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Sarkhaan
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Postby Sarkhaan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:12 pm

Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:I hate potheads, as such, weed should remain a scheduled narcotic.


How mature.

Right, because sitting in a dimly lit basement and blazing up while listening to Pink Floyd on repeat and arguing the merits of Cheetos is much more mature...

"I know you are, but what am I" was a poor response back in 2nd grade, too.

Also, it seems that your issue is much more with the stereotype of pot head, rather than the reality of many of the people who smoke. The last times that I smoked, I was either a) climbing a mountain, b) walking around a park, c) discovering a new city or d) at a shitton of clubs and bars for halloween.

But no, we can pretend that I was just sitting around listening to music and eating
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:13 pm

Parthenon wrote:Right, because sitting in a dimly lit basement and blazing up while listening to Pink Floyd on repeat and arguing the merits of Cheetos is much more mature...


It's much more mature than doing things just to spite people you don't like. Almost anything is more mature than spiting people you don't like.
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Postby Sumamba Buwhan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:13 pm

Flameswroth wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
Flameswroth wrote: But if you ask for my vote on the matter, I'd definitely vote against.


Why?

Why not? I have a personal aversion to pot and other substances used alter consciousness. I'm not going to vote to legalize it just because it's "the understanding thing to do", but nor will I campaign against it thinking my personal feeling ought to trump public opinion.

And yes, the first section of my original post was indeed made in jest. I was being silly :)


What if there were many benefits to society in general from repealing prohibition?

Less crowded jails, less gang income/violence, focus on real crimes at the police level, potentially less state and federal taxes, less tigma on users so they can get help without being scared of arrest...
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:13 pm

Kobrania wrote:
Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:I hate potheads, as such, weed should remain a scheduled narcotic.


How mature.

Right, because sitting in a dimly lit basement and blazing up while listening to Pink Floyd on repeat and arguing the merits of Cheetos is much more mature...

Some need it for pain dude.

And it helps me concentrate, and less angry.

I have the right not to be a homicidal maniac!


Can't meditation make you concentrate and make you less angry?
There are other ways of solving your problems without drugs.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:13 pm

Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:I hate potheads, as such, weed should remain a scheduled narcotic.


How mature.

Right, because sitting in a dimly lit basement and blazing up while listening to Pink Floyd on repeat and arguing the merits of Cheetos is much more mature...


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Postby Pevisopolis » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:14 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Kobrania wrote:
Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:I hate potheads, as such, weed should remain a scheduled narcotic.


How mature.

Right, because sitting in a dimly lit basement and blazing up while listening to Pink Floyd on repeat and arguing the merits of Cheetos is much more mature...

Some need it for pain dude.

And it helps me concentrate, and less angry.

I have the right not to be a homicidal maniac!


Can't meditation make you concentrate and make you less angry?
There are other ways of solving your problems without drugs.


Guess what enhances my level of concentration and calmness necessary for meditation...
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:15 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Kobrania wrote:
Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:I hate potheads, as such, weed should remain a scheduled narcotic.


How mature.

Right, because sitting in a dimly lit basement and blazing up while listening to Pink Floyd on repeat and arguing the merits of Cheetos is much more mature...

Some need it for pain dude.

And it helps me concentrate, and less angry.

I have the right not to be a homicidal maniac!


Can't meditation make you concentrate and make you less angry?
There are other ways of solving your problems without drugs.


I personally prefer silliness, but to each their own. :)
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Postby Sarkhaan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:15 pm

I can't read sometimes....and it won't let me delete.
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Postby Parthenon » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:16 pm

Kobrania wrote:
Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:I hate potheads, as such, weed should remain a scheduled narcotic.


How mature.

Right, because sitting in a dimly lit basement and blazing up while listening to Pink Floyd on repeat and arguing the merits of Cheetos is much more mature...

Some need it for pain dude.

And it helps me concentrate, and less angry.

I have the right not to be a homicidal maniac!

If a person is actually in pain there are dozens of alternatives ranging from fentanyl to simple acetaminophen. "Pain" is not a valid excuse in the least bit.

Concentration, same thing.

Homicidal maniac? Asylums work for that.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:17 pm

Parthenon wrote:If a person is actually in pain there are dozens of alternatives ranging from fentanyl to simple acetaminophen. "Pain" is not a valid excuse in the least bit.

Concentration, same thing.

Homicidal maniac? Asylums work for that.


Here's a thought, how about you just stop giving a shit about what other people do if they leave you alone?
A little homework for you!

