If you could change history

[Conscentia]

Or introduce the diseases early on.

The Vikings were actually an attempt at a humanitarian mission.

... I wonder how the world would be had the Viking links to North America never fallen.

[Harkback Union]

Everytime you look through the history books, as vast as they may be you always stumble across something that makes you think, "If only that could've changed."

I would erase the declaration British and French declaration of War against Germany in 1939. Millions upon millions of lives would have been saved, if we had avoided this unnecessary war. With Germany free to wage war against the Soviet union with all it's resources we could have avoided the cold war. It is very possible we would have had no war between the USA and the empire of Japan, so we would very likely have had no communist take over of China. And a German victory over the Soviet would have made it possible for Germany to just relocate the jews to east Russia instead of killing them, saving millions of lives. With no holocaust there would not have been a state of Israel, making the middle east a much nicer place.
The British would probably have been able to hold on to their empire, and the same with the French making both nations more powerful than they are today.

Yeah, So let the chinese, the russians and the slavish be massacraced, becouse killing off an entire nation to send someone else to live on their land is totally okay. Let Japan and Germany keep building weapons, while the western nations do nothing to prepare for war. There is no manhattan project, there isn't even a chinese civil war, becouse nobody helps them fight off the japanese who sack the place and set up a bloody tyrannic puppet state. And there is 0 chance, that during the fifties, the germans might invade france, just to show how superior they are, and than the UK, becouse they are allies, and than rule over entire europe.
And it is also very chanceless that japan with the strongest navy in the world by 1950 will invade the US, which is totally unprepared for war, and might still not be out of the depression era.
And Millions of lives would be saved? I don't see how this scenario would cost less lives. Tens of millions more would die in russia. Perhaps 40 million more in china and oceania. Millions more in africa. Both Germans and Japanese had Mass geonicides planned in their plot to establish their world-wide utopia...
Our only hope could be that the russians don't get so close with the germans (which would likely have happened if the germans weren't fighting a war with france and england) and expect a german attack. Than, they might have had been able to fight them off alone.

[Harkback Union]

Also I would have only 1 thing done:
Either - Kill Stalin in 1922.
Or - Give Lenin immortality drug, or whatever to keep him alive for 10 more years.

[Conscentia]

Also I would have only 1 thing done:
Either - Kill Stalin in 1922.
Or - Give Lenin immortality drug, or whatever to keep him alive for 10 more years.

· Why wait 'till 1922? Why not do what I would do, and remove him from history in 1878.
· You could probably increase his life quite a bit by preventing the second serious assassination attempt he had.

The second event was on 30 August 1918, when the Socialist Revolutionary Fanya Kaplan approached Lenin at his automobile after a speech; he was resting a foot on the running board as he spoke with a woman. Kaplan called to Lenin, and when he turned to face her she shot at him three times. The first bullet struck his arm, the second bullet his jaw and neck, and the third missed him, wounding the woman with whom he was speaking; the wounds felled him and he became unconscious.[111] Fearing in-hospital assassins, Lenin was brought to his Kremlin apartment; physicians decided against removing the bullets lest the surgery endanger his recovery, which proved to be slow.

[Duntrow]

1900-1930 - If possible, i'd love to somehow prevent the Thylacine's extinction too..

[Libertarian California]

Heavily propagandize Crispus Attucks as a hero of the American Revolution.

This causes black Americans to get rights at least 50 years ealier.

[Conscentia]

Heavily propagandize Crispus Attucks as a hero of the American Revolution.

This causes black Americans to get rights at least 50 years ealier.

I doubt it.

[Harkback Union]

· Why wait 'till 1922? Why not do what I would do, and remove him from history in 1878.
· You could probably increase his life quite a bit by preventing the second serious assassination attempt he had.

The second event was on 30 August 1918, when the Socialist Revolutionary Fanya Kaplan approached Lenin at his automobile after a speech; he was resting a foot on the running board as he spoke with a woman. Kaplan called to Lenin, and when he turned to face her she shot at him three times. The first bullet struck his arm, the second bullet his jaw and neck, and the third missed him, wounding the woman with whom he was speaking; the wounds felled him and he became unconscious.[111] Fearing in-hospital assassins, Lenin was brought to his Kremlin apartment; physicians decided against removing the bullets lest the surgery endanger his recovery, which proved to be slow.

Wow, I didn't know that! Thanks.
I suppouse I could have Stalin killed earlier than, but I am afraid someone else, someone even worse would have taken his role...(there were many other people like stalin in the party...)
So maybe I would have stalin and all of his supporters killed Instead.

[Conscentia]

· Why wait 'till 1922? Why not do what I would do, and remove him from history in 1878.
· You could probably increase his life quite a bit by preventing the second serious assassination attempt he had.

Wow, I didn't know that! Thanks.
I suppouse I could have Stalin killed earlier than, but I am afraid someone else, someone even worse would have taken his role...(there were many other people like stalin in the party...)
So maybe I would have stalin and all of his supporters killed Instead.

If he is replaced, you can always go back in time again.

And you don't have to kill Stalin.
My intention would be to take him as a child, and place him in a modern Georgian orphanage.
Afterall, the infant Stalin hasn't actually done anything wrong.
And I've heard that Stalin was beaten by his father as a child, so I suspect his actions were a result of his childhood as opposed to some inherent evil in him.

[Krjder]

Catch the pinecone which killed my best friend. Or have hitler assassinated. (Descendent of Stauffenburg)

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but by 1453, the siege you're talking about changing the outcome of, the Ottomans already had most of the Balkans under their control anyway; altering the outcome of the 1453 siege of Constantinople would have only delayed the inevitable, as the Eastern Roman Empire in 1453 was basically a city-state.

