New haven america wrote:Stop the killing of the Native Americans.
This will require you wiping out Influenza, Smallpox, and Plague, they did most of it.
Which is probably a noble project, so have at it.
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by Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:44 pm
New haven america wrote:Stop the killing of the Native Americans.

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by Militsia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:48 pm
Ocarith wrote:Everytime you look through the history books, as vast as they may be you always stumble across something that makes you think, "If only that could've changed."

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by The Archregimancy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:08 pm
Deiterra wrote:2nd: I would make the Catholic Church have less scepticism of science from 900-1400 AD, possibly making the Black Death never happen.
3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).

by Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:10 pm

by Czechanada » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:11 pm
Deiterra wrote:Wow, there's a lot of stuff I would change.
To start off, I'll go in chronological order:
1st: I would have the crusades come to an end in 1097 by having peace talks between the crusader and Muslim armies. A land split of Israel would be created, dividing the land up between Christians, Muslims and Jews, making Jerusalem split in 3 parts. And the safety of all pilgrims to Israel were protected no matter their religion. This would therefor prevent future crusades.
2nd: I would make the Catholic Church have less scepticism of science from 900-1400 AD, possibly making the Black Death never happen.
3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).
4th: 1914, prevent the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Preventing WW1 and most likely WW2.
5th: 1919, make sure the Russian Revolution never happen.
6th: 1924, ensure that Plutarco Calles never becomes president of Mexico, the Cristero War would never happen and religious liberties in Mexico would be ensured.
7th: 1946, the African American civil rights movement would happen at this time.
8th: 1950, Chinese Nationalists would win the Chinese Civil War, Mao Ze Dong and his communist allies would be killed.
9th: 1960s, the hippie movement would never happen.
10th: 1975, South Vietnam would win the Vietnamese war.
(There's probably more)

by Deiterra » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:11 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Deiterra wrote:2nd: I would make the Catholic Church have less scepticism of science from 900-1400 AD, possibly making the Black Death never happen.
3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).
A) The Catholic Church was one of the main preservers and propagators of knowledge in Western Europe in the period in question, and the modern concept of the scientific method wouldn't develop until the 16th century - more than a century after '900-1400 AD' - so the basic point is irrelevant anyway.
B) The Byzantines did win the 1422 Siege of Constantinople. You seem to be confusing the 1422 siege with the 1453 siege.

by Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:13 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Deiterra wrote:2nd: I would make the Catholic Church have less scepticism of science from 900-1400 AD, possibly making the Black Death never happen.
3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).
A) The Catholic Church was one of the main preservers and propagators of knowledge in Western Europe in the period in question, and the modern concept of the scientific method wouldn't develop until the 16th century - more than a century after '900-1400 AD' - so the basic point is irrelevant anyway.

by Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:14 pm
Deiterra wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
A) The Catholic Church was one of the main preservers and propagators of knowledge in Western Europe in the period in question, and the modern concept of the scientific method wouldn't develop until the 16th century - more than a century after '900-1400 AD' - so the basic point is irrelevant anyway.
B) The Byzantines did win the 1422 Siege of Constantinople. You seem to be confusing the 1422 siege with the 1453 siege.
True that the Catholic church preserved many scientific discoveries , but i'm just saying that there should have been sort of an early renaissance. And thank you for the 1453 information.

by Duntrow » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:15 pm

by Farnhamia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:16 pm
Czechanada wrote:Deiterra wrote:Wow, there's a lot of stuff I would change.
To start off, I'll go in chronological order:
1st: I would have the crusades come to an end in 1097 by having peace talks between the crusader and Muslim armies. A land split of Israel would be created, dividing the land up between Christians, Muslims and Jews, making Jerusalem split in 3 parts. And the safety of all pilgrims to Israel were protected no matter their religion. This would therefor prevent future crusades.
2nd: I would make the Catholic Church have less scepticism of science from 900-1400 AD, possibly making the Black Death never happen.
3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).
4th: 1914, prevent the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Preventing WW1 and most likely WW2.
5th: 1919, make sure the Russian Revolution never happen.
6th: 1924, ensure that Plutarco Calles never becomes president of Mexico, the Cristero War would never happen and religious liberties in Mexico would be ensured.
7th: 1946, the African American civil rights movement would happen at this time.
8th: 1950, Chinese Nationalists would win the Chinese Civil War, Mao Ze Dong and his communist allies would be killed.
9th: 1960s, the hippie movement would never happen.
10th: 1975, South Vietnam would win the Vietnamese war.
(There's probably more)
Why not just have the Byzantine Empire lose no territory in the Byzantine-Arab Wars?
That would have prevented the existence of the Ottoman Empire, kept Islam in check, and the continued grain supply from Egypt would have kept the Byzantine Empire strong enough to ward off anymore nascent Middle Easterners.

by Czechanada » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:16 pm

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