All Abortion Illegal in North Dakota

[Farnhamia]

Your opinions sicken me. You deprive women of their right to liberty and right of free choice in direct violation of this nations constitution.

Women give up certain rights for the responsibility of carrying a living being inside of them.

You can't "do whatever you want because its your body" when there's a living being inside of you depending on your choices.

Sez you. Sensible people, including members of the US Supreme Court, disagree. I know, it's an appeal to authority, but it's true. The government does not have an interest in preventing me from having a first-term abortion.

[Ifreann]

1. Prove that it was forced to enter womb and is prevented by women from leaving.
2. Same thing applies. We execute people, we also allow self-defence etc.

1. The fetus can't tell the sperm to turn back.

Because there is no foetus at that stage. Seriously, this is not complicated stuff.

2. Execution means that the person did something to deserve it. Fetuses have done nothing.

They're inside a woman without permission. Trespass, if not assault.

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Remind me to not get chemo should I ever get cancer. After all, cancer cells have the right to life!

It's quite sad that we have to make up all these absurd arguments. These pro-lifers want to invade privacy and others bodily autonomy because they consider themselves to be moral guardians. It is as if they have nothing else better to do.

In fairness, do any of us here have something better to be doing?

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Wasn't he going to leave after ranting about how this forum hates on conservatives, though?

I missed that. They never do, anyway.

Hotel California and all that.

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Roe v. Wade dear. I have the right to an abortion.

United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article III:
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.



But I guess no one cares about the Declaration of Human Rights.

You clearly don't, or you wouldn't be so eager to violate women's security of person.

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Roe v. Wade dear. I have the right to an abortion.

Not for much longer "Dear".

On what grounds do you think that?

[The Realm of God]

Far Right Fundamentalist Protestants. A wonderful package of bigotry and hypocrisy, since 1800. A product of Princeton Theology.

The best part is that basically all Christians who are against abortion aren't listening to theirs texts. Iirc, it doesn't say aborts is wrong, and in fact says that life starts at the first breath.

You are a Christian, are those correct about the bible?

Yes, Jewish Law states that life begins at first breath, not that the fundies would listen mind. Theology and human compassion are not their strong point.

[His Noodliness the FSM]

Roe v. Wade dear. I have the right to an abortion.

Not for much longer "Dear".

Hey, you know that annoying fly you just swatted? It's more developed than a human fetus, and far more intelligent. If fetuses get rights, shouldn't animals too?
I mean, it will suck when you are thrown in jail on a homicide charge for killing a fly, but isn't that the right thing to do?

[The Rich Port]

North Dakota is in violation of the Constitution. Dear.

Mmm, we'll see. They haven't made the procedure illegal, they have simply made the fetus a person, giving it the right to protection under the law. Hurting it is assault, or possibly murder if it is aborted. You can try to get an abortion - at the one place in the whole state where such things are available - but if you do, the doctor will be liable to prosecution. The intent here is to stop doctors from offering the procedure without actually making it illegal, because that would violate Roe.

This is not law yet. It has to be approved by the voters, most likely in November.

This just makes the law all the more moronic and fucking fiendish.

They fucking loophole their way around law just to force their bullshit on others.

[The Nuclear Fist]

And because I am a real man, of which there is an obvious shortage of in this world

Is he implying that there exists a shortage of males without functional genitalia in the world?

Because I doubt that.

[Nua Corda]

Small note, sex is just sex. That said, there is no such thing as a real man, unless all men are real men.

You're just a child.

Wow, that went to ad hominem quickly..

[Condunum]

Small note, sex is just sex. That said, there is no such thing as a real man, unless all men are real men.

You're just a child.

Heh. Heh heh. Okay, I'm 18.



Farn, is sex something special to you, or is it primarily physical?

[Samuraikoku]

Since you haven't met me yet, I will introduce myself. I am Spiritwolf, I am far right wing in my views and approach, and I mean every word quite literally. Abortionists are murderers in my eyes and deserve death and hell after death. This nation has murdered tens of millions of our innocent children in the name of "womens rights" and it is time for this Holocaust to come to an end. Now.

Ooh, are we finally doing this? I love this!

My name is The Rich Port, I've had sex with lots of women, picking up feminism as a by-product; my parents and their friends are the biggest hypocrites I've ever met in my life, and as a result they've colored my perception of "conservatives" as lying, selfish phonies mostly in it for themselves and valuing not looking bad in front of the neighbours as priority #1; I kinda have a problem with abortion, but I have a bigger problem with the people trying to ban it.

My name is Samuraikoku, I have no sexual experience as of yet, but I know what is and what isn't my business. Why a woman decides to abort falls under the latter, and it is not my place to give any morality value, much less use the State power to stop her right to bodily autonomy.

[Condunum]

The best part is that basically all Christians who are against abortion aren't listening to theirs texts. Iirc, it doesn't say aborts is wrong, and in fact says that life starts at the first breath.

You are a Christian, are those correct about the bible?

Yes, Jewish Law states that life begins at first breath, not that the fundies would listen mind. Theology and human compassion are not their strong point.

True. Nor is intellectual consistency, as we've seen quite often.

[The Nuclear Fist]

You can't "do whatever you want because its your body" when there's a living being inside of you depending on your choices.

