owned it before you. And before them. And before them.


They are the same as us. We are the same, pure, superior Aryan Nordic race that has ALWAYS been in these forests in the Rheinelande.

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Postby Spiritwolf » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:17 pm

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Osterreichischen wrote:What I recognize is that as a Nordic-Aryan, we're in a position to help others not hate them because of our superior intellect and history of innovation and invention.

Rudyard Kipling is cheering in his grave for you. But you have to realize without for the "non-white" we would not have many of the ideas and thoughts we have today.

He is proud to be German, he recognizes the strengths that being German confers on him, and he is willing to use those strengths to help others. I fail to see a problem with any of this Dilange. Germany is moving in a much more positive direction as a nation now than was the case in the recent past under the Nazi's and is no longer anti-semitic. Germany is taking a leading role in the European Union and by extension, the world.

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Postby Seperates » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:18 pm

Osterreichischen wrote:
Seperates wrote:As an anthropologist...

No. Just no. Every human has 'unique genes and DNA' and different cultures. However, culture and peoples are not concrete, they are fluid, continually changing and evolving.

We don't want to mix races, and we don't want foreign cultures intruding on the Fatherland.

How is that racist?

We don't want our children to be some mixed bastard, we want to maintain the purity of our Nordic race.

That's what Aryan means, pure. We're pure, and we'd like to maintain it that way. I don't see how that translates to me hating others.

Because there is no such thing as 'purity'. And 'races' are just phenotypical variations. Raise a black man in Germany and he will be German. Culture is not inherent. Now I have a flight to catch.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:18 pm

Seperates wrote:
Osterreichischen wrote:I simply believe every race should stick to their own, and to their own borders and not mix with the white race.
That doesn't mean I hate them, it means I respect that all of us have unique genes and DNA that has been part of our different peoples and culture, and should remain unique and distinct.

As an anthropologist...

No. Just no. Every human has 'unique genes and DNA' and different cultures. However, culture and peoples are not concrete, they are fluid, continually changing and evolving.


I agree with you

As a Historian I have to say that this guy is wrong. The easiness in Human migration has made us even more diverse culturally than we ever were before, and it isn't a bad thing. Humanity as a whole is one single mishmash of cultures, and there is nothing wrong with a person with multiple heritage (hell, I have Latin American AND Japanese heritage, and I am proud of that). Migration and exposure to other cultures is what has given us the modern west, so to say that cultural purity has anything to do with anything wrong is completely wrong from a historical standpoint.
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Postby Osterreichischen » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:20 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Osterreichischen wrote:How would I not know what that means?
I'm German. That means, I SPEAK GERMAN.

Lebensraum because the Poles took our land after the great war. The Russians too, that land belongs to us. Ostpreuessen, Konigsberg, Danzig all of that belonged to our ancestors and before.That land belongs to us as well as parts of Belgium, and the Netherlands
One of the main excuses for its implementation. Lebensraum was a nazi policy dedicated to acquiring land for the purpose of resettlement for superior peoples and the forceful expulsion of the people that already lived there who they saw as inferior.

If you support that you cannot claim to be a non racist person.

Not inferior, but trespassers. That land belongs to our forefathers and us, and we want it back. If we are to expand and reach the potential of our race then we need the land to do it, and that land ALREADY belongs to us anyways. The Aryan race has the potential to lead the world into a new era of science, look at what my race has already accomplished.

We don't hate others, we want to help them because their natural inferiority doesn't allow them move forward. Don't you understand?

Just because they are inferior, doesn't mean we hate them, it means we know better than to let them die off in some corner of the world.

Because we are superior, we have the responsibility to help others.

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Postby Nua Corda » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:20 pm

Seperates wrote:
Osterreichischen wrote:We don't want to mix races, and we don't want foreign cultures intruding on the Fatherland.

How is that racist?

We don't want our children to be some mixed bastard, we want to maintain the purity of our Nordic race.

That's what Aryan means, pure. We're pure, and we'd like to maintain it that way. I don't see how that translates to me hating others.

Because there is no such thing as 'purity'. And 'races' are just phenotypical variations. Raise a black man in Germany and he will be German. Culture is not inherent. Now I have a flight to catch.


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Postby Osterreichischen » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:21 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Seperates wrote:As an anthropologist...

No. Just no. Every human has 'unique genes and DNA' and different cultures. However, culture and peoples are not concrete, they are fluid, continually changing and evolving.


I agree with you

As a Historian I have to say that this guy is wrong. The easiness in Human migration has made us even more diverse culturally than we ever were before, and it isn't a bad thing. Humanity as a whole is one single mishmash of cultures, and there is nothing wrong with a person with multiple heritage (hell, I have Latin American AND Japanese heritage, and I am proud of that). Migration and exposure to other cultures is what has given us the modern west, so to say that cultural purity has anything to do with anything wrong is completely wrong from a historical standpoint.


