For or against: Weed Legalization

[Ewa beach]

I'm 15 and I'm against it. I know a couple of you most of you will be suprised that a teenager is against it, but ya I am.

Reason for being against?

Well it's a drug for starters and I think drugs are bad. I'm not so keen on going behind the school hitting up a joint like the rest of my generation, well most of them, not all of them.

Are you aware that coke, coffee, tea, sugar, all contain or are drugs? Are you against all drugs or just drugs that the government has decided are bad? Are you against the drugs used (for example) to reduce pain?

Well I don't drink soda, don't drink coffee or tea. Sure I eat sugar but no, I did not know that they contain or are drugs. I remind you I am 15. I'm against drugs that are so famous to my generation. Like cocain, dope, weed etc. If you can tell I'm a little disgraced of my generation. Drugs that reduce pain? Some of them like weed for example. I don't think doctors should be giving their patients that.

So you want people to suffer, you evil person you. Get into the naughty boy corner.

And yeah, you express yourself like a little kid.

No, theres millions of different types of drugs out there and you just have to use weed?

Because it's cheap and non addictive.

Non addictive? Please. Plus again there are many different cheap and non addictive drugs out there.

I'm 15 and I'm against it. I know a couple of you most of you will be suprised that a teenager is against it, but ya I am.

Reason for being against?

Well it's a drug for starters and I think drugs are bad. I'm not so keen on going behind the school hitting up a joint like the rest of my generation, well most of them, not all of them.

Are you aware that coke, coffee, tea, sugar, all contain or are drugs? Are you against all drugs or just drugs that the government has decided are bad? Are you against the drugs used (for example) to reduce pain?

Well I don't drink soda, don't drink coffee or tea. Sure I eat sugar but no, I did not know that they contain or are drugs. I remind you I am 15. I'm against drugs that are so famous to my generation. Like cocain, dope, weed etc. If you can tell I'm a little disgraced of my generation. Drugs that reduce pain? Some of them like weed for example. I don't think doctors should be giving their patients that.

Alright, that's fine if you are against it, your entitled to your own opinion. However you have yet to give a good reason as to WHY you are against it.

Or, more appropriately, why you being against it means I can't do it.

When did I say you couldn't do it?

[Rhodmhire]

Pot is for those who wish to trash their bodies with worthless chemical shit. With regard to the "alcohol banning", maybe we SHOULD make it illegal.

Yeah, that'd go over so well with everybody...

Aye, it's very likely that the very same people who were campaigning against weed for being a drug would be all up in arms about "government having no right over my body" and such...

Ah, hypocrisy...

Kyle loves hypocrisy, he'd hope right on that bandwagon.

[Sdaeriji]

But if you want a reason, it's because I think it's bad. Theres your reason, plain and simple.

You think it's bad, okay. Now why does your opinion alone mean that I should be prohibited from doing anything?

[Sumamba Buwhan]

Why don't you like people who use weed?

I see the use of perception-altering substances, from alcohol to heroin, as a form of weakness. Whether used in a recreational manner, as a coping mechanism, because of addiction...it doesn't matter. It's a physical augmentation/distortion of perceived reality, and I find the desire to indulge in that sort of thing disgusting. The reflection that has on the person using such substances is what causes my dislike for them.

Your dislike for a person using drugs/alcohol is because of how you view them? LMFAO

How does that affect you personally? People are being locked up for smoking a harmless plant and you are okay with the cost of the law enforcement, the escalated gang violence and non-violent offenders being taken out of society where they could be productive members just because you don't like them since they seem weak to you.

*shakes head in disgust*

[Ewa beach]

But if you want a reason, it's because I think it's bad. Theres your reason, plain and simple.

You think it's bad, okay. Now why does your opinion alone mean that I should be prohibited from doing anything?

Well you can, just do it illegaly and get arrested. That's fine with me.

[Sdaeriji]

But if you want a reason, it's because I think it's bad. Theres your reason, plain and simple.

You think it's bad, okay. Now why does your opinion alone mean that I should be prohibited from doing anything?

Well you can, just do it illegaly and get arrested. That's fine with me.

It being illegal is a prohibition. Explain to me why your opinion on marijuana is justification for it being illegal.

[Flameswroth]

People are being locked up for smoking a harmless plant and you are okay with the cost of the law enforcement, the escalated gang violence and non-violent offenders being taken out of society where they could be productive members just because you don't like them since they seem weak to you.