[Krjder]

True, he is right.

[Libertarian California]

Heavily propagandize Crispus Attucks as a hero of the American Revolution.

This causes black Americans to get rights at least 50 years ealier.

I doubt it.

It's probable. With people viewing Crispus Attucks as a hero, white Americans may become more accepting of their black counterparts.

[Conscentia]

Catch the pinecone which killed my best friend. Or have hitler assassinated. (Descendent of Stauffenburg)

Not this again. I've already pointed out to people, killing Hitler is a bad idea. You cannot save everyone. So why choose victims of the Nazis over victims of Stalin or Genghis Khan?

The actions of the Nazis discredited such actions. The very word Nazi is practically an insult in the eyes of many. Yet, if you undo those actions you undo that. The result would be a world were fascism, anti-Semitism, racism, eugenics, imperialism, etc. are acceptable. Europe would be dominated by fascism & authoritarian socialism.
Undoing WW2, assuming removing Hitler would - perhaps it wouldn't, would also remove the technological advances it brought. It would undo the advancements to women's rights it brought, and ideas such as the NHS would never have caught on as there would be no post-war support for them.

[DrakoBlaria]

Lots of Byzophiles here. I just wish that the Aggelos dynasty never existed

[Conscentia]

I doubt it.

It's probable. With people viewing Crispus Attucks as a hero, white Americans may become more accepting of their black counterparts.

A propaganda campaign isn't likely to convince everyone.
And at least 50 years earlier because of people liking 1 man? Seems implausible, given the times.

[Harkback Union]

Wow, I didn't know that! Thanks.
I suppouse I could have Stalin killed earlier than, but I am afraid someone else, someone even worse would have taken his role...(there were many other people like stalin in the party...)
So maybe I would have stalin and all of his supporters killed Instead.

If he is replaced, you can always go back in time again.

And you don't have to kill Stalin.
My intention would be to take him as a child, and place him in a modern Georgian orphanage.
Afterall, the infant Stalin hasn't actually done anything wrong.
And I've heard that Stalin was beaten by his father as a child, so I suspect his actions were a result of his childhood as opposed to some inherent evil in him.

It's not like I want to kill Stalin becouse he is evil, I understand that nobody is responsible for what kind of people they are, I just want to prevent the harm he has done to humanity, so I suppouse altering his course of life would also do, but that's not the typical way of changing history...
Altough I think Preventing F. D. Roosevelt from winning the 1932 elections and providing the technocratic movement the support it needs to takeover the US would also create an Interesting alternate history...

[Krjder]

Catch the pinecone which killed my best friend. Or have hitler assassinated. (Descendent of Stauffenburg)

Not this again. I've already pointed out to people, killing Hitler is a bad idea. You cannot save everyone. So why choose victims of the Nazis over victims of Stalin or Genghis Khan?

The actions of the Nazis discredited such actions. The very word Nazi is practically an insult in the eyes of many. Yet, if you undo those actions you undo that. The result would be a world were fascism, anti-Semitism, racism, eugenics, imperialism, etc. are acceptable. Europe would be dominated by fascism & authoritarian socialism.
Undoing WW2, assuming removing Hitler would - perhaps it wouldn't, would also remove the technological advances it brought. It would undo the advancements to women's rights it brought, and ideas such as the NHS would never have caught on as there would be no post-war support for them.

Well how would you like it if you tried to kill hitler, failed and the executed. Then some more of your family are executed. The rest flee to Britain. At the Nuremburg trials the Russians kill more for being "Nazi-bigwigs"

[Wamitoria]

Not this again. I've already pointed out to people, killing Hitler is a bad idea. You cannot save everyone. So why choose victims of the Nazis over victims of Stalin or Genghis Khan?

The actions of the Nazis discredited such actions. The very word Nazi is practically an insult in the eyes of many. Yet, if you undo those actions you undo that. The result would be a world were fascism, anti-Semitism, racism, eugenics, imperialism, etc. are acceptable. Europe would be dominated by fascism & authoritarian socialism.
Undoing WW2, assuming removing Hitler would - perhaps it wouldn't, would also remove the technological advances it brought. It would undo the advancements to women's rights it brought, and ideas such as the NHS would never have caught on as there would be no post-war support for them.

Well how would you like it if you tried to kill hitler, failed and the executed. Then some more of your family are executed. The rest flee to Britain. At the Nuremburg trials the Russians kill more for being "Nazi-bigwigs"

I thought the rest fled to Britain?

[Krjder]

They did but the British brought them back.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

History ? History is for you mortals. I´d go back in History as far as Pre-History and mould the mind of Mankind from the very beginning.
Being a god. In for a penny, in for a pound...

[DrakoBlaria]

3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but by 1453, the siege you're talking about changing the outcome of, the Ottomans already had most of the Balkans under their control anyway; altering the outcome of the 1453 siege of Constantinople would have only delayed the inevitable, as the Eastern Roman Empire in 1453 was basically a city-state.

Unfortunately, yeah. All that was left was Mistra and Constantinople. The rest were taken by Turks and crusaders. Too bad that when the City was recaptured they started killing each other.

[Sabara]

I wish Mao could've been assassinated somehow...

He really destroyed China.

[Bojikami]

I'd make sure that the USSR wouldn't fall.

[Mike the Progressive]

In for a penny, in for a pound...

I'm going to go suck a lemon and fuck a basset hound?