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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:44 pm

New haven america wrote:Stop the killing of the Native Americans.

This will require you wiping out Influenza, Smallpox, and Plague, they did most of it.

Which is probably a noble project, so have at it.
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Postby Czechanada » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:48 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
New haven america wrote:Stop the killing of the Native Americans.

This will require you wiping out Influenza, Smallpox, and Plague, they did most of it.

Which is probably a noble project, so have at it.


Just prevent the Europeans from touching down in the Americas.
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Postby Militsia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:48 pm

Ocarith wrote:Everytime you look through the history books, as vast as they may be you always stumble across something that makes you think, "If only that could've changed."


I would erase the declaration British and French declaration of War against Germany in 1939. Millions upon millions of lives would have been saved, if we had avoided this unnecessary war. With Germany free to wage war against the Soviet union with all it's resources we could have avoided the cold war. It is very possible we would have had no war between the USA and the empire of Japan, so we would very likely have had no communist take over of China. And a German victory over the Soviet would have made it possible for Germany to just relocate the jews to east Russia instead of killing them, saving millions of lives. With no holocaust there would not have been a state of Israel, making the middle east a much nicer place.
The British would probably have been able to hold on to their empire, and the same with the French making both nations more powerful than they are today.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:51 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:This will require you wiping out Influenza, Smallpox, and Plague, they did most of it.

Which is probably a noble project, so have at it.


Just prevent the Europeans from touching down in the Americas.

And the Asians from the other side.

Continuously.

Forever.
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Postby Libertarian California » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:52 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:This will require you wiping out Influenza, Smallpox, and Plague, they did most of it.

Which is probably a noble project, so have at it.


Just prevent the Europeans from touching down in the Americas.


No. I like living in California.
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Postby Czechanada » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:53 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
Just prevent the Europeans from touching down in the Americas.


No. I like living in California.


So did the Chimariko people.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:54 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
No. I like living in California.


So did the Chimariko people.

Then they should have invented artillery.
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Postby Wamitoria » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:55 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
So did the Chimariko people.

Then they should have invented artillery.

Or become naturally immune to small pox.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:55 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
So did the Chimariko people.

Then they should have invented artillery.

New plan: Give the Chimariko artillery.
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Postby Deiterra » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:58 pm

Wow, there's a lot of stuff I would change.

To start off, I'll go in chronological order:
1st: I would have the crusades come to an end in 1097 by having peace talks between the crusader and Muslim armies. A land split of Israel would be created, dividing the land up between Christians, Muslims and Jews, making Jerusalem split in 3 parts. And the safety of all pilgrims to Israel were protected no matter their religion. This would therefor prevent future crusades.

2nd: I would make the Catholic Church have less scepticism of science from 900-1400 AD, possibly making the Black Death never happen.

3rd: 1453, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).

4th: 1914, prevent the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Preventing WW1 and most likely WW2.

5th: 1919, make sure the Russian Revolution never happen.

6th: 1924, ensure that Plutarco Calles never becomes president of Mexico, the Cristero War would never happen and religious liberties in Mexico would be ensured.

7th: 1946, the African American civil rights movement would happen at this time.

8th: 1950, Chinese Nationalists would win the Chinese Civil War, Mao Ze Dong and his communist allies would be killed.

9th: 1960s, the hippie movement would never happen.

10th: 1975, South Vietnam would win the Vietnamese war.

(There's probably more)
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Postby Libertarian California » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:58 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
No. I like living in California.


So did the Chimariko people.


Your point?
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:01 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
So did the Chimariko people.


Your point?

California for the Nords?
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:05 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Then they should have invented artillery.

Or become naturally immune to small pox.

Or invented a vaccine against it and sold it to the Europeans.
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Postby Conscentia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:08 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:This will require you wiping out Influenza, Smallpox, and Plague, they did most of it.
Which is probably a noble project, so have at it.

Just prevent the Europeans from touching down in the Americas.

Or introduce the diseases early on.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:08 pm

Deiterra wrote:2nd: I would make the Catholic Church have less scepticism of science from 900-1400 AD, possibly making the Black Death never happen.

3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).


A) The Catholic Church was one of the main preservers and propagators of knowledge in Western Europe in the period in question, and the modern concept of the scientific method wouldn't develop until the 16th century - more than a century after '900-1400 AD' - so the basic point is irrelevant anyway.

B) The Byzantines did win the 1422 Siege of Constantinople. You seem to be confusing the 1422 siege with the 1453 siege.

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:10 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Czechanada wrote:Just prevent the Europeans from touching down in the Americas.

Or introduce the diseases early on.

The Vikings were actually an attempt at a humanitarian mission.
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Postby Czechanada » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:11 pm

Deiterra wrote:Wow, there's a lot of stuff I would change.

To start off, I'll go in chronological order:
1st: I would have the crusades come to an end in 1097 by having peace talks between the crusader and Muslim armies. A land split of Israel would be created, dividing the land up between Christians, Muslims and Jews, making Jerusalem split in 3 parts. And the safety of all pilgrims to Israel were protected no matter their religion. This would therefor prevent future crusades.

2nd: I would make the Catholic Church have less scepticism of science from 900-1400 AD, possibly making the Black Death never happen.

3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).

4th: 1914, prevent the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Preventing WW1 and most likely WW2.

