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Cecilia Penifader
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Postby Cecilia Penifader » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:46 pm

Legalize it.

I don't do illegal drugs. I never have. I don't befriend people who smoke pot on even a semi-regular basis. They're boring and they don't realize it because they're all stoned.

Still, though, I have no interest in begrudging people their stupid pastimes.


Flameswroth wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Flameswroth wrote:That's right. I'm pleased how well you understand my stance. Usually you have to explain things at length to people on the Interwebs to get them to understand.


And you vote with reasoning skills like that? Humanity's fucked.

Because the fate of humanity depends on the ability for men to get high in whatever manner they please, am I right?

Don't be so dramatic, guy :P


I'm not your guy, fwiend.
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Flameswroth
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Postby Flameswroth » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:48 pm

JuNii wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
JuNii wrote:I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

considering how much chemicals are added legally to Cigarettes?

that doesn't really instil alot of confidence in me... :p

True, especially since the people with the infrastructure to mass produce marijuana are probably those self-same tobacco companies.

I picture a 'hybrid cigarette', where they replace a bit of tobacco with marijuana, like they do with ethanol in gasoline. It'd probably be regarded as some sort of premium, gourmet cigarette of sorts, and the cost would likely reflect that.
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Sumamba Buwhan
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Postby Sumamba Buwhan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:48 pm

JuNii wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
JuNii wrote:I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

considering how much chemicals are added legally to Cigarettes?

that doesn't really instil alot of confidence in me... :p


What about treating it like a far less dangerous and less addictive version of alcohol?
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Postby Flameswroth » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:49 pm

Cecilia Penifader wrote:Legalize it.

I don't do illegal drugs. I never have. I don't befriend people who smoke pot on even a semi-regular basis. They're boring and they don't realize it because they're all stoned.

Still, though, I have no interest in begrudging people their stupid pastimes.


Flameswroth wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Flameswroth wrote:That's right. I'm pleased how well you understand my stance. Usually you have to explain things at length to people on the Interwebs to get them to understand.


And you vote with reasoning skills like that? Humanity's fucked.

Because the fate of humanity depends on the ability for men to get high in whatever manner they please, am I right?

Don't be so dramatic, guy :P


I'm not your guy, fwiend.

I'm not your fwend, buddeh!
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Greenyville
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Postby Greenyville » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:50 pm

Cecilia Penifader wrote:Legalize it.

I don't do illegal drugs. I never have. I don't befriend people who smoke pot on even a semi-regular basis. They're boring and they don't realize it because they're all stoned.

Still, though, I have no interest in begrudging people their stupid pastimes.


Flameswroth wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Flameswroth wrote:That's right. I'm pleased how well you understand my stance. Usually you have to explain things at length to people on the Interwebs to get them to understand.


And you vote with reasoning skills like that? Humanity's fucked.

Because the fate of humanity depends on the ability for men to get high in whatever manner they please, am I right?

Don't be so dramatic, guy :P


I'm not your guy, fwiend.

im not your friend, buddeh!!!
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Postby Sumamba Buwhan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:50 pm

Flameswroth wrote:
Cecilia Penifader wrote:Legalize it.

I don't do illegal drugs. I never have. I don't befriend people who smoke pot on even a semi-regular basis. They're boring and they don't realize it because they're all stoned.

Still, though, I have no interest in begrudging people their stupid pastimes.


Flameswroth wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Flameswroth wrote:That's right. I'm pleased how well you understand my stance. Usually you have to explain things at length to people on the Interwebs to get them to understand.


And you vote with reasoning skills like that? Humanity's fucked.

Because the fate of humanity depends on the ability for men to get high in whatever manner they please, am I right?

Don't be so dramatic, guy :P


I'm not your guy, fwiend.

I'm not your fwend, buddeh!


I'm not your buddy, champ.
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EvilDarkMagicians
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:50 pm

Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
JuNii wrote:I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

considering how much chemicals are added legally to Cigarettes?

that doesn't really instil alot of confidence in me... :p


What about treating it like a far less dangerous and less addictive version of alcohol?


The only reason the governments won't want to legalise it, is because you can just grow it yourself and the government wouldn't be able to make much money.

