If you could change history

[Anachronous Rex]

ROOOOOAAAAAAAR, I KNOW HISTORY!

So, oh great history mod, I have an inquiry:

I seem to have heard it said that the Pechenegs employed chariots well after most sensible militaries had abandoned them, but used them almost exclusively for personal transport, rather then combat.

Is there truth in this?

[DrakoBlaria]

Meh, it is not really a debate. I honestly do not have a good picture in my mind on how Europe was before the 30 year war started, and I doubt anyone would support a noble man who wants to become 'Emperor of Constantinople' without having something to gain. So yeah, Arch is right.

The Thirty Years' War is one of my favourite things to study in history. I'd rather you not prevent it even if you disproved Arch's point with some arcane knowledge from Sigil, the City of Doors.

Da f?

[Liriena]

To be honest? I wouldn't change anything.
Every single historical event in the past, even the most insignificant ones, have led us to our current world.

I can't imagine what would have happened in the long run if Rome had not converted to Christianity, the British had won the American Independence War, if Napoleon had won in Waterloo, if Hitler had died while fighting in World War I, if Harvey Milk had not been assassinated, if Argentina had won the Falklands War, if Gore had won the 2000 elections...There's too many variables, too many things that could have plunged us into a worse state in the long run.

Despite its countless, intolerable flaws, I am content with the world we have now. Despite everything, we now have a better world, a world in which genocide is frowned upon, a world in which Napoleon's codes serve as the basis for much of the law in the modern world while Europe has remained relatively peaceful for decades, a world in which Argentina is a flawed, but still strong democracy, and military dictatorships will probably never again get the endorsement of the population.

If I had 100% certainty that I could make the world a better place by, say, eliminating Christianity long before it reached Rome, or killing Hitler in World War 1, maybe I would endorse it. Otherwise, I'd rather stick to the history I grew up reading about.

[Thronegaria]

To be honest? I wouldn't change anything.
Every single historical event in the past, even the most insignificant ones, have led us to our current world.

I can't imagine what would have happened in the long run if Rome had not converted to Christianity, the British had won the American Independence War, if Napoleon had won in Waterloo, if Hitler had died while fighting in World War I, if Harvey Milk had not been assassinated, if Argentina had won the Falklands War, if Gore had won the 2000 elections...There's too many variables, too many things that could have plunged us into a worse state in the long run.

Despite its countless, intolerable flaws, I am content with the world we have now. Despite everything, we now have a better world, a world in which genocide is frowned upon, a world in which Napoleon's codes serve as the basis for much of the law in the modern world while Europe has remained relatively peaceful for decades, a world in which Argentina is a flawed, but still strong democracy, and military dictatorships will probably never again get the endorsement of the population.

If I had 100% certainty that I could make the world a better place by, say, eliminating Christianity long before it reached Rome, or killing Hitler in World War 1, maybe I would endorse it. Otherwise, I'd rather stick to the history I grew up reading about.

THIS!

[Arglorand]

Killing him? I didn't say I'd kill him. I'd remove him from history. Put him in a different part of history.
I have a time machine - I can take him as a child, and drop him in an orphanage in modern Georgia.
Problem solved. No one has to die. Who knows, he could even turn out to be a rather decent guy. (I've heard that he was beaten as a child by his father... perhaps his problems stem from childhood. In which case, I'm both him & the future a favour.)

This reminds me of the plot of Witcher 1, except in reverse.

New theory: Stalin was brought to earth by the Wild Hunt to facilitate the fulfillment of Ithlinne's prophecy. True story.

[Thronegaria]

And if CSA had won?

[Liriena]

And if CSA had won?

The United States would be a Christian fundamentalist, ultra-nationalistic, xenophobic, impoverished, under-developed hellhole.

[Arglorand]

And if CSA had won?

The United States would be a Christian fundamentalist, ultra-nationalistic, xenophobic, impoverished, under-developed hellhole.

now at least two thirds of them aren't.

[Wamitoria]

And if CSA had won?

The United States would be a Christian fundamentalist, ultra-nationalistic, xenophobic, impoverished, under-developed hellhole.

It would have been Russia, essentially. Probably would have had another civil war in the 20th century.

[DrakoBlaria]

And if CSA had won?

The United States would be a Christian fundamentalist, ultra-nationalistic, xenophobic, impoverished, under-developed hellhole.

Which is funny cause the US was created by foreigners

[Anachronous Rex]

And if CSA had won?

