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Postby Serrland » Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:52 am

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Or perhaps, without a publicly known claimant. I can see dear, sweet old Berlusconi fashioning himself as Emperor during his Bunga Bunga parties.

There's nothing left to claim. Not only did Francis II relinquish his claim, he dissolved the Empire itself.


In fairness, there wasn't even much of an Empire to dissolve - just a sad, fractured, title that was more ceremonial than anything. Still, though, a bit sad to see it go, even though it had been an inevitability for centuries.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:44 am

I would prevent the creation of VX. that stuff is nasty in a way that cannot be described. :shock:
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Postby Nova Carpathia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:47 am

Can we go back in time and prevent My Little Pony from existing
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Postby Kanadrin » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:51 am

Prevent Germany from invading Belgium and just hitting France full on in WW1.

Thus,

-Britain would not have joined the war (at least, as early)
-France would suffer more casualties
-Germany could have potentially won WW1

If Germany would have won WW1, Hitler would not achieve his power, hate wars would not evolve, the nuclear bomb would not have been invented as early, and current affairs would not happen.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:55 am

Britain never loses the revolutionary war and remains the world's superpower for the centuries to come.

Also, the Imperial Federation happens.
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Postby Fabistan » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:56 am

Kill Hitler while he was in prison, before he wrote Mein Kampf. If there's a downside to that, I don't know what it is.

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Postby Kanadrin » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:59 am

Fabistan wrote:Kill Hitler while he was in prison, before he wrote Mein Kampf. If there's a downside to that, I don't know what it is.


The weak Weimer Republic would fall to the communist revolutions?
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Postby Nova Carpathia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:59 am

Fabistan wrote:Kill Hitler while he was in prison, before he wrote Mein Kampf. If there's a downside to that, I don't know what it is.


The downside is that Hitler would've been replaced by someone who was probably much more competent and less of an idealist. Nationalism was on the rise anyway, and a more stable-minded person at the helm might have allowed Germany to win the war.
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Postby Rhodenne » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:11 am

Have outcomes and evolutions of certain developments and conflicts altered; such as the War of the Succession of Flanders and Hainault, the Eighty Years War (aka Dutch Revolt) and/or perhaps the Belgian Revolution. In other words, the Low Countries would still be a unified country at its maximum extend. This 'new realm' of the Netherlands would consist modern Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxemburg, French Flanders and parts of western Germany such as Cleves and Geldern.

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Postby Gigaverse » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:19 am

Arumdaum wrote:Japan's economy stabilizes itself and doesn't end up crashing, surpassing America as the largest economy...

... and forever remains that way. That's what happen if I could change history.
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Postby Thronegaria » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:20 am

I would have saved Mayans, Incas and Aztecs.

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Postby Conscentia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:27 am

Kanadrin wrote:Prevent Germany from invading Belgium and just hitting France full on in WW1.

Thus,

-Britain would not have joined the war (at least, as early)
-France would suffer more casualties
-Germany could have potentially won WW1

If Germany would have won WW1, Hitler would not achieve his power, hate wars would not evolve, the nuclear bomb would not have been invented as early, and current affairs would not happen.

If Germany won, anti-Semitism, which was a problem in Germany before the Nazis, would never have been discredited by the actions of the Nazis.
Without the threat of nuclear war, war in general would be made more likely.
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Postby Conscentia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:29 am

Fabistan wrote:Kill Hitler while he was in prison, before he wrote Mein Kampf. If there's a downside to that, I don't know what it is.

The actions of the Nazis would never have been discredited. Welcome to a Europe divided between fascism & authoritarian socialism/state capitalism. Anti-Semitism in Germany. Continued imperialism.
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Postby Thronegaria » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:31 am

WW2 brought a series of advances
without it the world would be very different, and probably worse

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Postby Conscentia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:38 am

New(est) list of changes to history:
Remove Josef Stalin from history.
Or/And Remove King Josiah from history.
Or/And Remove George Washington from history.
Or/And Remove Jesus of Nazareth from history.
Or/And Prevent the burning of the Library of Alexandria.
Or/And Save Archimedes from the Roman soldier who killed him.
Or/And Ensure that the Antikythera mechanism was never lost.
Or/And Save native American nations.
Or/And Remove Oliver Cromwell from history.
Or/And Remove Ayn Rand from history.
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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:47 am

Conscentia wrote:New(est) list of changes to history:
Remove Josef Stalin from history.
Or/And Remove George Washington from history.
Or/And Remove Jesus of Nazareth from history.
Or/And Prevent the burning of the Library of Alexandria.
Or/And Save Archimedes from the Roman soldier who killed him.
Or/And Ensure that the Antikythera mechanism was never lost.
Or/And Saved native American nations.
Or/And Remove Oliver Cromwell from history.
Or/And Remove Ayn Rand from history.

you do realize that washington was just lucky right, we could end up with benedict arnold in command. which speaking of his track record might have won it for us even faster.