"Sir, it appears you've got a tapeworm. We're going to need to keep you under constant surveillance, to make sure you don't violate its right to life. After all, it is depending on your choices."

[Samuraikoku]

You're just a child.

I would consider someone who pounds his chest and talking about Wehrmacht more of a child.

[Condunum]

Small note, sex is just sex. That said, there is no such thing as a real man, unless all men are real men.

You're just a child.

I should also add, age doesn't really matter here.

[Nua Corda]

Yes, Jewish Law states that life begins at first breath, not that the fundies would listen mind. Theology and human compassion are not their strong point.

True. Nor is intellectual consistency, as we've seen quite often.

Abortion: Fck u, we dnt have ot litsn to Jewlaw!

Homosexuality: All Leviticus, All the Time

[Samuraikoku]

Still waiting, Cosara.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Since you haven't met me yet, I will introduce myself. I am Spiritwolf, I am far right wing in my views and approach, and I mean every word quite literally. Abortionists are murderers in my eyes and deserve death and hell after death. This nation has murdered tens of millions of our innocent children in the name of "womens rights" and it is time for this Holocaust to come to an end. Now.

Ooh, are we finally doing this? I love this!

My name is The Rich Port, I've had sex with lots of women, picking up feminism as a by-product; my parents and their friends are the biggest hypocrites I've ever met in my life, and as a result they've colored my perception of "conservatives" as lying, selfish phonies mostly in it for themselves and valuing not looking bad in front of the neighbours as priority #1; I kinda have a problem with abortion, but I have a bigger problem with the people trying to ban it.

My name is long, so just call me Confini XD!

I haven't had any sex with women, but I picked up feminism as well, you wouldn't really say a bi-product since Christianity teaches this about women being equal as well. Personally conservative but politically liberal, I believe in egalitarianism but I also have a different set of rules (oftentimes FAR MORE STRICT) than the rules I have for others. While I believe that abortion is somewhat morally wrong, I will never push my beliefs onto another person, not even a significant other because she is free to do as she wishes. Of course, I do believe there has to be healthy discussion in a loving couple about this, but I honestly believe in the body sovereignty of a woman, and she would have the last word with what to do with her body.

[The Rich Port]

Small note, sex is just sex. That said, there is no such thing as a real man, unless all men are real men.

You're just a child.

Says the guy who sounds like a Twilight novel.

Wehrmacht

What the...

[Ifreann]

Mmm, we'll see. They haven't made the procedure illegal, they have simply made the fetus a person, giving it the right to protection under the law. Hurting it is assault, or possibly murder if it is aborted. You can try to get an abortion - at the one place in the whole state where such things are available - but if you do, the doctor will be liable to prosecution. The intent here is to stop doctors from offering the procedure without actually making it illegal, because that would violate Roe.

This is not law yet. It has to be approved by the voters, most likely in November.

This just makes the law all the more moronic and fucking fiendish.

They fucking loophole their way around law just to force their bullshit on others.

It's for the best, though. They'll do this, someone will fight it, and the personhood nonsense will get struck down on the federal level.

[The Realm of God]

Your opinions sicken me. You deprive women of their right to liberty and right of free choice in direct violation of this nations constitution.

Women give up certain rights for the responsibility of carrying a living being inside of them.

You can't "do whatever you want because its your body" when there's a living being inside of you depending on your choices.

Oh, I see. I'm carrying arround several species of bacteria within my stomach and so is everyone else here. Remind me what my obligation to these living creatures is?

Oh and legally we retain our lawful rights from cradle to grave.

[Osterreichischen]

You're just a child.

I would consider someone who pounds his chest and talking about Wehrmacht more of a child.

You mean talking about how I decided against joining the Wehrmacht because it wouldn't be fair to my family is a childish value?

[Condunum]

You're just a child.

Says the guy who sounds like a Twilight novel.

Wehrmacht

What the...

His little bit about the Wehrmacht makes me think he's, at best, in high school and still doesn't have the experience to know that is bad.

[Samuraikoku]

You mean talking about how I decided against joining the Wehrmacht because it wouldn't be fair to my family is a childish value?

Assuming it's even true. Protip: I think it's not.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I would consider someone who pounds his chest and talking about Wehrmacht more of a child.

You mean talking about how I decided against joining the Wehrmacht because it wouldn't be fair to my family is a childish value?

You declined to join the Third Reich's armed forces?

[Samuraikoku]

It's for the best, though. They'll do this, someone will fight it, and the personhood nonsense will get struck down on the federal level.

Emperor may will it.

[Osterreichischen]

Women give up certain rights for the responsibility of carrying a living being inside of them.

You can't "do whatever you want because its your body" when there's a living being inside of you depending on your choices.

Oh, I see. I'm carrying arround several species of bacteria within my stomach and so is everyone else here. Remind me what my obligation to these living creatures is?

Oh and legally we retain our lawful rights from cradle to grave.

If you're comparing a living human inside of a woman to "several species of bacteria" then I can see where this will go.

Women are pregnant because they make a choice, whereas all life already consists of micro-organisms, it's not a choice it's how you exist.

Women are pregnant because they decided to engage in behavior that has obvious risks. If they would rather kill a baby than assume responsibility, that's a problem.