That's right. I'm pleased how well you understand my stance. Usually you have to explain things at length to people on the Interwebs to get them to understand.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

That's right. I'm pleased how well you understand my stance. Usually you have to explain things at length to people on the Interwebs to get them to understand.

And you vote with reasoning skills like that? Humanity's fucked.

[JuNii]

I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

I am for the legalization of medical Marijuana... but again, it needs tighter regulation.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

I am for the legalization of medical Marijuana... but again, it needs tighter regulation.

Why does it need to be extremely regulated?

[JuNii]

I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

I am for the legalization of medical Marijuana... but again, it needs tighter regulation.

Why does it need to be extremely regulated?

who said Extremely?

[Pevisopolis]

Non addictive? Please. Plus again there are many different cheap and non addictive drugs out there.

Such as Marijuana?

[Sumamba Buwhan]

I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

I am for the legalization of medical Marijuana... but again, it needs tighter regulation.

I linked to LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) on page one. They quickly became leaders in the repeal of prohibition and their site if full of that kind of information.

When you say "most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it", you mean that you just don't pay attention to the people who cry for legalization right?

Because every time I participate in this discussion, we don't say, just make it legal and let anyone have it and don't treat it like a drug. In general I have found the pro-legalization crowd to be very mindful of the need for regulation and usually provide details on the forms of regulation that they would agree with.

Restrictions on DUI, age barriers, sales tax money goes to rehab programs, and so on.

What restrictions would you like to see if it were legalized for non-medical use and what tighter restrictions would you like to see for the medical marijuana?

[Ecstijuanacaineroine]

I'm all for it man.

[Libt]

I'm for.
Here in the Netherlands it works fine and per ratio we have less drug users than many countries that don't legalize weed or any other drug.

[Flameswroth]

That's right. I'm pleased how well you understand my stance. Usually you have to explain things at length to people on the Interwebs to get them to understand.

And you vote with reasoning skills like that? Humanity's fucked.

Because the fate of humanity depends on the ability for men to get high in whatever manner they please, am I right?

Don't be so dramatic, guy

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Because the fate of humanity depends on the ability for men to get high in whatever manner they please, am I right?

Don't be so dramatic, guy

No, but if you vote with the same sort of reasoning on every issue, shit.

[Greenyville]

I for one believe proffessor nutt knows more about the whole affair than the government who consistantly ignore all evidence on the matter, and advice given to them by experts.

however, i feel the matter of whether it is harmful or not is immaterial - i think if you want to put something in your body its up to you, whether it be lethal or just tasty. im for the legalisation of weed, in fact its my nations currency, but im also for the legalisation of smack - dont take that to mean id ever touch the shit, but if someone wanted to its really none of my business.

anyone agree?

[Frejia]

However, there are some harmful effects (less then cigarettes) If you decide you want to use weed please use a vaporizer to reduce lung damage from particles and also don't use it before you operate any heavy machinery (especially a car, train, ect where the lives of others may depend on your reaction time)

Probably the reason why it's not been done so yet. I mean, you can TEST for alcohol levels; I've yet to know of a reliable scientific test for weed overdosing

I for one believe proffessor nutt knows more about the whole affair than the government who consistantly ignore all evidence on the matter, and advice given to them by experts.

however, i feel the matter of whether it is harmful or not is immaterial - i think if you want to put something in your body its up to you, whether it be lethal or just tasty. im for the legalisation of weed, in fact its my nations currency, but im also for the legalisation of smack - dont take that to mean id ever touch the shit, but if someone wanted to its really none of my business.

anyone agree?

Well... especially in nations with a nationally funded health service; what people do to their bodies is *everyone's* business. Because everyone is paying for it's upkeep.

[JuNii]

I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

I am for the legalization of medical Marijuana... but again, it needs tighter regulation.

I linked to LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) on page one. They quickly became leaders in the repeal of prohibition and their site if full of that kind of information.

When you say "most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it", you mean that you just don't pay attention to the people who cry for legalization right?

Not at all. you see, when I said *MOST* it doesn't mean *ALL* so yes, I know about groups who have ideas about regulations and structure. however, of those I did talk to, some don't want any form of regualtion and others never even thought that far. so it's not a put down on the overall "Legalization movement" just a desire to see clearer heads prevail.

Because every time I participate in this discussion, we don't say, just make it legal and let anyone have it and don't treat it like a drug. In general I have found the pro-legalization crowd to be very mindful of the need for regulation and usually provide details on the forms of regulation that they would agree with.

and that's great, but I've been in conversations where the opposite is true.

