If you could change history

[Ocarith]

Stop Barack Obama from becoming president and elect McCain or Romney.

Why are you so anti-America?

Nah, thats simply him caring about his nation. Take Obama out and our country would've recovered much faster than it did

[Conscentia]

Actually, if the US had come into the world wars at the same time as Canada both times (also known as "at the beginning"), adding 10x the forces (because ~10x the population), that would have made a pretty significant difference in the wars. They probably would have resulted in allied victories much sooner.

well speaking about how the Brits tended to treat the commonwealth soliders, I say that we would be better off without them in charge of us.

They're soldiers. Their professional murders. They're not there to be treated nicely.

[Lunaka]

I would prevent Archduke Franz Ferdinand from being assassinated. That way, there'd be no WW1, no WW2, and no Cold War.

[Conscentia]

Why are you so anti-America?

Nah, thats simply him caring about his nation. Take Obama out and our country would've recovered much faster than it did

You do know that the president has no control over the US budget or taxes, and that's it's congress' job, right? The recovery would have been the same, most likely.

[Death Metal]

no thats when the next revolution would start. If southerners got pissed over someone living within cannon firing distance even threatening to take their slaves away what makes you think that having someone an ocean away trying that will be any different.

Southerners wouldn't exist. (Except in a geographical sense.)

Yes they would; Georgia would have still been used as a glorified penal colony.

[The Imperium of Mann]

So just because of the corruption you want to erase a country, and all of its advancements from existence? Anyways most wars the US participated in would still have happened regardless of the us existing or not such as: both world wars, Vietnam, the gulf war, and Korea.

Actually, if the US had come into the world wars at the same time as Canada both times (also known as "at the beginning"), adding 10x the forces (because ~10x the population), that would have made a pretty significant difference in the wars. They probably would have resulted in allied victories much sooner.

Actually it would only be slightly shorter since the British, and French's retarded appeasement policy in the opening years of hitlers expansion. If they would have stepped in when he invaded the first country then it would have been ALOT shorter.

[Fintanland]

I would prevent Archduke Franz Ferdinand from being assassinated. That way, there'd be no WW1, no WW2, and no Cold War.

In theory, yes. In practice, though, Austria-Hungary was already looking for an excuse to start a war with Serbia, or they would never have posed such an unreasonable ultimatum.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

well speaking about how the Brits tended to treat the commonwealth soliders, I say that we would be better off without them in charge of us.

In the second world war it was different.

And the civilians in the combat areas would have been much better off with shorter wars.

have you never heard of dieppe, or Oranto, or (going by my great grampa's letters home)Caen
also remember that wonderful fuck up known as the WW1, throwing more men into a meat grinder does not solve the problem any faster.

[Death Metal]

Why are you so anti-America?

Nah, thats simply him caring about his nation. Take Obama out and our country would've recovered much faster than it did

No, under McCain or Romney we'd have complete meltdown.

[Conscentia]

I would prevent Archduke Franz Ferdinand from being assassinated. That way, there'd be no WW1, no WW2, and no Cold War.

The Cold War would have still happened. The US would still be "O.O Commies!!!" when looking across the oceans.
In addition, fascism would be more acceptable in Europe, having not been discredited by the propaganda the allies spread around against it.

[The Imperium of Mann]

I would prevent Archduke Franz Ferdinand from being assassinated. That way, there'd be no WW1, no WW2, and no Cold War.

That would merely delay the inevitable. The powder keg that was Europe would have blown sooner or later.

[Conscentia]

Southerners wouldn't exist. (Except in a geographical sense.)

Yes they would; Georgia would have still been used as a glorified penal colony.

Australia was an actual penal colony. They turned out fine in the end.

[Dakini]

Actually, if the US had come into the world wars at the same time as Canada both times (also known as "at the beginning"), adding 10x the forces (because ~10x the population), that would have made a pretty significant difference in the wars. They probably would have resulted in allied victories much sooner.

Actually it would only be slightly shorter since the British, and French's retarded appeasement policy in the opening years of hitlers expansion. If they would have stepped in when he invaded the first country then it would have been ALOT shorter.

Considering that World War I set the stage for World War II, it's a bit hard to say how the second one would have unfolded with a very short first war. It might not have actually even happened. A lot of the financial problems in Germany were due to being forced to pay for damages. Fewer damages means fewer debts which means a better financial state. A Germany in such conditions might not have elected Hitler and the whole war could have been averted.

Granted, the war in Asia still would have happened.

[Dakini]

I would prevent Archduke Franz Ferdinand from being assassinated. That way, there'd be no WW1, no WW2, and no Cold War.

The Cold War would have still happened. The US would still be "O.O Commies!!!" when looking across the oceans.
In addition, fascism would be more acceptable in Europe, having not been discredited by the propaganda the allies spread around against it.

You know that a lot of the Allies were European, right?

"The Allies" != "Americans"

And if the US was a commonwealth country by that point, it would have been in the war of its own accord, thus able to spread whatever propaganda it wanted anyway.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

Actually it would only be slightly shorter since the British, and French's retarded appeasement policy in the opening years of hitlers expansion. If they would have stepped in when he invaded the first country then it would have been ALOT shorter.