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Postby JuNii » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:52 pm

Sumamba Buwhan wrote:If it were made legal for recreational use, do you think that there would actually be no regulations put in place? Why are you against legalization just because some of the people you might know online or in person haven't thought about what regulations should be put in place? Will they be writing the laws if it were legalized? There are a lot of ridiculous analogies I could offer here but I will spare you :p
thanks. 1) I'm not against Legalization itself. I just want it done responsibly. after all, we all know how responsible we humans can be if left to our own devices. ;)

Sumamba Buwhan wrote: Look at the organizations that are at the forefront of the anti-prohibition movement. Are any of them just saying to legalize weed and not addressing the regulations that would be necessary? It almost seems as if some random unnammed stoner has mroe sway over your decision than does the well reasoned points laid out by many groups who organize anti-prohibition campaigns.
again I've stated that I've heard of those.

Sumamba Buwhan wrote:Being against something because you've heard a couple people make bad arguments doesn't add any legitimacy to your contention that there aren't good ideas put forth... only that you haven't paid attention to the good arguments by the leaders of the movement.
ok. as I said, I am NOT against legalization. you seem to be stuck on the fact that if a person is cautious, then they are obviously NOT for legalization. please, as I said, I am not for Unregulated Legalization. that is different than just "Being against something". seems like you want to argue with me, but sorry. unless you are going to argue FOR unrestrained legalization, you won't find an opponent in me.
so, as long as you're arguing for regulated legalization, which you sounded like you were, then why waste your time arguing with me?

I'm not against Legalization.
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Postby Rolling squid » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:52 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
JuNii wrote:I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

considering how much chemicals are added legally to Cigarettes?

that doesn't really instil alot of confidence in me... :p


What about treating it like a far less dangerous and less addictive version of alcohol?


The only reason the governments won't want to legalise it, is because you can just grow it yourself and the government wouldn't be able to make much money.


They'd still be saving a shit ton of cash by not having to enforce prohibition, and letting several thousand people out of prison.
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Postby Sumamba Buwhan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:53 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
JuNii wrote:I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

considering how much chemicals are added legally to Cigarettes?

that doesn't really instil alot of confidence in me... :p


What about treating it like a far less dangerous and less addictive version of alcohol?


The only reason the governments won't want to legalise it, is because you can just grow it yourself and the government wouldn't be able to make much money.


There will be many millions of people who won't want to grow it themselves and will purchase it. Plenty of money to be made. Of course I do think that people should be allowed a small number of personal plants if they do with to grow. The Government can make money off of sales of growing equipment and such as well.
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Postby Surote » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:54 pm

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Legalize the great high

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Postby Solra » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:56 pm

Kalnisov wrote:As I'm sure you can guess, this is a thread about your opinions on legalizing marijuana.

Are you for it or against it, and why?

no because this could be unhealthy and there really isn't any need for marijuana.

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Sumamba Buwhan
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Postby Sumamba Buwhan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:57 pm

JuNii wrote:I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

I am for the legalization of medical Marijuana... but again, it needs tighter regulation.


You did NOT say "I am against UNREGULATED legalization" here. If you had, I wouldn't have bothered and would have instead only questioned you about what tighter regulations you would like to see on medical marijuana.

You said the reason you are against legalization it is because you've heard people that argue for legalization and didn't have any ideas on how to regulate it.

I'm not twisting your words here am I?

It's not my fault you weren't clear on what you meant.
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Postby The Deus Corporation » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:57 pm

Well this might just be because I'm a hippie but the illegalization of weed is totally unjust.

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Postby Solra » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:59 pm

Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
JuNii wrote:I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

considering how much chemicals are added legally to Cigarettes?

that doesn't really instil alot of confidence in me... :p


What about treating it like a far less dangerous and less addictive version of alcohol?


The only reason the governments won't want to legalise it, is because you can just grow it yourself and the government wouldn't be able to make much money.


There will be many millions of people who won't want to grow it themselves and will purchase it. Plenty of money to be made. Of course I do think that people should be allowed a small number of personal plants if they do with to grow. The Government can make money off of sales of growing equipment and such as well.

but how healthy is this?

