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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:41 am

Anachronous Rex wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:ROOOOOAAAAAAAR, I KNOW HISTORY!

So, oh great history mod, I have an inquiry:

I seem to have heard it said that the Pechenegs employed chariots well after most sensible militaries had abandoned them, but used them almost exclusively for personal transport, rather then combat.

Is there truth in this?


According to pp 72-73 of Birkenmeier's The Development of the Komnenian Army, the Pecheneg 'chariots' - as described by Anna Comnena (via reports from Byzantine military commanders) - were war wagons which were often circled to form a fortified camp rather than the classical light war chariot. This was a tactic used (unsuccessfully, as it happens) against both Alexius I and John II during the Comnenian period

In that sense, they likely more resembled a Boer laager rather than a 'chariot' in the usual sense of the word.

I admit I had to look that up.

And I'm an archaeologist, not a historian ;)

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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:41 am

Liriena wrote: and military dictatorships will probably never again get the endorsement of the population.


Did they ever have the endorsement of the population? By their very nature, most of them maintained control through force and violence and not through the support of the people.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:42 am

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Thronegaria wrote:And if CSA had won?


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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:44 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:So, oh great history mod, I have an inquiry:

I seem to have heard it said that the Pechenegs employed chariots well after most sensible militaries had abandoned them, but used them almost exclusively for personal transport, rather then combat.

Is there truth in this?


According to pp 72-73 of Birkenmeier's The Development of the Komnenian Army, the Pecheneg 'chariots' - as described by Anna Comnena (via reports from Byzantine military commanders) - were war wagons which were often circled to form a fortified camp rather than the classical light war chariot. This was a tactic used (unsuccessfully, as it happens) against both Alexius I and John II during the Comnenian period

In that sense, they likely more resembled a Boer laager rather than a 'chariot' in the usual sense of the word.

I admit I had to look that up.

And I'm an archaeologist, not a historian ;)


He said you know history not that you were a historian. Anyway isn't archaeology a subset of history, except that you work primarily with unwritten sources?

Also, you have have to put "ROOOOOAAAAAAAR, I KNOW HISTORY!" on your sig.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:45 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:So, oh great history mod, I have an inquiry:

I seem to have heard it said that the Pechenegs employed chariots well after most sensible militaries had abandoned them, but used them almost exclusively for personal transport, rather then combat.

Is there truth in this?


According to pp 72-73 of Birkenmeier's The Development of the Komnenian Army, the Pecheneg 'chariots' - as described by Anna Comnena (via reports from Byzantine military commanders) - were war wagons which were often circled to form a fortified camp rather than the classical light war chariot. This was a tactic used (unsuccessfully, as it happens) against both Alexius I and John II during the Comnenian period

In that sense, they likely more resembled a Boer laager rather than a 'chariot' in the usual sense of the word.

I admit I had to look that up.

And I'm an archaeologist, not a historian ;)

Thank you.

Right. Well, that being the case, I would change history to make what I originally wrote true.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:01 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:Anyway isn't archaeology a subset of history, except that you work primarily with unwritten sources?


HERETIC!

BURN THE BLASPHEMER!

In the Western Hemisphere archaeology is usually classed as a subdiscipline of anthropology. In most of Europe and Australasia it's usually classed as an independent but interdisciplinary branch of the humanities.

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:13 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
EnragedMaldivians wrote:Anyway isn't archaeology a subset of history, except that you work primarily with unwritten sources?


HERETIC!

BURN THE BLASPHEMER!

In the Western Hemisphere archaeology is usually classed as a subdiscipline of anthropology. In most of Europe and Australasia it's usually classed as an independent but interdisciplinary branch of the humanities.

If I could change history I would make is a subdiscipline of archaeology.
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Postby Imsogone » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:24 pm

I wouldn't change history because there is no guarantee that any change I made would not make things worse.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:27 pm

Imsogone wrote:I wouldn't change history because there is no guarantee that any change I made would not make things worse.


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Postby Czechanada » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:28 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
According to pp 72-73 of Birkenmeier's The Development of the Komnenian Army, the Pecheneg 'chariots' - as described by Anna Comnena (via reports from Byzantine military commanders) - were war wagons which were often circled to form a fortified camp rather than the classical light war chariot. This was a tactic used (unsuccessfully, as it happens) against both Alexius I and John II during the Comnenian period

In that sense, they likely more resembled a Boer laager rather than a 'chariot' in the usual sense of the word.

I admit I had to look that up.

And I'm an archaeologist, not a historian ;)


He said you know history not that you were a historian. Anyway isn't archaeology a subset of history, except that you work primarily with unwritten sources?

Also, you have have to put "ROOOOOAAAAAAAR, I KNOW HISTORY!" on your sig.


That is incorrect. Archaeology is a subset of anthropology.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:30 pm

Czechanada wrote:
EnragedMaldivians wrote:
He said you know history not that you were a historian. Anyway isn't archaeology a subset of history, except that you work primarily with unwritten sources?

Also, you have have to put "ROOOOOAAAAAAAR, I KNOW HISTORY!" on your sig.


That is incorrect. Archaeology is a subset of anthropology.

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Postby Czechanada » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:32 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
That is incorrect. Archaeology is a subset of anthropology.

viewtopic.php?p=13773850#p13773850


Yes, Imsogone is wise with his or her decision on what could be possibly changed in history.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:34 pm

Czechanada wrote:


Yes, Imsogone is wise with his or her decision on what could be possibly changed in history.

What?
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Postby New haven america » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:34 pm

Stop the killing of the Native Americans.
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Postby Libertarian California » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:35 pm

Ralph Nader 2000!

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:35 pm

New haven america wrote:Stop the killing of the Native Americans.

Native Americans enjoyed killing Native Americans as much as anyone.
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Postby Rajaputra » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:36 pm

Libertarian California wrote:Ralph Nader 2000!

Peace out everybody!


Yes, this.
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Postby Wamitoria » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:36 pm

Libertarian California wrote:Ralph Nader 2000!

Peace out everybody!

Having him win or having him not run?
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Postby Czechanada » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:36 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
Yes, Imsogone is wise with his or her decision on what could be possibly changed in history.

What?


Your linked directed me to Imsogone's post, did it not?
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:36 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:Ralph Nader 2000!

Peace out everybody!

Having him win or having him not run?

Not run, if you ask me. And even if you don't.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:37 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:What?


Your linked directed me to Imsogone's post, did it not?

I didn't think you clicked it. Nice.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:37 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:What?


Your linked directed me to Imsogone's post, did it not?


It linked me to Arch's post. Imsogone's post was at the bottom of the screen, though.
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Postby Libertarian California » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:38 pm

Thronegaria wrote:And if CSA had won?



Both sides would have been destroyed within 50 years if the South won.
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Postby Libertarian California » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:39 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:Ralph Nader 2000!

Peace out everybody!

Having him win or having him not run?


Having him win.
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Postby Czechanada » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:42 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
Your linked directed me to Imsogone's post, did it not?


It linked me to Arch's post. Imsogone's post was at the bottom of the screen, though.


Of course.
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