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Postby Conscentia » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:09 pm

GrandKirche wrote:Prevent Labour governments in Britain. Thus saving the Empire, preventing many of the deaths in the winter of '47, the decline of Britain 1945-79 and 97-2010. Thus also probably preventing several wars in the process. As well as a LOT of evil dictators backed by the Yankees.

What, even the Labour government that fixed post-war Britain with things such as the NHS & education?
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Postby Valentir » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:10 pm

Make it so Britain won the American Revolution

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:11 pm

Valentir wrote:Make it so Britain won the American Revolution

But what about afterwards? the US would probably end up existing in the end.
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Postby Valentir » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:12 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Valentir wrote:Make it so Britain won the American Revolution

But what about afterwards? the US would probably end up existing in the end.

If Britain won then they could have keep the colonies and would've been able to put down more rebellions

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Postby The Imperium of Mann » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:14 pm

Valentir wrote:Make it so Britain won the American Revolution

Do you have a reason why you want that to happen?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:15 pm

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:But what about afterwards? the US would probably end up existing in the end.

If Britain won then they could have keep the colonies and would've been able to put down more rebellions

And eventually they would still become an independent nation, all it would do would be to add more hate and dissatisfaction with Britain in the colonies. Simply crushing rebellions is not going to end the situation there.
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Postby GrandKirche » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:16 pm

Conscentia wrote:
GrandKirche wrote:Prevent Labour governments in Britain. Thus saving the Empire, preventing many of the deaths in the winter of '47, the decline of Britain 1945-79 and 97-2010. Thus also probably preventing several wars in the process. As well as a LOT of evil dictators backed by the Yankees.

What, even the Labour government that fixed post-war Britain with things such as the NHS & education?


You mean the NHS that is horribly inefficient and the education system which only half implemented the Bevan report?
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:17 pm

The Imperium of Mann wrote:
Valentir wrote:Make it so Britain won the American Revolution

Do you have a reason why you want that to happen?

Well slavery would have been abolished sooner. The British Empire abolished slavery significantly sooner than the US did, and without a civil war.

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Postby Valentir » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:18 pm

The Imperium of Mann wrote:
Valentir wrote:Make it so Britain won the American Revolution

Do you have a reason why you want that to happen?

Why, do have problem with it? Its my view and I'm gonna keep it. America is a corrupt nation now and its lost it ways. It would be better if it never existed. Then many wars would not have happened

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Postby Conscentia » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:19 pm

GrandKirche wrote:
Conscentia wrote:What, even the Labour government that fixed post-war Britain with things such as the NHS & education?

You mean the NHS that is horribly inefficient and the education system which only half implemented the Bevan report?

More efficient than a private system, and even half is better than none.

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Postby Death Metal » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:19 pm

Ayn Rand is never born, thus keeping the worst books ever written from existing and removing her fascist cult from American society, which means we don't have totalitarian extremists like Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Barry Goldwater, Gary Johnson, etc etc trying to destroy America.
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Postby The Darwinian People » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:20 pm

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I'd have the BUF gain power in Britain.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:20 pm

Valentir wrote:
The Imperium of Mann wrote:Do you have a reason why you want that to happen?

Why, do have problem with it? Its my view and I'm gonna keep it. America is a corrupt nation now and its lost it ways. It would be better if it never existed. Then many wars would not have happened

And instead other wars, most likely a lot of whom will originate in North America, will take their place.
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Postby GrandKirche » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:22 pm

Conscentia wrote:
GrandKirche wrote:You mean the NHS that is horribly inefficient and the education system which only half implemented the Bevan report?

More efficient than a private system, and even half is better than none.


Bit hard to compare now since the old system vanished in the 1940s, but it would probably be better had it not had 60 years of political meddling.

Considering the effect on our technical skills I'd say it was a bad thing to be half-hearted.
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Postby The Imperium of Mann » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:24 pm

Valentir wrote:
The Imperium of Mann wrote:Do you have a reason why you want that to happen?

Why, do have problem with it? Its my view and I'm gonna keep it. America is a corrupt nation now and its lost it ways. It would be better if it never existed. Then many wars would not have happened

So just because of the corruption you want to erase a country, and all of its advancements from existence? Anyways most wars the US participated in would still have happened regardless of the us existing or not such as: both world wars, Vietnam, the gulf war, and Korea.

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Postby Fintanland » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:24 pm

The Darwinian People wrote:I'd have the BUF gain power in Britain.

