All Abortion Illegal in North Dakota

[Opaloka]

Besides disagreeing with everything 'spiritwolf' has said i was under the impression that advocating the murder of people was illegal on NS. Given that doctors in the US & elsewhere have in fact been murdered on the basis of such 'opinion' i at least find his comments offensive.

All human beings have the right to control over their own bodies so no chatel slavery (& remember folks defence of that was a feature of right wing xtianity, islam & the rest in the past) but also no biological slavery for women either. Their bodies their lives their right to decide. An egg is not a zygote which is not a foetus which is not a baby much less a 'person'.

[Nua Corda]

Corsara's gone, Turvelia's gone, Lerodan Chinamerica's gone, that's three tangos down.

WAAAGH.

Social Conservatives are strongly reminiscent of Orks. They're angry, not very bright, and appear to reproduce by sporing.

[Cosara]

And because I am a real man, of which there is an obvious shortage of in this world.

You don't hold a candle to Chuck Norris

[Dilange]

Abortion is one way to assume responsibility (rather than just ignoring the situation).

The woman doesn't have to deal with a baby yet, just the pregnancy. She can take responsibility for it by terminating it if she doesn't want to have the baby, or by letting it continue if she does want the baby. Letting it continue when she doesn't want the baby and not making plans for the baby, ignoring the pregnancy and hoping stuff works out, etc. are ways of not taking responsibility.

If she doesn't want the baby, then she should completely avoid the risk altogether, act more responsible and wait for sex until she is in a position to maintain and take care of a small child.

How hard is that?

Is the desire to have sex more important than ending up having to kill a baby?

Sex =/= the consent for impregnation.

[His Noodliness the FSM]

Your opinions sicken me. You deprive women of their right to liberty and right of free choice in direct violation of this nations constitution.

The Constitution of the United States of America protects ALL Americans rights to include those that have just been concieved. Women have been literally getting away with murder for far too long now. And yes, I fully intend to curtail this particular problem before more innocent children die. It's called a "VOTE". It is the ultimate use of force. And I am going to use it on you with extreme prejudice.

Hmmm, a couple of things wrong with that.
1. The Constitution says nothing about unborn babies being protected. I dare you to prove me wrong.
2. Define murder and define human. You'll find that killing fetuses is not murder.
3. These fetuses are not children, and if they live, they will most likely be hated, abused, and possibly even murdered by their unloving parents. Congratulations for saving "children" so that they can be tortured. By having these children live, you support their torture.

[Desperate Measures]

If she doesn't want the baby, then she should completely avoid the risk altogether, act more responsible and wait for sex until she is in a position to maintain and take care of a small child.

How hard is that?

Is the desire to have sex more important than ending up having to kill a baby?

If you don't want to die in a car accident, never get into a car. How hard is that? Is the desire to drive more important than a fiery death?

Thanks. Now, I want to sell my car.

[Starkindler]

Common NS Patron on abortion thread: "WHAT? YOU HAVE CRITICISM OF ABORTION? I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR SYMPATHY FOR FETUSES! YOU ARE A MORON! FETUSES ARE THE PARASITIC SCUM OF THE EARTH NEXT TO REPUBLICANS! YOU HATE WOMEN! YOU THINK WOMEN SHOULD BE SLAVES! YOU PROBABLY HATE OBAMA BECAUSE HE'S BLACK! OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN EXTREMIST IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME AT ALL ON THIS ONE ISSUE! ANY RESTRICTION ON ABORTION IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!"

Common NS Patron on gun thread: "CONSTITUTION? THAT WAS WRITTEN OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AGO! ITS OUTDATED! YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OWN A GUN JUST BECAUSE IT WAS MADE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SO THAT IT WOULD BE PROTECTED FROM DEMOCRACY!"

You should think of the fetuses in a way that they'll be born someday. And children deserve to be raised in a nurturing, peaceful environment. With access to such luxuries as loving parent/s (it's a different discussion), or edible food, clean water, maybe education and a home to return to?