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Postby Sumamba Buwhan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:00 pm

JuNii wrote: 1) I'm not against Legalization itself. I just want it done responsibly. after all, we all know how responsible we humans can be if left to our own devices. ;)


How do you think that it can be done responsibly? You've heard the good arguments, you say, so I won't repeat them.
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Postby Greenyville » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:00 pm

Solra wrote:
Kalnisov wrote:As I'm sure you can guess, this is a thread about your opinions on legalizing marijuana.

Are you for it or against it, and why?

no because this could be unhealthy and there really isn't any need for marijuana.

it isnt for you
if other people want it what business is it of yours or mine
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Postby Sdaeriji » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:00 pm

Solra wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
JuNii wrote:I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

considering how much chemicals are added legally to Cigarettes?

that doesn't really instil alot of confidence in me... :p


What about treating it like a far less dangerous and less addictive version of alcohol?


The only reason the governments won't want to legalise it, is because you can just grow it yourself and the government wouldn't be able to make much money.


There will be many millions of people who won't want to grow it themselves and will purchase it. Plenty of money to be made. Of course I do think that people should be allowed a small number of personal plants if they do with to grow. The Government can make money off of sales of growing equipment and such as well.

but how healthy is this?


We don't ban things for being unhealthy.
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Postby Free Soviets » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:02 pm

JuNii wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
JuNii wrote:I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

considering how much chemicals are added legally to Cigarettes?

that doesn't really instil alot of confidence in me... :p

meh, everything's got additives. so what?

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Postby Tunizcha » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:02 pm

Sdaeriji wrote:
Solra wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
JuNii wrote:I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

considering how much chemicals are added legally to Cigarettes?

that doesn't really instil alot of confidence in me... :p


What about treating it like a far less dangerous and less addictive version of alcohol?


The only reason the governments won't want to legalise it, is because you can just grow it yourself and the government wouldn't be able to make much money.


There will be many millions of people who won't want to grow it themselves and will purchase it. Plenty of money to be made. Of course I do think that people should be allowed a small number of personal plants if they do with to grow. The Government can make money off of sales of growing equipment and such as well.

but how healthy is this?


We don't ban things for being unhealthy.


Case and point - alcohol.
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Postby Free Soviets » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:02 pm

Solra wrote: but how healthy is this?

well, it cures cancer...

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Postby Sumamba Buwhan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:03 pm

Solra wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Sumamba Buwhan wrote:
JuNii wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:
JuNii wrote:I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

considering how much chemicals are added legally to Cigarettes?

that doesn't really instil alot of confidence in me... :p


What about treating it like a far less dangerous and less addictive version of alcohol?


The only reason the governments won't want to legalise it, is because you can just grow it yourself and the government wouldn't be able to make much money.


There will be many millions of people who won't want to grow it themselves and will purchase it. Plenty of money to be made. Of course I do think that people should be allowed a small number of personal plants if they do with to grow. The Government can make money off of sales of growing equipment and such as well.

but how healthy is this?


Tell me how it's unhealthy and I'll try to counter your arguments.

I've already laid out links Law Enforcement arguments against prohibition. It's used medicinally and is non-addictive so there's that. It will cut out tons of gang revenue. It will free up prisons for real criminals. Nobody has ever overdosed on THC. It will save the Government billions and even make tax money.
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Postby Solra » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:04 pm

Cecilia Penifader wrote:Legalize it.

I don't do illegal drugs. I never have. I don't befriend people who smoke pot on even a semi-regular basis. They're boring and they don't realize it because they're all stoned.

Still, though, I have no interest in begrudging people their stupid pastimes.


Flameswroth wrote:
UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Flameswroth wrote:That's right. I'm pleased how well you understand my stance. Usually you have to explain things at length to people on the Interwebs to get them to understand.


And you vote with reasoning skills like that? Humanity's fucked.

Because the fate of humanity depends on the ability for men to get high in whatever manner they please, am I right?

Don't be so dramatic, guy :P


I'm not your guy, fwiend.


why should weed weed be legalize rather than the fact to get high and get profits.There really isn't any need for weed.It unhealthy and its not safe.

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Postby Free Soviets » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:04 pm

Solra wrote:there really isn't any need for marijuana.

similarly, there isn't any need for skateboards

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Postby Solra » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:05 pm

Free Soviets wrote:
Solra wrote:there really isn't any need for marijuana.

similarly, there isn't any need for skateboards

what do you mean

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