What restrictions would you like to see if it were legalized for non-medical use and what tighter restrictions would you like to see for the medical marijuana?

I said Tighter Regulations. not Restrictions. more to insure that it's those who need it for medical reasons can get it without fear of arrest while those who try to cheat the system get caught.

[Greenyville]

However, there are some harmful effects (less then cigarettes) If you decide you want to use weed please use a vaporizer to reduce lung damage from particles and also don't use it before you operate any heavy machinery (especially a car, train, ect where the lives of others may depend on your reaction time)

Probably the reason why it's not been done so yet. I mean, you can TEST for alcohol levels; I've yet to know of a reliable scientific test for weed overdosing

I for one believe proffessor nutt knows more about the whole affair than the government who consistantly ignore all evidence on the matter, and advice given to them by experts.

however, i feel the matter of whether it is harmful or not is immaterial - i think if you want to put something in your body its up to you, whether it be lethal or just tasty. im for the legalisation of weed, in fact its my nations currency, but im also for the legalisation of smack - dont take that to mean id ever touch the shit, but if someone wanted to its really none of my business.

anyone agree?

Well... especially in nations with a nationally funded health service; what people do to their bodies is *everyone's* business. Because everyone is paying for it's upkeep.

and this is exactly why socialism is bad for freedom
if national healthcare is present in our theoretical
you could always be turned down treatment saying you brought it on yourself, sign a waiver saying you will take x and wont expect treatment for any result of that... would work fine. at least that allows personal choice

[Free Soviets]

I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

[JuNii]

here's an honest question...

how many examples of people growing there own tobacco plants for their own use are there?

[JuNii]

I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

approximately tobacco-rules are typically assumed. what more do we need?

considering how much chemicals are added legally to Cigarettes?

that doesn't really instil alot of confidence in me...

[Sumamba Buwhan]

I'm against Legalization. not because I think that weed is "dangerous" but the fact that most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it.

come up with sensible forms of regulating it, then we'll talk.

I am for the legalization of medical Marijuana... but again, it needs tighter regulation.

I linked to LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) on page one. They quickly became leaders in the repeal of prohibition and their site if full of that kind of information.

When you say "most who cry for Legalization don't think about any form of regulation for it", you mean that you just don't pay attention to the people who cry for legalization right?

Not at all. you see, when I said *MOST* it doesn't mean *ALL* so yes, I know about groups who have ideas about regulations and structure. however, of those I did talk to, some don't want any form of regualtion and others never even thought that far. so it's not a put down on the overall "Legalization movement" just a desire to see clearer heads prevail.

Because every time I participate in this discussion, we don't say, just make it legal and let anyone have it and don't treat it like a drug. In general I have found the pro-legalization crowd to be very mindful of the need for regulation and usually provide details on the forms of regulation that they would agree with.

and that's great, but I've been in conversations where the opposite is true.

What restrictions would you like to see if it were legalized for non-medical use and what tighter restrictions would you like to see for the medical marijuana?

I said Tighter Regulations. not Restrictions. more to insure that it's those who need it for medical reasons can get it without fear of arrest while those who try to cheat the system get caught.

If it were made legal for recreational use, do you think that there would actually be no regulations put in place? Why are you against legalization just because some of the people you might know online or in person haven't thought about what regulations should be put in place? Will they be writing the laws if it were legalized? There are a lot of ridiculous analogies I could offer here but I will spare you

Look at the organizations that are at the forefront of the anti-prohibition movement. Are any of them just saying to legalize weed and not addressing the regulations that would be necessary? It almost seems as if some random unnammed stoner has mroe sway over your decision than does the well reasoned points laid out by many groups who organize anti-prohibition campaigns.

Being against something because you've heard a couple people make bad arguments doesn't add any legitimacy to your contention that there aren't good ideas put forth... only that you haven't paid attention to the good arguments by the leaders of the movement.

Okay you said you want tighter regulations and not restrictions... fair enough.... so you want regulations that enforce restrictions against people who might be getting marijuana for recreational use.

Those who need it now can get it without fear of arrest because the Federal Govt are no longer pursuing legit medical marijuana clinics.

Who's cheating the system and not getting caught? Are you just making stuff up here? You don't think there are laws against people cheating the system already? How could they change the existing laws to suit your fancy?