5th: 1919, make sure the Russian Revolution never happen.

6th: 1924, ensure that Plutarco Calles never becomes president of Mexico, the Cristero War would never happen and religious liberties in Mexico would be ensured.

7th: 1946, the African American civil rights movement would happen at this time.

8th: 1950, Chinese Nationalists would win the Chinese Civil War, Mao Ze Dong and his communist allies would be killed.

9th: 1960s, the hippie movement would never happen.

10th: 1975, South Vietnam would win the Vietnamese war.

(There's probably more)


Why not just have the Byzantine Empire lose no territory in the Byzantine-Arab Wars?

That would have prevented the existence of the Ottoman Empire, kept Islam in check, and the continued grain supply from Egypt would have kept the Byzantine Empire strong enough to ward off anymore nascent Middle Easterners.
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Postby Deiterra » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:11 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Deiterra wrote:2nd: I would make the Catholic Church have less scepticism of science from 900-1400 AD, possibly making the Black Death never happen.

3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).


A) The Catholic Church was one of the main preservers and propagators of knowledge in Western Europe in the period in question, and the modern concept of the scientific method wouldn't develop until the 16th century - more than a century after '900-1400 AD' - so the basic point is irrelevant anyway.

B) The Byzantines did win the 1422 Siege of Constantinople. You seem to be confusing the 1422 siege with the 1453 siege.


True that the Catholic church preserved many scientific discoveries , but i'm just saying that there should have been sort of an early renaissance. And thank you for the 1453 information.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:13 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Deiterra wrote:2nd: I would make the Catholic Church have less scepticism of science from 900-1400 AD, possibly making the Black Death never happen.

3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).


A) The Catholic Church was one of the main preservers and propagators of knowledge in Western Europe in the period in question, and the modern concept of the scientific method wouldn't develop until the 16th century - more than a century after '900-1400 AD' - so the basic point is irrelevant anyway.

And even if Europe did, somehow, become super-scientific at this time, it seems unlikely they would have antibiotics figured out by 1348.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:14 pm

Deiterra wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
A) The Catholic Church was one of the main preservers and propagators of knowledge in Western Europe in the period in question, and the modern concept of the scientific method wouldn't develop until the 16th century - more than a century after '900-1400 AD' - so the basic point is irrelevant anyway.

B) The Byzantines did win the 1422 Siege of Constantinople. You seem to be confusing the 1422 siege with the 1453 siege.


True that the Catholic church preserved many scientific discoveries , but i'm just saying that there should have been sort of an early renaissance. And thank you for the 1453 information.

There was sort of an early renaissance in the 12th century.
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Postby Duntrow » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:15 pm

Some things I would change.

October 13, 1812 - Prevent General Isaac Brock from getting killed at Queenston Heights

November 22, 1963 - Prevent JFK from getting assassinated.

September 11, 2001 - Prevent this catastrophe

December 6, 2012 - All of America and Canada sign declaration of Amendment 64.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:16 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Deiterra wrote:Wow, there's a lot of stuff I would change.

To start off, I'll go in chronological order:
1st: I would have the crusades come to an end in 1097 by having peace talks between the crusader and Muslim armies. A land split of Israel would be created, dividing the land up between Christians, Muslims and Jews, making Jerusalem split in 3 parts. And the safety of all pilgrims to Israel were protected no matter their religion. This would therefor prevent future crusades.

2nd: I would make the Catholic Church have less scepticism of science from 900-1400 AD, possibly making the Black Death never happen.

3rd: 1422, I would make the Seige of Constantinople be won by the Byzantines, preventing Ottoman invasion into Eastern Europe. (This would also make the Ottoman Empire not participate in WW1, if they even existed).

4th: 1914, prevent the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. Preventing WW1 and most likely WW2.

5th: 1919, make sure the Russian Revolution never happen.

6th: 1924, ensure that Plutarco Calles never becomes president of Mexico, the Cristero War would never happen and religious liberties in Mexico would be ensured.

7th: 1946, the African American civil rights movement would happen at this time.

8th: 1950, Chinese Nationalists would win the Chinese Civil War, Mao Ze Dong and his communist allies would be killed.

9th: 1960s, the hippie movement would never happen.

10th: 1975, South Vietnam would win the Vietnamese war.

(There's probably more)


Why not just have the Byzantine Empire lose no territory in the Byzantine-Arab Wars?

That would have prevented the existence of the Ottoman Empire, kept Islam in check, and the continued grain supply from Egypt would have kept the Byzantine Empire strong enough to ward off anymore nascent Middle Easterners.

Just have the Muslims lose badly at the Battle of Hunayn.
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Postby Czechanada » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:16 pm

Duntrow wrote:Some things I would change.

November 22, 1963 - Prevent JFK from getting assassinated.


How would you be able to stop three shooters?
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Postby Duntrow » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:18 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Duntrow wrote:Some things I would change.

November 22, 1963 - Prevent JFK from getting assassinated.


How would you be able to stop three shooters?


Not sure.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:18 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Duntrow wrote:Some things I would change.

November 22, 1963 - Prevent JFK from getting assassinated.


How would you be able to stop three shooters?

Stage an auto accident or something in Dealy Plaza so that the motorcade is diverted at the last moment.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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