What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby Kobrania » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:17 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Kobrania wrote:
Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:I hate potheads, as such, weed should remain a scheduled narcotic.


How mature.

Right, because sitting in a dimly lit basement and blazing up while listening to Pink Floyd on repeat and arguing the merits of Cheetos is much more mature...

Some need it for pain dude.

And it helps me concentrate, and less angry.

I have the right not to be a homicidal maniac!


Can't meditation make you concentrate and make you less angry?
There are other ways of solving your problems without drugs.

Anything you can suggest?
My psychiatrist doesn't work and most people are arseholes.
The only reason I haven't slit my own throat or killed somebody is because of the decent sex I get.

When I don't have sex, I smoke, simple.
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Postby Flameswroth » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:17 pm

Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
Flameswroth wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
Flameswroth wrote: But if you ask for my vote on the matter, I'd definitely vote against.


Why?

Why not? I have a personal aversion to pot and other substances used alter consciousness. I'm not going to vote to legalize it just because it's "the understanding thing to do", but nor will I campaign against it thinking my personal feeling ought to trump public opinion.

And yes, the first section of my original post was indeed made in jest. I was being silly :)


What if there were many benefits to society in general from repealing prohibition?

Less crowded jails, less gang income/violence, focus on real crimes at the police level, potentially less state and federal taxes, less tigma on users so they can get help without being scared of arrest...

I don't like the people that use, either. Why would I be in favor of having what they do decriminalized, putting more of them back into society? It's worth the higher tax IMHO.

But like I said, I'm not gonna cry a river if it does get legalized, but I'm not gonna help it happen.
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Postby Sarkhaan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:19 pm

Parthenon wrote:
Kobrania wrote:
Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:I hate potheads, as such, weed should remain a scheduled narcotic.


How mature.

Right, because sitting in a dimly lit basement and blazing up while listening to Pink Floyd on repeat and arguing the merits of Cheetos is much more mature...

Some need it for pain dude.

And it helps me concentrate, and less angry.

I have the right not to be a homicidal maniac!

If a person is actually in pain there are dozens of alternatives ranging from fentanyl to simple acetaminophen. "Pain" is not a valid excuse in the least bit.

Concentration, same thing.

Homicidal maniac? Asylums work for that.

And for what reason should we ignore one viable medical option in favor of another one? Particularly when you cite one that is very addictive, and one that is incredibly damaging to the liver...

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Postby Parthenon » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:19 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:If a person is actually in pain there are dozens of alternatives ranging from fentanyl to simple acetaminophen. "Pain" is not a valid excuse in the least bit.

Concentration, same thing.

Homicidal maniac? Asylums work for that.


Here's a thought, how about you just stop giving a shit about what other people do if they leave you alone?

When drugged up teenagers stop getting behind the wheel under the excuse that "Marijuana doesn't affect my driving as much as alcohol" then I will stop "giving a shit".
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:19 pm

Flameswroth wrote:I don't like the people that use, either. Why would I be in favor of having what they do decriminalized, putting more of them back into society? It's worth the higher tax IMHO.

But like I said, I'm not gonna cry a river if it does get legalized, but I'm not gonna help it happen.


So you're just in favor of being able to do what you want to do? If anyone else wants to do something that you wouldn't want to, tough luck?
A little homework for you!

What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:19 pm

Parthenon wrote:When drugged up teenagers stop getting behind the wheel under the excuse that "Marijuana doesn't affect my driving as much as alcohol" then I will stop "giving a shit".


Because the only way to stop DUI is to ban substances.
A little homework for you!

What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby Sarkhaan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:20 pm

Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:If a person is actually in pain there are dozens of alternatives ranging from fentanyl to simple acetaminophen. "Pain" is not a valid excuse in the least bit.

Concentration, same thing.

Homicidal maniac? Asylums work for that.


Here's a thought, how about you just stop giving a shit about what other people do if they leave you alone?

When drugged up teenagers stop getting behind the wheel under the excuse that "Marijuana doesn't affect my driving as much as alcohol" then I will stop "giving a shit".

Or you could deal with the actual issue (DUI) rather than the somewhat tertiary one (smoking marijuana).

A DUI is the same, regardless of what drug is influencing the driver. Treat it as such.

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Postby Parthenon » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:20 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:When drugged up teenagers stop getting behind the wheel under the excuse that "Marijuana doesn't affect my driving as much as alcohol" then I will stop "giving a shit".


Because the only way to stop DUI is to ban substances.