As money's evil, God can't provide these things to people, as by providing money, God would corrupt people. Praying won't feed anyone. Working parent/s will.

[Osterreichischen]

Fetishism?

I am German you idiot.

Yet you dont know the name of the German Army (its Heer, by the way) which you have supposedly applied for.

edit: Seems Realm said this already.

I didn't apply. I wanted to all my life but I met the woman who is my wife right now and had to choose between staying here with her and raising a family or joining the WEHRMACHT which I will call it that because It contains the Heer. Wehrmacht is like saying "Armed Forces"

It is not branch specific, but if you need me to then ARMY or HEER is what I wanted to do.

"Armed Forces" "Wehrmacht" Is more appropriate because I wanted to join the "Army" "Heer" OR the "Navy" "Deutsche Marine" because my grandfather was in the Kriegsmarine during the second world war.

And because my grandparents were, it does not make me a nazi.

[Spiritwolf]

The Constitution of the United States of America protects ALL Americans rights to include those that have just been concieved...

The decision in Roe v. Wade explains that the Constitution's various uses of the term "person" could not reasonably be understood as including the unborn. The Constitution of the United States protects the rights of all people in its jurisdictions, and the unborn aren't people.

In North Dakota they are. And they will soon be nationwide.

[The Realm of God]

WAAAGH.

Social Conservatives are strongly reminiscent of Orks. They're angry, not very bright, and appear to reproduce by sporing.

Do you mind if I put that in the Awesome NS quotes thread?

[Sophian]

Common NS Patron on abortion thread: "WHAT? YOU HAVE CRITICISM OF ABORTION? I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR SYMPATHY FOR FETUSES! YOU ARE A MORON! FETUSES ARE THE PARASITIC SCUM OF THE EARTH NEXT TO REPUBLICANS! YOU HATE WOMEN! YOU THINK WOMEN SHOULD BE SLAVES! YOU PROBABLY HATE OBAMA BECAUSE HE'S BLACK! OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN EXTREMIST IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME AT ALL ON THIS ONE ISSUE! ANY RESTRICTION ON ABORTION IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!"

Common NS Patron on gun thread: "CONSTITUTION? THAT WAS WRITTEN OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AGO! ITS OUTDATED! YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OWN A GUN JUST BECAUSE IT WAS MADE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SO THAT IT WOULD BE PROTECTED FROM DEMOCRACY!"

You should think of the fetuses in a way that they'll be born someday. And children deserve to be raised in a nurturing, peaceful environment. With access to such luxuries as loving parent/s (it's a different discussion), or edible food, clean water, maybe education and a home to return to?

As money's evil, God can't provide these things to people, as by providing money, God would corrupt people. Praying won't feed anyone. Working parent/s will.

Source?

[Lunalia]

If she doesn't want the baby, then she should completely avoid the risk altogether, act more responsible and wait for sex until she is in a position to maintain and take care of a small child.

How hard is that?

Is the desire to have sex more important than ending up having to kill a baby?

Sex =/= the consent for impregnation.

Agreed. Especially because the people who say "if you get pregnant it is a punishment" turn around and say "babies are wonderful precious things"

[Nua Corda]

Social Conservatives are strongly reminiscent of Orks. They're angry, not very bright, and appear to reproduce by sporing.

Do you mind if I put that in the Awesome NS quotes thread?

Not at all.

[The Huskar Social Union]

And because I am a real man, of which there is an obvious shortage of in this world.

You don't hold a candle to Chuck Norris

Overrated Actor is overrated.

How about you reply to this:

Too bad the UDHR does not define what "person" is, eh?

Also, it's not legally binding. Your argument is invalid.

[Dilange]

The decision in Roe v. Wade explains that the Constitution's various uses of the term "person" could not reasonably be understood as including the unborn. The Constitution of the United States protects the rights of all people in its jurisdictions, and the unborn aren't people.

In North Dakota they are. And they will soon be nationwide.

