If you could change history

[Volnotova]

WW2 was not very religious...

O rly?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitl ... us_beliefs

Adolf Hitler was raised by a Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood and supported the Deutsche Christen church which rejected the Hebrew origins of the Gospel.[1] In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity.[2][3] Prior to World War II Hitler had promoted "positive Christianity", a movement which purged Christianity of its Jewish elements and instilled it with Nazi philosophy.

Hey folks, I see what you are trying to do here.

But no, simplistic reductionism is not the answer to everything.

Not all wars are the result of religion, population constraints, greed, familly feuds or penis envy.

Reality is quite a bit more complex than that.

And Hitler... "Christian"...

[Divair]

Hey folks, I see what you are trying to do here.

But no, simplistic reductionism is not the answer to everything.

Not all wars are the result of religion, population constraints, greed, familly feuds or penis envy.

Reality is quite a bit more complex than that.

This literally has nothing to do with what they're talking about.

And Hitler... "Christian"...

Yes, he was.

[Volnotova]

This literally has nothing to do with what they're talking about.

Actually, (I believe) it does.

Because somehow down the road "Religion" is going to be condemned as the source of (all) evil in this world.

Unless of course he DIDN'T imply Christianity was the main source of the Dark Ages (We might as well blame nutty Roman emperors for that).

Yes, he was.

Strange, I fancied him very unlike "Christ".

[Divair]

Actually, (I believe) it does.

Because somehow down the road "Religion" is going to be condemned as the source of (all) evil in this world.

Unless of course he DIDN'T imply Christianity was the main source of the Dark Ages (We might as well blame nutty Roman emperors for that).

Once people actually start doing that, then you can complain.

Strange, I fancied him very unlike "Christ".

You can attempt to judge people based on how successful they are at following a certain religion, but he was a Christian.

[Benuty]

Actually, (I believe) it does.

Because somehow down the road "Religion" is going to be condemned as the source of (all) evil in this world.

Unless of course he DIDN'T imply Christianity was the main source of the Dark Ages (We might as well blame nutty Roman emperors for that).

Once people actually start doing that, then you can complain.

Strange, I fancied him very unlike "Christ".

You can attempt to judge people based on how successful they are at following a certain religion, but he was a Christian.

I hardly call a man who orders the slaughter of millions a religious man, that's like saying the Qin Dynasty was righteous for burning & burying scholars alive.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Once people actually start doing that, then you can complain.


You can attempt to judge people based on how successful they are at following a certain religion, but he was a Christian.

I hardly call a man who orders the slaughter of millions a religious man, that's like saying the Qin Dynasty was righteous for burning & burying scholars alive.

Are you saying Pope Urban II wasn't religious, then?

[Benuty]

I hardly call a man who orders the slaughter of millions a religious man, that's like saying the Qin Dynasty was righteous for burning & burying scholars alive.

Are you saying Pope Urban II wasn't religious, then?

Well considering the utter barbarity of the 1st crusade, I'd wouldn't call him religious he is basically in the same boat with Boniface. The only relative sane members of the crusades in their entirety were Richard cour de lion & Saladin.

[Immoren]

Once people actually start doing that, then you can complain.


You can attempt to judge people based on how successful they are at following a certain religion, but he was a Christian.

I hardly call a man who orders the slaughter of millions a religious man, that's like saying the Qin Dynasty was righteous for burning & burying scholars alive.

How are non-religious and christian mutually exclusive?

[Benuty]

I hardly call a man who orders the slaughter of millions a religious man, that's like saying the Qin Dynasty was righteous for burning & burying scholars alive.

How are non-religious and christian mutually exclusive?

I should have clarified " They are religious in name only". Or if you prefer " Faith in nothing but the name"

[Divair]

Once people actually start doing that, then you can complain.


You can attempt to judge people based on how successful they are at following a certain religion, but he was a Christian.

I hardly call a man who orders the slaughter of millions a religious man, that's like saying the Qin Dynasty was righteous for burning & burying scholars alive.

You can quite easily be religious and a mass murderer.

[Lolloh]

No! We don't need some Republican who cut taxes by 60% and set up the US for a multi-trillion dollar deficit! And he was 78 when sworn into office, so he'd die anyways. If anything, I'd make a clone of Clinton, and have THAT run again. BEST. US PRESIDENT. EVER!!!!!!!!!! (And if you have a problem with me calling a clone 'THAT,' then please don't quote it and say I'm immoral. Anywho, my second one:
If I could change history, I'd
Give Hitler enough cash to live comfortably, so he wouldn't go crazy and kill 50-million-some people. If that didn't work, then make sure the bomb in the June 1944 bomb plot was close enough to blow Hitler up. And one last thing:
I'd make sure that the South seceded, so that I wouldn't have to bear seeing them drag down the rest of the country in a bout of Nazi-like extremism.

So now all of a sudden anyone from the south is a Nazi?

Not the people per saye , but the politicians are pretty much Nazis that aren't anti-semite. And considering they consider illegal immigrants to be unworthy of life, they aren't much better. Sorry, I'm writing this to fill up space, because a single word on another line drives me crazy.

[DrakoBlaria]

This would have been nice

Then again if it did, I would not have been born

[Anollasia]

Stop colonisation in North America.

