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Postby Divair » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:01 pm

President Andrew Jackson wrote:I'd stop Adam and Eve from eating the fruit

You cannot change fictional stories, silly.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:01 pm

Divair wrote:
President Andrew Jackson wrote:I'd stop Adam and Eve from eating the fruit

You cannot change fictional stories, silly.


Yes you can. It's called fan-fic! :D

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Postby Quintium » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:03 pm

Neoconstantius wrote:I would make sure Constantinople and the Byzantine Empire never fell to the Turks.


A million times this! Palaiologos forever! In addition, I would:

  • Keep Egypt free from every new religious group starting with the Romans;
  • Make sure Europeans wouldn't reach the areas populated by the Aztecs and Mayans until the nineteenth or early twentieth century;
  • Prevent Muhammad from starting Islam;
  • Make Hindu, Confucian and Buddhist tribes invade Arabia and Africa;
  • Make sure the American Revolution ends in a British victory;
  • Prevent the First World War from occurring;
  • Make sure the Bolsheviks never take power in Russia;
  • Prevent European countries from giving up their colonies;
  • Prevent every type of immigration into Europe or North America after 1500 anno domini;
  • Prevent a Chinese communist revolution;
  • Keep Tibet independent.

And these are just some things.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:05 pm

A serious one: Mitsunari Ishida wins at Sekigahara. Or else, Yukimura Sanada wins at Osaka Castle.

Alternately, Shingen Takeda doesn't die of illness and wins Japan.
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Postby Post War America » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:24 pm

The Golden Circle States wrote:
Post War America wrote:
So... much... redundancy...

And it's so good~


Not necessarily... none of us truly have any idea what would happen to the timeline. For example:

Prevent the Civil War, congratulations, you have simply forestalled the inevitable, as eventually the issue of slavery would come to a boiling point, perhaps in the early 20th Century while Europe goes through its height of nationalism (at about the time you prevented the causation of the Great War) making the focal point of the Great War the United States, which would likely resemble the Eastern Front of the Great War, and result in mass casualties and the devastation of much agricultural lands. In addition, the Kennedies, being poor immigrants before prohibition were drafted and all killed off during the war (thus preventing the Birth of JFK) The war comes to a close with a German Victory (more on that later), and the devastation of the United States, with a massive depression from the truly worldwide Great War, and the devastation of the US gives the Socialists a much stronger footing so that in the early 20's they seize control of the government, along with the rise of French and British fascism following their defeat.

World War 2 breaks out as a war between Absolute monarchies (Germany, Russia [because you stopped the revolution], Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, and Japan) and the Fascist States (France, The British Empire, Italy, and potentially the Balkan States). Because the US is too focused on rebuilding its own economy to intervene the Second World War making it a much bloodier and drawn out process and devastating Europe again. The absolute monarchies manage to cling to existence as they rebuild from World War 2, while the Socialists push for sweeping removal of the old feudalistic and capitalistic systems. Thus the Cold War has begun, and in this run of history, the Communists didn't have to start from nothing as they would have in Russia. The monarchists lose the Cold War and a new Communist World Order reigns.

Admittedly this is a relatively far fetched possibility but it goes to show that changing anything (especially big things) can completely alter the course of history in very unexpected ways.

Note I didn't touch the Pompeii thing as the course alterations from thousands of years of skew would be obscene (more so than only 150).
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:37 pm

If there were a change that would prevent the Crisis of the Third Century in ancient Rome from occurring, I'd change that. Pretty much everything in the Empire went to hell as a result of that period and it totally killed the possibility of further economic or social development that had flourished under the Principate.
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Postby The De Danann Nation » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:40 pm

I'd change it so the Nazis won WWII.
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Postby Divair » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:41 pm

The De Danann Nation wrote:I'd change it so the Nazis won WWII.

..


What.

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Postby The USOT » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:48 pm

Have Plato and the Pythagoreans support the Ionian enlightenment rather than reject it outright.

In doing so we remove most of the philosophical basis for the enlightenment and have a far more empirically rational society from a much younger age in our history.
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Postby Kemalist » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:52 pm

I'd prevent Ataturk from drinking, so he could live a lot longer and solidify the system he established.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:52 pm

The De Danann Nation wrote:I'd change it so the Nazis won WWII.


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Postby Benuty » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:55 pm

The De Danann Nation wrote:I'd change it so the Nazis won WWII.


Because genocide is good? WTF >:(
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:11 pm

Kemalist wrote:I'd prevent Ataturk from drinking, so he could live a lot longer and solidify the system he established.


*Shrugs*

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Postby Czechanada » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:15 pm

Neoconstantius wrote:I would make sure Constantinople and the Byzantine Empire never fell to the Turks.


As I've said earlier, you'd be better off making it that the Levantine territories weren't lost to the Arabs.
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Postby Czechanada » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:16 pm

Kemalist wrote:I'd prevent Ataturk from drinking, so he could live a lot longer and solidify the system he established.