Apparently an unsapient pile of cells trumps the rights of sapient women.

[Ashmoria]

If a woman would rather give birth to a child rather than have an abortion when she wasn't ready or fully able to care for it, that is a bigger problem with worse consequences.

The problem is engaging in sexual behavior when you're not in a position to maintain a family in general. If you're not in a situation to take care of yourself and a small child, you're certainly not in a position to make the decision of having sex.

Why?

Because sex has obvious risks. Becoming Pregnant is one of them, and the biggest risk one must be aware of and prepared for.

If a woman would rather kill a baby than wait for marriage to have sex, I'd suggest taking a look at her priorities in life.

oddly enough the majority of adults in the western world have sex before they get married.

that isn't going to change.

[The Rich Port]

Social Conservatives are strongly reminiscent of Orks. They're angry, not very bright, and appear to reproduce by sporing.

Do you mind if I put that in the Awesome NS quotes thread?

Put THIS in your awesome quotes piehole

[Condunum]

Yet you dont know the name of the German Army (its Heer, by the way) which you have supposedly applied for.

edit: Seems Realm said this already.

I didn't apply. I wanted to all my life but I met the woman who is my wife right now and had to choose between staying here with her and raising a family or joining the WEHRMACHT which I will call it that because It contains the Heer. Wehrmacht is like saying "Armed Forces"

It is not branch specific, but if you need me to then ARMY or HEER is what I wanted to do.

"Armed Forces" "Wehrmacht" Is more appropriate because I wanted to join the "Army" "Heer" OR the "Navy" "Deutsche Marine" because my grandfather was in the Kriegsmarine during the second world war.

And because my grandparents were, it does not make me a nazi.

The Wehrmacht was the unified armed forces of Germany from 1935 to 1945. It literally does not apply anywhere else, and the fact that you insist it does proves you aren't a German.

[Cosara]

If you're a living member of the human race (which fetuses are) I consider you a person.

Too bad the UDHR does not define what "person" is, eh?

Put your own definition or else I put mine, and mine is

"A Living Human."

[Lunalia]

A thought just occurred to me. People say that "babies are a punishment for having sex".

Sex isn't a crime. A punishment for something that isn't wrong is... assault.

So a woman is free to kill the "person" that is assaulting her.

In any other circumstance, if a woman is assaulted, she is not found at fault if, in the course of defending herself, the assailant dies. So why is she at fault here?

[Cosara]

I didn't apply. I wanted to all my life but I met the woman who is my wife right now and had to choose between staying here with her and raising a family or joining the WEHRMACHT which I will call it that because It contains the Heer. Wehrmacht is like saying "Armed Forces"

It is not branch specific, but if you need me to then ARMY or HEER is what I wanted to do.

"Armed Forces" "Wehrmacht" Is more appropriate because I wanted to join the "Army" "Heer" OR the "Navy" "Deutsche Marine" because my grandfather was in the Kriegsmarine during the second world war.

And because my grandparents were, it does not make me a nazi.

The Wehrmacht was the unified armed forces of Germany from 1935 to 1945. It literally does not apply anywhere else, and the fact that you insist it does proves you aren't a German.

I'll say it for you.
Checkmate!

[Divair]

81 pages despite this meaning nothing. NSG, fuck yeah!

[Celritannia]

Too bad the UDHR does not define what "person" is, eh?

Put your own definition or else I put mine, and mine is

"A Living Human."

Opinions =/= facts

[Cosara]

A thought just occurred to me. People say that "babies are a punishment for having sex".

Sex isn't a crime. A punishment for something that isn't wrong is... assault.

So a woman is free to kill the "person" that is assaulting her.

If the fetus is really assaulting her, the fetus isn't even consenting to it.

[Dilange]

A thought just occurred to me. People say that "babies are a punishment for having sex".

Sex isn't a crime. A punishment for something that isn't wrong is... assault.

So a woman is free to kill the "person" that is assaulting her.

Ummmmmmmmmm......okay?