Thus turning the UK into either a Nazi puppet, or a neutral/axis-leaning state like Spain. What would that achieve?
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Postby Dakini » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:28 pm

The Imperium of Mann wrote:
Valentir wrote:Why, do have problem with it? Its my view and I'm gonna keep it. America is a corrupt nation now and its lost it ways. It would be better if it never existed. Then many wars would not have happened

So just because of the corruption you want to erase a country, and all of its advancements from existence? Anyways most wars the US participated in would still have happened regardless of the us existing or not such as: both world wars, Vietnam, the gulf war, and Korea.

Actually, if the US had come into the world wars at the same time as Canada both times (also known as "at the beginning"), adding 10x the forces (because ~10x the population), that would have made a pretty significant difference in the wars. They probably would have resulted in allied victories much sooner.
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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:29 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Imperium of Mann wrote:Do you have a reason why you want that to happen?

Well slavery would have been abolished sooner. The British Empire abolished slavery significantly sooner than the US did, and without a civil war.

no thats when the next revolution would start. If southerners got pissed over someone living within cannon firing distance even threatening to take their slaves away what makes you think that having someone an ocean away trying that will be any different.

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Postby Death Metal » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:30 pm

Dakini wrote:
The Imperium of Mann wrote:So just because of the corruption you want to erase a country, and all of its advancements from existence? Anyways most wars the US participated in would still have happened regardless of the us existing or not such as: both world wars, Vietnam, the gulf war, and Korea.

Actually, if the US had come into the world wars at the same time as Canada both times (also known as "at the beginning"), adding 10x the forces (because ~10x the population), that would have made a pretty significant difference in the wars. They probably would have resulted in allied victories much sooner.


Even moreso if Patton wasn't in charge.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:31 pm

The Imperium of Mann wrote:
Valentir wrote:Why, do have problem with it? Its my view and I'm gonna keep it. America is a corrupt nation now and its lost it ways. It would be better if it never existed. Then many wars would not have happened

So just because of the corruption you want to erase a country, and all of its advancements from existence? Anyways most wars the US participated in would still have happened regardless of the us existing or not such as: both world wars, Vietnam, the gulf war, and Korea.

I doubt that the US would have started the Vietnam war if it were not the US. Or the gulf war. Or the Korean war.

And the World Wars would have come to swifter end as the US would have been obligated to fight in both from the beginning like Canada, South Africa, & India did.
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Postby United Kingdom of Poland » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:32 pm

Dakini wrote:
The Imperium of Mann wrote:So just because of the corruption you want to erase a country, and all of its advancements from existence? Anyways most wars the US participated in would still have happened regardless of the us existing or not such as: both world wars, Vietnam, the gulf war, and Korea.

Actually, if the US had come into the world wars at the same time as Canada both times (also known as "at the beginning"), adding 10x the forces (because ~10x the population), that would have made a pretty significant difference in the wars. They probably would have resulted in allied victories much sooner.

well speaking about how the Brits tended to treat the commonwealth soliders, I say that we would be better off without them in charge of us.

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Postby Death Metal » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:33 pm

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Well slavery would have been abolished sooner. The British Empire abolished slavery significantly sooner than the US did, and without a civil war.

no thats when the next revolution would start. If southerners got pissed over someone living within cannon firing distance even threatening to take their slaves away what makes you think that having someone an ocean away trying that will be any different.


"And then at Fort Sumpter, the British forces mowed down the rebels, making the real-life charge at Semenary Ridge look like a picnic."
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:37 pm

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Well slavery would have been abolished sooner. The British Empire abolished slavery significantly sooner than the US did, and without a civil war.

no thats when the next revolution would start. If southerners got pissed over someone living within cannon firing distance even threatening to take their slaves away what makes you think that having someone an ocean away trying that will be any different.

Southerners wouldn't exist. (Except in a geographical sense.)
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Postby Dakini » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:38 pm

United Kingdom of Poland wrote:
Dakini wrote:Actually, if the US had come into the world wars at the same time as Canada both times (also known as "at the beginning"), adding 10x the forces (because ~10x the population), that would have made a pretty significant difference in the wars. They probably would have resulted in allied victories much sooner.

well speaking about how the Brits tended to treat the commonwealth soliders, I say that we would be better off without them in charge of us.

In the second world war it was different.

And the civilians in the combat areas would have been much better off with shorter wars.
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