Blonde Hair, and Blue eyes is a recessive trait that is lost with the introduction of a different race brought into the genetic mix. Therefore, yes, we are pure.

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Postby Dilange » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:21 pm

Ocarith wrote:You really think you have the fucking right to decide that childs life?

Fetus =/= sapient child

Its anther persons body. Its that childs body.

Its not a child, its an unspient parasite that undergoes a transformation into a human child, but saying a fetus is a child based off that idea is the fallacy of division.

And there is no way you cannot refer to it as anything other than murder.

So masturbating is murder also?

Is that a human child? Yes. Its not a goat or a horse, its a human

Its a pile of cells that after a long duration of time turns into a child.

Is it living? Yes, it needs nutrients

So do spiders, bugs, parasites....but we kill them all the time.

Does it have a brain? Yes its developing

It does, but it not sapient.

Does it have our genes? Of course thats the basis for its development

This means what?

All of those questions are yes. You must have a brain the size of a pea to think it isn't murder.

Ad hominem.

Its not freedom and someone else damn life and I bet you if that child grew up it would prefer to live.

SAVE THE SPERM! STOP MASTURBATION! DID YOU KNOW EVERYTIME A MAN JACKS OFF, 2.3 MILLION POTENTIAL CHILDREN DIE?!

This society is a damn wreck because of people like you

Ad hominem.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:22 pm

Osterreichischen wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:One of the main excuses for its implementation. Lebensraum was a nazi policy dedicated to acquiring land for the purpose of resettlement for superior peoples and the forceful expulsion of the people that already lived there who they saw as inferior.

If you support that you cannot claim to be a non racist person.

Not inferior, but trespassers. That land belongs to our forefathers and us, and we want it back. If we are to expand and reach the potential of our race then we need the land to do it, and that land ALREADY belongs to us anyways. The Aryan race has the potential to lead the world into a new era of science, look at what my race has already accomplished.

We don't hate others, we want to help them because their natural inferiority doesn't allow them move forward. Don't you understand?

Just because they are inferior, doesn't mean we hate them, it means we know better than to let them die off in some corner of the world.

Because we are superior, we have the responsibility to help others.

Please start a new thread for me to puke in.
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Postby Alyekra » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:23 pm

Dilange wrote:
Its anther persons body. Its that childs body.

Its not a child, its an unspient parasite that undergoes a transformation into a human child, but saying a fetus is a child based off that idea is the fallacy of division.


When does this magical metamorphosis happen?
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Postby Neo Art » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:23 pm

Holy shit did we get a new nazi?

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Postby Cosara » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:23 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Osterreichischen wrote:Not inferior, but trespassers. That land belongs to our forefathers and us, and we want it back. If we are to expand and reach the potential of our race then we need the land to do it, and that land ALREADY belongs to us anyways. The Aryan race has the potential to lead the world into a new era of science, look at what my race has already accomplished.

We don't hate others, we want to help them because their natural inferiority doesn't allow them move forward. Don't you understand?

Just because they are inferior, doesn't mean we hate them, it means we know better than to let them die off in some corner of the world.

Because we are superior, we have the responsibility to help others.

Please start a new thread for me to puke in.

What shall I call it? I'd like to see this argument (one argument I'm on the popular opinion side of)
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:23 pm

Osterreichischen wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:One of the main excuses for its implementation. Lebensraum was a nazi policy dedicated to acquiring land for the purpose of resettlement for superior peoples and the forceful expulsion of the people that already lived there who they saw as inferior.

If you support that you cannot claim to be a non racist person.

Not inferior, but trespassers. That land belongs to our forefathers and us, and we want it back. If we are to expand and reach the potential of our race then we need the land to do it, and that land ALREADY belongs to us anyways. The Aryan race has the potential to lead the world into a new era of science, look at what my race has already accomplished.

We don't hate others, we want to help them because their natural inferiority doesn't allow them move forward. Don't you understand?

Just because they are inferior, doesn't mean we hate them, it means we know better than to let them die off in some corner of the world.

Because we are superior, we have the responsibility to help others.

Helping them? By expelling them from their homes, torturing them, forcing them into labour camps for production of goods of "Superior people", commencing genocide on them and over time wiping them from the face of the earth. Yeah some help.

Oh and lead the world to a new era of science? yeah you will just kill every one else in the process.

Superior my fucking ass.
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Postby Osterreichischen » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:24 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:
Dilange wrote:Rudyard Kipling is cheering in his grave for you. But you have to realize without for the "non-white" we would not have many of the ideas and thoughts we have today.