Edit: The best way*
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:21 pm

Kobrania wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Kobrania wrote:
Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:I hate potheads, as such, weed should remain a scheduled narcotic.


How mature.

Right, because sitting in a dimly lit basement and blazing up while listening to Pink Floyd on repeat and arguing the merits of Cheetos is much more mature...

Some need it for pain dude.

And it helps me concentrate, and less angry.

I have the right not to be a homicidal maniac!


Can't meditation make you concentrate and make you less angry?
There are other ways of solving your problems without drugs.

Anything you can suggest?
My psychiatrist doesn't work and most people are arseholes.
The only reason I haven't slit my own throat or killed somebody is because of the decent sex I get.

When I don't have sex, I smoke, simple.


Find a hobby? :)

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Postby Sdaeriji » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:22 pm

Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:If a person is actually in pain there are dozens of alternatives ranging from fentanyl to simple acetaminophen. "Pain" is not a valid excuse in the least bit.

Concentration, same thing.

Homicidal maniac? Asylums work for that.


Here's a thought, how about you just stop giving a shit about what other people do if they leave you alone?

When drugged up teenagers stop getting behind the wheel under the excuse that "Marijuana doesn't affect my driving as much as alcohol" then I will stop "giving a shit".


Then you support the illegalization of alcohol, right?
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Postby Zeppy » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:22 pm

Legalization of all soft drugs

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Postby Sumamba Buwhan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:22 pm

Flameswroth wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
Flameswroth wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
Flameswroth wrote: But if you ask for my vote on the matter, I'd definitely vote against.


Why?

Why not? I have a personal aversion to pot and other substances used alter consciousness. I'm not going to vote to legalize it just because it's "the understanding thing to do", but nor will I campaign against it thinking my personal feeling ought to trump public opinion.

And yes, the first section of my original post was indeed made in jest. I was being silly :)


What if there were many benefits to society in general from repealing prohibition?

Less crowded jails, less gang income/violence, focus on real crimes at the police level, potentially less state and federal taxes, less tigma on users so they can get help without being scared of arrest...

I don't like the people that use, either. Why would I be in favor of having what they do decriminalized, putting more of them back into society? It's worth the higher tax IMHO.

But like I said, I'm not gonna cry a river if it does get legalized, but I'm not gonna help it happen.


Why don't you like people who use weed?
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Postby Parthenon » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:24 pm

Sdaeriji wrote:
Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:If a person is actually in pain there are dozens of alternatives ranging from fentanyl to simple acetaminophen. "Pain" is not a valid excuse in the least bit.

Concentration, same thing.

Homicidal maniac? Asylums work for that.


Here's a thought, how about you just stop giving a shit about what other people do if they leave you alone?

When drugged up teenagers stop getting behind the wheel under the excuse that "Marijuana doesn't affect my driving as much as alcohol" then I will stop "giving a shit".


Then you support the illegalization of alcohol, right?

Not at all. Alcohol has uses other than escaping reality. Alcohol operates as a preservative, antiseptic, is high in calories, and is responsible for colonization of the new world by means of allowing long ocean travel in the days of old.
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Postby Sarkhaan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:24 pm

Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:When drugged up teenagers stop getting behind the wheel under the excuse that "Marijuana doesn't affect my driving as much as alcohol" then I will stop "giving a shit".


Because the only way to stop DUI is to ban substances.

I suggest you learn the differentiation between DUI and DWI...

As do I for you. Some states term them DUI (driving under the influence). Some term them DWI (driving while intoxicated). Some use OWI (operating while intoxicated). They are all essentially the same thing (specific rules vary as to what is and is not intoxication, but they are all the same basic law...no driving while taking drugs)

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Postby Kobrania » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:25 pm

Parthenon wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
Parthenon wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Parthenon wrote:If a person is actually in pain there are dozens of alternatives ranging from fentanyl to simple acetaminophen. "Pain" is not a valid excuse in the least bit.

Concentration, same thing.

Homicidal maniac? Asylums work for that.


Here's a thought, how about you just stop giving a shit about what other people do if they leave you alone?

When drugged up teenagers stop getting behind the wheel under the excuse that "Marijuana doesn't affect my driving as much as alcohol" then I will stop "giving a shit".


Then you support the illegalization of alcohol, right?

Not at all. Alcohol has uses other than escaping reality. Alcohol operates both as a preservative, antiseptic, and is high in calories.

It is also a poison, you suicidal-emo-nazi-hippie!
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