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Postby Serrland » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:48 am

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Conscentia wrote:New(est) list of changes to history:
Remove Josef Stalin from history.
Or/And Remove George Washington from history.
Or/And Remove Jesus of Nazareth from history.
Or/And Prevent the burning of the Library of Alexandria.
Or/And Save Archimedes from the Roman soldier who killed him.
Or/And Ensure that the Antikythera mechanism was never lost.
Or/And Saved native American nations.
Or/And Remove Oliver Cromwell from history.
Or/And Remove Ayn Rand from history.

you do realize that washington was just lucky right, we could end up with benedict arnold in command. which speaking of his track record might have won it for us even faster.


Calling it luck does a disservice to Washington's personal politicking ability within the Continental Congress.

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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:55 am

Serrland wrote:
United Kingdom of Poland wrote:you do realize that washington was just lucky right, we could end up with benedict arnold in command. which speaking of his track record might have won it for us even faster.


Calling it luck does a disservice to Washington's personal politicking ability within the Continental Congress.

I meant on the battlefield how many other generals do you know that are considered good even after losing most of a countries big cities.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:59 am

Conscentia wrote:If Germany won, anti-Semitism, which was a problem in Germany before the Nazis, would never have been discredited by the actions of the Nazis.
Without the threat of nuclear war, war in general would be made more likely.
Conscentia wrote:The actions of the Nazis would never have been discredited. Welcome to a Europe divided between fascism & authoritarian socialism/state capitalism. Anti-Semitism in Germany. Continued imperialism.
Antisemitism was a phenomenon stretching all over Europe. The name 'Dreyfuss' may tell you something. The notion that an imperial Germany that became ever more accepting of its minorities - I.e. Wilhelm II reversing Bismarck's anti-Polish policies - would still pop up a third-Reich-esque society is ludicrous, given that countries that had bigger problems in these regards - France, Russia - didn't.

Imperialism in its 19th century variant would be financially and demographically unsustainable regardless of who wins wars at what costs - the colonial empires may survive for another few decades (Though that's stretching it), but their economic failure and demographic pressures would kill them off, anyway.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:00 am

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Serrland wrote:
Calling it luck does a disservice to Washington's personal politicking ability within the Continental Congress.

I meant on the battlefield how many other generals do you know that are considered good even after losing most of a countries big cities.
Frederick II. Wellington (Spanish campaigns).

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Postby Conscentia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:06 am

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:you do realize that washington was just lucky right, we could end up with benedict arnold in command. which speaking of his track record might have won it for us even faster.

I could settle for a shorter war, if it would not result in British America.

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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:10 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
United Kingdom of Poland wrote:I meant on the battlefield how many other generals do you know that are considered good even after losing most of a countries big cities.
Frederick II. Wellington (Spanish campaigns).

for wellington again lucky if it wasn't for the fact that Ney jumped the gun at Waterloo, he wouldn't be considered good.

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Postby Conscentia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:10 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
Conscentia wrote:If Germany won, anti-Semitism, which was a problem in Germany before the Nazis, would never have been discredited by the actions of the Nazis.
Without the threat of nuclear war, war in general would be made more likely.
Conscentia wrote:The actions of the Nazis would never have been discredited. Welcome to a Europe divided between fascism & authoritarian socialism/state capitalism. Anti-Semitism in Germany. Continued imperialism.
Antisemitism was a phenomenon stretching all over Europe. The name 'Dreyfuss' may tell you something. The notion that an imperial Germany that became ever more accepting of its minorities - I.e. Wilhelm II reversing Bismarck's anti-Polish policies - would still pop up a third-Reich-esque society is ludicrous, given that countries that had bigger problems in these regards - France, Russia - didn't.

Imperialism in its 19th century variant would be financially and demographically unsustainable regardless of who wins wars at what costs - the colonial empires may survive for another few decades (Though that's stretching it), but their economic failure and demographic pressures would kill them off, anyway.

If a Third Reich like state did appear anyway, it would make the Nazis unnecessary, thus no problem. The problem is a lack of Third Reich to discredit itself, it's actions, and similar actions.

I said continued imperialism, not eternal imperialism.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:11 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
United Kingdom of Poland wrote:I meant on the battlefield how many other generals do you know that are considered good even after losing most of a countries big cities.
Frederick II. Wellington (Spanish campaigns).


Alfred the Great. Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck.....

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Postby Redernia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:12 am

Alimprad wrote:
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Has it occurred to you that this statement was both inaccurate and rude?


no to the first question, yes to the second.

Redernia wrote:Assasinate that idiot, Adolf Hitler, of course.

what problem have you got with hitler? :eyebrow:


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