For or against: Weed Legalization

[Solra]

but how healthy is this?

well, it cures cancer...

it doesn't cure cancer.

[Sumamba Buwhan]

there really isn't any need for marijuana.

similarly, there isn't any need for skateboards

what do you mean

skateboards are unhealthy. people get hurt using them. people have used them as weapons. they don't serve any real purpose in society. I don't personally want to skateboard so why should it be okay for other people to use them. and so on...

[Seithayon]

I'm happy to see that we have many intelligent people voting for the right side.
I vote 'for' the legallization of weed, because of one simple thing:
It's one of the most healthiest drug out there... I daresay it even IS the healthiest street drug there is.
Actually, did you know, deaths caused by alcohol (whether it is from driving, overdose, liver failure, etc) is more popular then death of any of the other drugs combined?
So why is alcohol legal, and weed illegal?
Actually, from studies we have found that the only way weed damages your body is by inhaling the unhealthy smoke from the paper used. So if you use the smoke inhaler (which is normally used for nicotine, made so smokers can smoke without the tar cigrettes use), there are absolutley no bad side effects of weed.
However...
Your thought processing is slowed when you smoke it, so it is still not recommended to do normal tasks while high (especially driving!!!). Weed is used very popularly as a painkiller though.

So, why should they legalize weed?
WHY NOT????

[Pevisopolis]

but how healthy is this?

well, it cures cancer...

it doesn't cure cancer.

It doesn't directly act as a cure, but it's great for recovering patients of chemotherapy. Among other things, getting high makes you Sleepy and Hungry, two of the things Chemo patients really need.

[Sumamba Buwhan]

but how healthy is this?

well, it cures cancer...

it doesn't cure cancer.

You completely skipped my reply to you. What are your arguments against it?

[Free Soviets]

well, it cures cancer...

it doesn't cure cancer.

http://www.worldhealth.net/news/thc_ini ... s_to_dest/

[JuNii]

I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

I am for the legalization of medical Marijuana... but again, it needs tighter regulation.

You did NOT say "I am against UNREGULATED legalization" here. If you had, I wouldn't have bothered and would have instead only questioned you about what tighter regulations you would like to see on medical marijuana.

You said the reason you are against legalization it is because you've heard people that argue for legalization and didn't have any ideas on how to regulate it.

I'm not twisting your words here am I?

It's not my fault you weren't clear on what you meant.

ok, so let's examine my post

"I'm against Legalization." true, let me expand on this. while I am Against Legalization, I'm also not fighting to keep it illegal. So, yeah, I'll admit that at this point, I am against legalization... but let's look at why?

"not because I think that weed is "dangerous" " So the reason why I'm against legalization is not because I think weed is 'dangerous', a health hazard or almost all the things those against legalization state as their reasons.

"but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it."
ok, Most. not all, most of the people I talk to here (yes, I don't talk to people on the mainland, so my sampling is small) have no plans for regulations. they just want it legal for them to smoke whenever, where ever and in amounts they want, they also want to grow it. talk to them about regulations (not Restrictions) and they call that evil and give the same half baked reasons that anti-legalization people give.

Does this mean I think there is no group out there with ideas for regulation? no.

I won't blindly cry "Yes" or "No" on the simplized question of legalizing Marujiuana.

and with that in mind, I am not against legalization, but (because I really didn't state it in the beginning) I will state now that I am for responsible and regluated legalization.

[Solra]

but how healthy is this?

well, it cures cancer...

it doesn't cure cancer.

It doesn't directly act as a cure, but it's great for recovering patients of chemotherapy. Among other things, getting high makes you Sleepy and Hungry, two of the things Chemo patients really need.

I concede you guys are right weed should be legal.There's really no need for it to be illegal.

[Seithayon]

but how healthy is this?

well, it cures cancer...

...I hope you aren't that idiotic.
It, of course, doesn't cure cancer. Medical marajuana is popularly given to cancer patients as a painkiller, by it doesn't cure it.

I'm not saying there's no cure to cancer... there probably is, but the government makes so much money with cancer treatments, why the hell would they make the cure public?

[Free Soviets]

there really isn't any need for marijuana.

similarly, there isn't any need for skateboards

what do you mean

i mean that your argument is an argument for the prohibition of skateboards, twinkies, golf clubs, edible underwear, birthday cards, cotton balls, coconuts...

i mean that your argument is really stupid.

[Sumamba Buwhan]

I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

I am for the legalization of medical Marijuana... but again, it needs tighter regulation.

You did NOT say "I am against UNREGULATED legalization" here. If you had, I wouldn't have bothered and would have instead only questioned you about what tighter regulations you would like to see on medical marijuana.

You said the reason you are against legalization it is because you've heard people that argue for legalization and didn't have any ideas on how to regulate it.

I'm not twisting your words here am I?

It's not my fault you weren't clear on what you meant.

ok, so let's examine my post

"I'm against Legalization." true, let me expand on this. while I am Against Legalization, I'm also not fighting to keep it illegal. So, yeah, I'll admit that at this point, I am against legalization... but let's look at why?

"not because I think that weed is "dangerous" " So the reason why I'm against legalization is not because I think weed is 'dangerous', a health hazard or almost all the things those against legalization state as their reasons.

"but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it."
ok, Most. not all, most of the people I talk to here (yes, I don't talk to people on the mainland, so my sampling is small) have no plans for regulations. they just want it legal for them to smoke whenever, where ever and in amounts they want, they also want to grow it. talk to them about regulations (not Restrictions) and they call that evil and give the same half baked reasons that anti-legalization people give.

Does this mean I think there is no group out there with ideas for regulation? no.

