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Postby DrakoBlaria » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:43 am

Farnhamia wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:I would start the Greek revolution about a year earlier. I would like to see what Napoleon would do

The Greek Revolution started in 1821, by which time Napoleon had been out of power and on a rock in the South Atlantic for six years. In fact, died in 1821. The Filiki Eteria was founded in 1814 but the Emperor was a little busy that year to take much notice of a revolutionary organization that consisted of three men and was only whispered about.


For a weird reason I thought waterloo was in 1820 and not 1815.... not sure why. Did something importan happen about Napi or France in 1820?
Anyways my point is that the revolution starts while Napoleon is still head of France, wether that makes the revolution happen sooner or Napoleon winning against all of Europe
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:46 am

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Farnhamia wrote:The Greek Revolution started in 1821, by which time Napoleon had been out of power and on a rock in the South Atlantic for six years. In fact, died in 1821. The Filiki Eteria was founded in 1814 but the Emperor was a little busy that year to take much notice of a revolutionary organization that consisted of three men and was only whispered about.


For a weird reason I thought waterloo was in 1820 and not 1815.... not sure why. Did something importan happen about Napi or France in 1820?
Anyways my point is that the revolution starts while Napoleon is still head of France, wether that makes the revolution happen sooner or Napoleon winning against all of Europe

1820? Nothing particularly important about that year. Napoleon was sitting on St. Helena and France was being France.

I have no idea how Imperial France would have reacted to a Greek revolt in, say, 1810 or 1811. You would have to do it before Napoleon decided to invade Russia. After that he's on the downward slope.
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Postby Ottozum Empire » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:46 am

I'll have the turks win the battle of vieena :)
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Postby Fintanland » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:48 am

Ottozum Empire wrote:I'll have the turks win the battle of vieena :)

What would that achieve? Even if they had won, that would have just made the eventual reconquest longer and bloodier. There is no way the Sultanate could have held onto that much land forever. They did not achieve that even when it was much less land.
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Postby Das-husland » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:49 am

Have Australia win at Gallipoli.

:P Australia and her own bit of turkey.
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Postby Bolden » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:07 am

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Postby Megale Epeiros » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:08 am

Philip and Alexander die at Chaeronea. Macedon has to rely on its remaining weak kings. Thebes is allowed to expand unchecked, while Athens languishes, dreaming of better days. Macedon is destroyed by the rest of Hellas, who join forces to expel the 'barbarians', or probably just Thebes and Athens, since such a League is mostly impossible. The Hellenic poleis continue fighting each other. Persia is never conquered but fractures into independent satrapies. Hellenisation of Asia never occurs.

Pyrrhus of Epirus never tries to invade Rome. Rome remains a republic, and never grows to its fullest extent. Carthage expands into an empire that has total hegemony of the western Mediterranean. Carthage becomes center of learning in the known world. Meanwhile, back in Persia, Parthia, while never Hellenised, conquers all of Persia, and is allowed to expand all the way to Turkey and the Levant, as Rome is not there to stop them. The Sassanids are butterflied out, and Parthia happens to learn the valuable lesson of centralisation. Also the Migration Period occurs.

Fast forward a couple centuries. Carthaginians discover the New World. Celtic colonisers battle it out with Carthage in Western America. Islamic Parthia is beset by Mongol invasions, but ultimately emerge victorious. Germanic nations invade Carthaginian territories in Europe. Rome rises, takes the northern Balkans, also establishes colonies in Canada. Hellas is united under the Theban banner and fights off Germanic and Slavic neighbours, before expanding eastwards. Parthia invades Egypt. Also establishes colonies in the New World.