Considering that World War I set the stage for World War II, it's a bit hard to say how the second one would have unfolded with a very short first war. It might not have actually even happened. A lot of the financial problems in Germany were due to being forced to pay for damages. Fewer damages means fewer debts which means a better financial state. A Germany in such conditions might not have elected Hitler and the whole war could have been averted.

Granted, the war in Asia still would have happened.

unless the british and french replace the idiots in charge that were there in WW1. nothing would change.

[Fintanland]

unless the british and french replace the idiots in charge that were there in WW1. nothing would change.

With who, pray tell? All the military commanders on all sides were caught wrong-footed by the new dominance of defense and the meatgrinder it created. World War I was an attempt to adjust to a whole new kind of war.

[Conscentia]

The Cold War would have still happened. The US would still be "O.O Commies!!!" when looking across the oceans.
In addition, fascism would be more acceptable in Europe, having not been discredited by the propaganda the allies spread around against it.

You know that a lot of the Allies were European, right?

"The Allies" != "Americans"

And if the US was a commonwealth country by that point, it would have been in the war of its own accord, thus able to spread whatever propaganda it wanted anyway.

Yes I know. I don't see how that contradicts anything I posted.

And if the US was a commonwealth country by that point, it would have been in the war of its own accord, thus able to spread whatever propaganda it wanted anyway.

This is completely unrelated to that.

[The Imperium of Mann]

Actually it would only be slightly shorter since the British, and French's retarded appeasement policy in the opening years of hitlers expansion. If they would have stepped in when he invaded the first country then it would have been ALOT shorter.

Considering that World War I set the stage for World War II, it's a bit hard to say how the second one would have unfolded with a very short first war. It might not have actually even happened. A lot of the financial problems in Germany were due to being forced to pay for damages. Fewer damages means fewer debts which means a better financial state. A Germany in such conditions might not have elected Hitler and the whole war could have been averted.

Granted, the war in Asia still would have happened.

You know you could prevent all of that without erasing America.

-Make the communist revolution in Russia fail. (No USSR no Cold War.)
-Have the art school accept hitler. (Instead of being one of the most hated people in the world he could've been a successful artist. I've seen his art, and its pretty good. Plus no nazi germany, no world war 2. Although a war against Japan may have happened.)

[Conscentia]

Considering that World War I set the stage for World War II, it's a bit hard to say how the second one would have unfolded with a very short first war. It might not have actually even happened. A lot of the financial problems in Germany were due to being forced to pay for damages. Fewer damages means fewer debts which means a better financial state. A Germany in such conditions might not have elected Hitler and the whole war could have been averted.

Granted, the war in Asia still would have happened.

You know you could prevent all of that without erasing America.

-Make the communist revolution in Russia fail. (No USSR no Cold War.)
-Have the art school accept hitler. (Instead of being one of the most hated people in the world he could've been a successful artist. I've seen his art, and its pretty good. Plus no nazi germany, no world war 2. Although a war against Japan may have happened.)

The policies of the Russian Provisional Government had brought the country to the brink of catastrophe, and the country faced the threat of financial bankruptcy. The communist revolution saved Russia.

[The Imperium of Mann]

And it resulted in Stalin rising to power, and killing millions of people.

[Conscentia]

Actually it would only be slightly shorter since the British, and French's retarded appeasement policy in the opening years of hitlers expansion. If they would have stepped in when he invaded the first country then it would have been ALOT shorter.

Considering that World War I set the stage for World War II, it's a bit hard to say how the second one would have unfolded with a very short first war. It might not have actually even happened. A lot of the financial problems in Germany were due to being forced to pay for damages. Fewer damages means fewer debts which means a better financial state. A Germany in such conditions might not have elected Hitler and the whole war could have been averted.

Granted, the war in Asia still would have happened.

Long Live the Weimar Government then?

[Conscentia]

And it resulted in Stalin rising to power, and killing millions of people.

That's why if I had a time machine, my top priority would be removing Stalin from history.
I'd probably ditch him in an orphanage in modern Georgia as a child.

[Fintanland]

Long Live the Weimar Government then?

The Weimar constitution had its weaknesses (the immense power vested in the President, the weak defense mechanisms against anti-democrats...), but the republic was a well-meaning and, for some years (between the introduction of the Goldmark and the Great Depression) actually fairly successful.

[GrandKirche]

And it resulted in Stalin rising to power, and killing millions of people.

That's why if I had a time machine, my top priority would be removing Stalin from it.
I'd probably ditch him in an orphanage in modern Georgia as a child.

Because they haven't got enough problems?

[Conscentia]

That's why if I had a time machine, my top priority would be removing Stalin from it.
I'd probably ditch him in an orphanage in modern Georgia as a child.

Because they haven't got enough problems?

Most of Stalin's problems probably stemmed from his childhood. He was beaten by his father, if I recall correctly.
I doubt Georgia would have problems with an extra citizen. Most of it's problems would probably have been fixed by undoing Stalin's legacy.