[Fedeledland]

This would have been nice

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As much as I love Greeks, any point after 1300 will lead to Greeks being a minority in their own country.

[DrakoBlaria]

This would have been nice

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As much as I love Greeks, any point after 1300 will lead to Greeks being a minority in their own country.

What do you mean 1300? You mean the population of Anatolya after 1300 AD? Well this map was the Megali Idea back in 1922 and Greeks were the majority of these areas before the population exchange.

[Arglorand]

Ayn Rand is never, never, never born.

[Fedeledland]

As much as I love Greeks, any point after 1300 will lead to Greeks being a minority in their own country.

What do you mean 1300? You mean the population of Anatolya after 1300 AD? Well this map was the Megali Idea back in 1922 and Greeks were the majority of these areas before the population exchange.

That's... not true at all, there was a huge Greek minority but Turks predominated since the early Ottoman Empire in Anatolia.

[Osterr]

O rly?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitl ... us_beliefs

Hey folks, I see what you are trying to do here.

But no, simplistic reductionism is not the answer to everything.

Not all wars are the result of religion, population constraints, greed, familly feuds or penis envy.

Reality is quite a bit more complex than that.

And Hitler... "Christian"...

Hitler was a Christian. All of his highest ranked officers and members of the SS were members of the Catholic church. Only one of them got excommunicated because he married a Protestant.

Good to know the Vatican had their heads on right back then.

[DrakoBlaria]

What do you mean 1300? You mean the population of Anatolya after 1300 AD? Well this map was the Megali Idea back in 1922 and Greeks were the majority of these areas before the population exchange.

That's... not true at all, there was a huge Greek minority but Turks predominated since the early Ottoman Empire in Anatolia.

I am not talking about all of Anatolya, but most of these areas, especially Smyrna (Izmir as Turks call it) had a Greek majority back then.

[Arglorand]

Hey folks, I see what you are trying to do here.

But no, simplistic reductionism is not the answer to everything.

Not all wars are the result of religion, population constraints, greed, familly feuds or penis envy.

Reality is quite a bit more complex than that.

And Hitler... "Christian"...

Hitler was a Christian. All of his highest ranked officers and members of the SS were members of the Catholic church. Only one of them got excommunicated because he married a Protestant.

Good to know the Vatican had their heads on right back then.

Considering the Vatican at the time believed that the Jewish people in their entirety were to blame for Jesus' death, yes, Hitler was a model Christian.

[Fedeledland]

That's... not true at all, there was a huge Greek minority but Turks predominated since the early Ottoman Empire in Anatolia.

I am not talking about all of Anatolya, but most of these areas, especially Smyrna (Izmir as Turks call it) had a Greek majority back then.

Smyrna as the city? I believe so. As the region? No.

These two maps, one in the 1880s and one in the 1910s, show the proportion of Greeks and Turks (and Armenians) in Anatolia. Do notice it is a French map, not Turkish or Greek or Russian.

[Special Containment Procedures]

Woah woah people we're gettin' off-topic! Get back on or the mods will have our heads on platters!

[Purpelia]

I would go back to the first day of the first month of the first year. To the time before time was told by men other than by looking at the passage of the sun. I would visit the first tree in the first forest. And there I would cast my sight on the first of men. The first of apes to step down from the tree and seek out his fortunes on the ground bellow. As he poises to make that historic step I would level my rifle. And as his foot touches the ground so my finger would touch the trigger sending forth a bullet to strike the fear of an angry god into all of human kind.

Returning the present I would find an utopia. Men living not in houses of brick and stone but in trees, like the Evoks of the 9th moon of Endor. Grasping at the branches with their monkey feet palms and tails. Driving unicycles across vines between their homes and the industrial chimneys springing forth from Benet the canopies of genetically engineered megatrees.

And all would indeed be well.

[DrakoBlaria]

I am not talking about all of Anatolya, but most of these areas, especially Smyrna (Izmir as Turks call it) had a Greek majority back then.

Smyrna as the city? I believe so. As the region? No.

These two maps, one in the 1880s and one in the 1910s, show the proportion of Greeks and Turks (and Armenians) in Anatolia. Do notice it is a French map, not Turkish or Greek or Russian.

So according to this Smyrna and Trebizond has 1.000.000 + pop? And Smyrna was Greek majority. It is true Turks were the majority in a lot if not most areas but the Greeks were not just a minority. The Turkish population would have not been big enough to make the Greeks 'a minority in their own nation'

[Fedeledland]

Smyrna as the city? I believe so. As the region? No.

These two maps, one in the 1880s and one in the 1910s, show the proportion of Greeks and Turks (and Armenians) in Anatolia. Do notice it is a French map, not Turkish or Greek or Russian.

So according to this Smyrna and Trebizond has 1.000.000 + pop? And Smyrna was Greek majority. It is true Turks were the majority in a lot if not most areas but the Greeks were not just a minority. The Turkish population would have not been big enough to make the Greeks 'a minority in their own nation'

They've far outnumbered the Greeks for a while. And since only Thrace, Smyrna and the Pontus were mostly Greek, you'd have to take a lot of hugely populated Turkish areas.