World War. Carthage, Thebes and Germanics against Rome, Parthia and Celts. Why, I have no idea. I'm really sleepy.

tl;dr Philip and Alexander die at Chaeronea. The world is never the same again.
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Postby Kouralia » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:44 am

Britain keeps America as a colony, and eventually it becomes the USA as a Commonwealth Nation.
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Postby Soviet Kogarah » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:53 am

Probably take a couple of textbooks back in time and do a little bit of a manipulation around Europe in the post WW1 to WW2 period. Help out the Spartacists in Germany and the Anarchists in Spain. Delegate Stalin to a Commissar of Watching Ice Melt on the River Ob. Manipulate the Bolsheviks into liberalising post civil war and get Hitler accepted into art school. Persuade Mussolini to take up promising proletarian career as a longshoreman. Get Franco into cabaret and tell Salazar to loosen up a little. Then unite Europe into a decentralised union of socialist communes. Easy as.
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Postby Soviet Kogarah » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:56 am

Das-husland wrote:Have Australia win at Gallipoli.

:P Australia and her own bit of turkey.


More likely knock Turkey out of the war in 1915, be able to deliver more supplies to Russia and divert troops from the Middle Eastern theatre. The Allies could even win a little quicker, and Russia might not turn red, or at least only for a little while.
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Postby Czechanada » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:18 am

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Postby The Cosmos » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:20 am

What in the name of Betty White is going on here?
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Postby Cosara » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:24 am

The Cosmos wrote:What in the name of Betty White is going on here?

I really do not know...
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Postby Congotar » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:27 am

make sure Trujillo never rose to power he was a dictator in the dominican republic..
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Postby Morrdh » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:34 am

Stop the British-Japanese Alliance from being dissolved during the 1920s at the insistence of the US, Britain could keep Japan on a lease and prevent Pearl Harbour by ensuring Japan joined the Allies like she did during WW1.

Or,

Britain pre-empts Operation Paperclip and grabs most of the German rocket project before the Americans or Soviets can get their hands on it, Britain goes on to win the Space Race by planting the Union Jack on the Lunar surface and colonise the rest of the solar system....oh, somebody else had already thought of that.
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Postby Prince-Bishopric Of Liege » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:50 am

Have the British attack on the Dardanells succeed, pulling Turkey out of the war and ending WW1 a whole lot quicker...

Or on second thought, the transformation of the Russian Empire in a liberal monarchy. Would have been harder for the communists and the bloody civil war to erupt.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:55 pm

The founding fathers of america would have excised the populism from their new government entirely, instead of just attempting to cripple it.
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Postby Divair » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:06 pm

Kouralia wrote:Britain keeps America as a colony, and eventually it becomes the USA as a Commonwealth Nation.

So a larger Canada?


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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:36 pm

We wouldn't change history. The butterfly effect would be too unpredictable.
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Postby DrakoBlaria » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:38 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
For a weird reason I thought waterloo was in 1820 and not 1815.... not sure why. Did something importan happen about Napi or France in 1820?
Anyways my point is that the revolution starts while Napoleon is still head of France, wether that makes the revolution happen sooner or Napoleon winning against all of Europe

1820? Nothing particularly important about that year. Napoleon was sitting on St. Helena and France was being France.

I have no idea how Imperial France would have reacted to a Greek revolt in, say, 1810 or 1811. You would have to do it before Napoleon decided to invade Russia. After that he's on the downward slope.


Silly Russians burning down Moscow :(

Well all I know about Napoleon and Greece is that he worked with the Maniots when he was having trouble with the Turks, other than I dont know anything either. Though it would have been interesting to see how he would react
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Postby Megale Epeiros » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:59 am

Romulus and Remus rule as co-kings of Rome. Maybe Remus kills Romulus.

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Postby Almark » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:57 am

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Postby Awesomereich » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:03 am

Make Luxemburgists win German civil war.

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Postby Serrland » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:24 am

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Postby Arglorand » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:26 am

Megale Epeiros wrote:Romulus and Remus rule as co-kings of Rome. Maybe Remus kills Romulus.

Rema would've been an infinitely cooler name.

Also, I was thinking... maybe just let the Socialist Revolutionaries come out victorious after all the turmoil after the February Revolution in Russia, and let the peasants have their land, the people have their democracy, and have no Stalin coming to power?

I wouldn't be born, but that would have been nice.
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