Better to encourage his opponents to start drinking, no?
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Postby The united imperial sector » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:20 pm

Towson wrote:Prevent The States of Kentucky,Tennessee and Arkansas from becoming US states and keep West Virginia a part of Virginia.

No kentucky is the state that the tommy gun was invented!

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Postby Conservative Idealism » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:21 pm

The De Danann Nation wrote:I'd change it so the Nazis won WWII.

The look on time travelers' faces when there aren't any Swastikas hanging from flagpoles in the U.S. despite that - it's often theorized that Nazi Germany would only have taken over about half of the entire continent of Europe and not extended too far past that.

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Postby Ocarith » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:23 pm

Post War America wrote:
The Golden Circle States wrote:And it's so good~


Not necessarily... none of us truly have any idea what would happen to the timeline. For example:

Prevent the Civil War, congratulations, you have simply forestalled the inevitable, as eventually the issue of slavery would come to a boiling point, perhaps in the early 20th Century while Europe goes through its height of nationalism (at about the time you prevented the causation of the Great War) making the focal point of the Great War the United States, which would likely resemble the Eastern Front of the Great War, and result in mass casualties and the devastation of much agricultural lands. In addition, the Kennedies, being poor immigrants before prohibition were drafted and all killed off during the war (thus preventing the Birth of JFK) The war comes to a close with a German Victory (more on that later), and the devastation of the United States, with a massive depression from the truly worldwide Great War, and the devastation of the US gives the Socialists a much stronger footing so that in the early 20's they seize control of the government, along with the rise of French and British fascism following their defeat.

World War 2 breaks out as a war between Absolute monarchies (Germany, Russia [because you stopped the revolution], Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, and Japan) and the Fascist States (France, The British Empire, Italy, and potentially the Balkan States). Because the US is too focused on rebuilding its own economy to intervene the Second World War making it a much bloodier and drawn out process and devastating Europe again. The absolute monarchies manage to cling to existence as they rebuild from World War 2, while the Socialists push for sweeping removal of the old feudalistic and capitalistic systems. Thus the Cold War has begun, and in this run of history, the Communists didn't have to start from nothing as they would have in Russia. The monarchists lose the Cold War and a new Communist World Order reigns.

Admittedly this is a relatively far fetched possibility but it goes to show that changing anything (especially big things) can completely alter the course of history in very unexpected ways.

Note I didn't touch the Pompeii thing as the course alterations from thousands of years of skew would be obscene (more so than only 150).


I'm glad to see someone is following what I asked. I wanted people to not only list how they would change history but also describe how that change would effect further events. You did a great job at this, nice!

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Postby Threlizdun » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:24 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Divair wrote:You cannot change fictional stories, silly.


Yes you can. It's called fan-fic! :D
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Postby Christian New Andalusia » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:27 pm

Prevent socialism and communism from coming about, as well as facism.
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Postby Divair » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:28 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Yes you can. It's called fan-fic! :D
And then, Adam, Eve, the snake, Steve, and Nicholas Cage all got it on.

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Postby Conservative Idealism » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:30 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Yes you can. It's called fan-fic! :D
And then, Adam, Eve, the snake, Steve, and Nicholas Cage all got it on.

And that's why it is difficult to get the entire Christian community to let any new books into the Bible. Plus, that's non-canon.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:30 pm

I thought of another one:Have the Germans win WW1 and conquer the majority of Europe. Then, the German Empire, the Austrian Empire, and the Ottoman Empires would all be around still, and the great Fatherland would be much more powerful. Plus Hitler would not have come up with the theory that the Jews were responsible for the German defeat, and would not have started WW2.
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Postby Trekkieland » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:32 pm

Oh gosh... i have a long list.
1: Have Tesla not go insane and me accepted majorly and have our electrical tech put forward by about 100 years as a result
2: Force Edison to give Tesla the money he promised him
3: Shoot Hitler
4: Have my math teacher put my group back together, sure we talked non-stop throughout the entire class, but it was fun!
5: Make a predestination paradox, for science!
6: Bewilder 1800s america with rockets
7: Go screw around with the first life and see what happens, then fix it all (Don't want humans with hooves!)
8: Expose George Washington to 21st century music. (Poor guy.)
9: Have a friendly chat with Galileo, and during it hint at rocketry
10: Show Gene Roddenberry what Star Trek would one day become, then take a sample of his DNA and clone him.
11: Taken the place of King George and just give up the colonies, nobody needed to die over that!
12: Stop WWI, WWII, and all other wars
13: Unite the world in 1900, then have everyone focus on research, then create a colony in another star system in the year i was born, then meet myself.

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Postby Khanas Caravans » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:39 pm

I would go back and convince Jefferson Davis and Lincoln to have peace talks, ending the American Civil War. The CSA becomes a conservative, Rome-esque republic, and its economy evolves into an agricultural powerhouse. They become one of our greatest economic assets, and we move on as a progressive world power that relies on an indutrial economy..
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