He is proud to be German, he recognizes the strengths that being German confers on him, and he is willing to use those strengths to help others. I fail to see a problem with any of this Dilange. Germany is moving in a much more positive direction as a nation now than was the case in the recent past under the Nazi's and is no longer anti-semitic. Germany is taking a leading role in the European Union and by extension, the world.


Thank you so much. You understand, don't you?

Jews? Yes. We mistreated them and did horrible things. Is that Nazism? No. That's ancient European religious indoctrination.

Negros? Look at Africa. There are starving children everywhere, women being raped and kidnapped, tribes collecting heads of other tribes.

You think we like seeing this?

The point is, we want to help other races, we recognize every race is unique with it's own genetic make up, and interrupting that with race mixing can erase an entire people group if it goes on for long enough.

The point is, we're superior and we don't use that to look down, we use it to look at other peoples' problems and help them with it.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:24 pm

Osterreichischen wrote:Blonde Hair, and Blue eyes is a recessive trait that is lost with the introduction of a different race brought into the genetic mix. Therefore, yes, we are pure.


My question is, who exactly gives a shit that your kid has blonde hair and blue eyes?! They are PEOPLE! And they shouldn't be thought of as better or more pure simply because of these traits you eugenicist.
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Postby Neo Art » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:25 pm

Alyekra wrote:
Dilange wrote:Its not a child, its an unspient parasite that undergoes a transformation into a human child, but saying a fetus is a child based off that idea is the fallacy of division.


When does this magical metamorphosis happen?


You know, that sorta explains a lot. If I thought basic biology was some form of unexplainable magic, I'd probably be against abortion too. Mostly pragmatically though because, fuck, what if it turns out the fetus is a wizard?
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Postby Cosara » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:25 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Osterreichischen wrote:Not inferior, but trespassers. That land belongs to our forefathers and us, and we want it back. If we are to expand and reach the potential of our race then we need the land to do it, and that land ALREADY belongs to us anyways. The Aryan race has the potential to lead the world into a new era of science, look at what my race has already accomplished.

We don't hate others, we want to help them because their natural inferiority doesn't allow them move forward. Don't you understand?

Just because they are inferior, doesn't mean we hate them, it means we know better than to let them die off in some corner of the world.

Because we are superior, we have the responsibility to help others.

Helping them? By expelling them from their homes, torturing them, forcing them into labour camps for production of goods of "Superior people", commencing genocide on them and over time wiping them from the face of the earth. Yeah some help.

Superior my fucking ass.


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Postby Dilange » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:26 pm

Spiritwolf wrote:He is proud to be German, he recognizes the strengths that being German confers on him, and he is willing to use those strengths to help others.

What the honest fuck, were you reading then? I only saw that Aryans should not mix and their superior.

I fail to see a problem with any of this Dilange.

You fail to see a problem with White Supremacy? Aryan Supremacy? *facepalm* Oh mon dieu.

Germany is moving in a much more positive direction as a nation now than was the case in the recent past under the Nazi's and is no longer anti-semitic. Germany is taking a leading role in the European Union and by extension, the world.

Modern Germany isnt under national socialism anymore. There is a difference between what Germany does and what this guy is spouting.

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Postby Osterreichischen » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:27 pm

Cosara wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Helping them? By expelling them from their homes, torturing them, forcing them into labour camps for production of goods of "Superior people", commencing genocide on them and over time wiping them from the face of the earth. Yeah some help.

Superior my fucking ass.


"Superior my fucking ass" no truer words have ever been said about Nazis.


I don't seek to torture, or force anyone into labour camps. That was Adolf Hitler's doing, not Nazism.

Besides, that land rightfully belongs to us.

The point is, I don't want to exterminate races, torture and put them in labor camps that doesn't make any sense.

I want to bring the intelligence and innovation of the Aryan race into a world that needs help, with inventions, new science, medicines. We can help the world because we are superior.

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Postby Neo Art » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:27 pm

ya know, wizard fetus would be a GREAT name for a band.
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Postby Spiritwolf » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:28 pm

Nua Corda wrote:
Spiritwolf wrote:Why would I lie? Did you serve also or are you just against the military as a rule?


Because you think pretending to be a Marine makes you seem slightly less pathetic?

Well, I'm still in college, but I mean to make a try for JAG.

Not being in the military =/= against the military.

If your college offers Naval ROTC that would be a good way to go.

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Postby Condunum » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:29 pm

Neo Art wrote:ya know, wizard fetus would be a GREAT name for a band.

I'll email Dying Fetus and ask them if they'd consider it.
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