I won't blindly cry "Yes" or "No" on the simplized question of legalizing Marujiuana.

and with that in mind, I am not against legalization, but (because I really didn't state it in the beginning) I will state now that I am for responsible and regluated legalization.

Don't force me to use an inane analogy as to why it's not good policy to be against legalizing something because somebody online had a bad argument.

You specifically said that you have heard the good arguments, didn't you?

[Solra]

but how healthy is this?

well, it cures cancer...

...I hope you aren't that idiotic.
It, of course, doesn't cure cancer. Medical marajuana is popularly given to cancer patients as a painkiller, by it doesn't cure it.

I'm not saying there's no cure to cancer... there probably is, but the government makes so much money with cancer treatments, why the hell would they make the cure public?

That's exactly what I think.

[Northern Delmarva]

Legalise it.
Tax the fuck out of it.
Win.

[The Blaatschapen]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I as a dutchie am in favour.

Why?

Because if the stuff gets legal over there (regardless of where "there" is) then it means less drugs tourism here in the Netherlands. And since drugs tourism is a problem here, it would solve "our" problem because then the drug tourists can stay at home and do their smoking over there

So go for it, you'll also notice that once you legalise it, that it will get less of a "cool thing to do".

[JuNii]

Don't force me to use an inane analogy as to why it's not good policy to be against legalizing something because somebody online had a bad argument.

You specifically said that you have heard the good arguments, didn't you?

unfortunatly, I can't use that excuse.

as I said, I TALKED to people.

So no. all my stated experiences with the 'pro legalization' crowed has not been online but though face to face conversations. tho the ones that had some ideas about regulations were more often online than not.

[Free Soviets]

but how healthy is this?

well, it cures cancer...

...I hope you aren't that idiotic.

see my link a few posts ago. or, you know, do a google.

do try to keep up, this stuff has been public knowledge for a few years now

I'm not saying there's no cure to cancer... there probably is, but the government makes so much money with cancer treatments, why the hell would they make the cure public?

medical science does not work that way.

[Aelosia]

but how healthy is this?

well, it cures cancer...

...I hope you aren't that idiotic.
It, of course, doesn't cure cancer. Medical marajuana is popularly given to cancer patients as a painkiller, by it doesn't cure it.

I'm not saying there's no cure to cancer... there probably is, but the government makes so much money with cancer treatments, why the hell would they make the cure public?

Are you aware that Cancer is not just "one disease"?

[Seithayon]

medical science does not work that way.

How do you even know that? Almost everyone is corrupt nowadays. It's just like precious metal and gas... you do realize that it's not all that rare. They just say it is, and because they say so, you believe it.

If you don't want to become eaten up in this world, you have to question everything in life... you should watch the Truman Show (I think that was what it was called) with Jim Carrey. Who knows... life could be a big fake created by the government for all we know.
Or like the matrix... but not so much that... far-fetched.

[Tunizcha]

Legalise it.
Tax the fuck out of it.
Win.

1) Legalize marijuana
2) Tax the shit out of it
3) ???
4) Profit


Quite literally...

[Northern Delmarva]

medical science does not work that way.

How do you even know that? Almost everyone is corrupt nowadays. It's just like precious metal and gas... you do realize that it's not all that rare. They just say it is, and because they say so, you believe it.

Because I find gold and silver in my backyard every day, and the ebil government takes it from me...

[Free Soviets]

medical science does not work that way.

How do you even know that? Almost everyone is corrupt nowadays. It's just like precious metal and gas... you do realize that it's not all that rare. They just say it is, and because they say so, you believe it.

If you don't want to become eaten up in this world, you have to question everything in life... you should watch the Truman Show (I think that was what it was called) with Jim Carrey. Who knows... life could be a big fake created by the government for all we know.
Or like the matrix... but not so much that... far-fetched.

yea, i think i'm gonna go with my non-conspiracy theory understanding of life. it fits the facts better and doesn't require as many secret and not-even-plausible motives

[Sdaeriji]

medical science does not work that way.

How do you even know that? Almost everyone is corrupt nowadays. It's just like precious metal and gas... you do realize that it's not all that rare. They just say it is, and because they say so, you believe it.

If you don't want to become eaten up in this world, you have to question everything in life... you should watch the Truman Show (I think that was what it was called) with Jim Carrey. Who knows... life could be a big fake created by the government for all we know.
Or like the matrix... but not so much that... far-fetched.

So your evidence that marijuana won't be legalized is two movies?

[Sumamba Buwhan]

Don't force me to use an inane analogy as to why it's not good policy to be against legalizing something because somebody online had a bad argument.

You specifically said that you have heard the good arguments, didn't you?

unfortunatly, I can't use that excuse.

as I said, I TALKED to people.

So no. all my stated experiences with the 'pro legalization' crowed has not been online but though face to face conversations. tho the ones that had some ideas about regulations were more often online than not.

Oh yeah, I misread that. Still, the same applies.

[Tunizcha]

medical science does not work that way.

How do you even know that? Almost everyone is corrupt nowadays. It's just like precious metal and gas... you do realize that it's not all that rare. They just say it is, and because they say so, you believe it.

If you don't want to become eaten up in this world, you have to question everything in life... you should watch the Truman Show (I think that was what it was called) with Jim Carrey. Who knows... life could be a big fake created by the government for all we know.
Or like the matrix... but not so much that... far-fetched.

So your evidence that marijuana won't be legalized is two movies?

Three, if you count the original.

[The Blaatschapen]

Legalise it.
Tax the fuck out of it.
Win.

1) Legalize marijuana
2) Tax the shit out of it
3) ???
4) Profit


Quite literally...

That's actually the idea that at least 1 dutch party has (weed is legal, the selling is to the customer is as well, but there are some illegal edges which I will not eleborate on, but it makes taxing hard)