The United States would be a Christian fundamentalist, ultra-nationalistic, xenophobic, impoverished, under-developed hellhole.

Seems more likely the North would have continued to dominate, and the CSA would have just remained a hellish dystopia, until at long last, it would be forced to reform.

[DrakoBlaria]

ROOOOOAAAAAAAR, I KNOW HISTORY!

So, oh great history mod, I have an inquiry:

I seem to have heard it said that the Pechenegs employed chariots well after most sensible militaries had abandoned them, but used them almost exclusively for personal transport, rather then combat.

Is there truth in this?

Turkic people used Chariots?

[Arglorand]

The United States would be a Christian fundamentalist, ultra-nationalistic, xenophobic, impoverished, under-developed hellhole.

Seems more likely the North would have continued to dominate, and the CSA would have just remained a hellish dystopia, until at long last, it would be forced to reform.

There were actually tons of resistance groups fighting against the CSA, I believe. It seems likely to me that if they had won the war, they'd soon have fallen apart anyway.

[Liriena]

The United States would be a Christian fundamentalist, ultra-nationalistic, xenophobic, impoverished, under-developed hellhole.

It would have been Russia, essentially. Probably would have had another civil war in the 20th century.

Yep...Imagine, an American Putin.
Or even better...an American Stalin.

[Anachronous Rex]

Seems more likely the North would have continued to dominate, and the CSA would have just remained a hellish dystopia, until at long last, it would be forced to reform.

There were actually tons of resistance groups fighting against the CSA, I believe. It seems likely to me that if they had won the war, they'd soon have fallen apart anyway.

Yes, but we're operating on the assumption that they "won" somehow. So I was giving them the benefit of internal stability.

[Liriena]

Seems more likely the North would have continued to dominate, and the CSA would have just remained a hellish dystopia, until at long last, it would be forced to reform.

There were actually tons of resistance groups fighting against the CSA, I believe. It seems likely to me that if they had won the war, they'd soon have fallen apart anyway.

And then we would have five separate theocratic shitholes, asides from the Union, trying to get Uncle Sam to love them again.

[Anachronous Rex]

So, oh great history mod, I have an inquiry:

I seem to have heard it said that the Pechenegs employed chariots well after most sensible militaries had abandoned them, but used them almost exclusively for personal transport, rather then combat.

Is there truth in this?

Turkic people used Chariots?

Almost as ridiculous as Turkic people intermingling with Slavs and adopting Cyrillic.

[DrakoBlaria]

Turkic people used Chariots?

Almost as ridiculous as Turkic people intermingling with Slavs and adopting Cyrillic.

As long as they dont get conquered by other Turks just to be freed from Russians 500 years later, it is possible

[Serrland]

There were actually tons of resistance groups fighting against the CSA, I believe. It seems likely to me that if they had won the war, they'd soon have fallen apart anyway.

Yes, but we're operating on the assumption that they "won" somehow. So I was giving them the benefit of internal stability.

Perhaps too generous, given the major political fractures that were evident as early as '61.

I wonder how an independent Confederacy would influence the Maximilian Affair?

[Arglorand]

There were actually tons of resistance groups fighting against the CSA, I believe. It seems likely to me that if they had won the war, they'd soon have fallen apart anyway.

And then we would have five separate theocratic shitholes, asides from the Union, trying to get Uncle Sam to love them again.

A status that would be maintained for a decade at best, until the US rolled back in.

The South was kind of a really lost cause.

[Liriena]

Yes, but we're operating on the assumption that they "won" somehow. So I was giving them the benefit of internal stability.

Perhaps too generous, given the major political fractures that were evident as early as '61.

I wonder how an independent Confederacy would influence the Maximilian Affair?

They probably would have endorsed the shit out of it in exchange for moar browns to enslave.

[Czechanada]

This reminds me of the plot of Witcher 1, except in reverse.

New theory: Stalin was brought to earth by the Wild Hunt to facilitate the fulfillment of Ithlinne's prophecy. True story.

Terrifying! The Orthodox Conspiracy is just a cover for the Wild Hunt.

[Arglorand]

New theory: Stalin was brought to earth by the Wild Hunt to facilitate the fulfillment of Ithlinne's prophecy. True story.

Terrifying! The Orthodox Conspiracy is just a cover for the Wild Hunt.

Those damn elves.

[Kamchastkia]

The fall of the Soviet Union would have never happened, and it would keep war from happening on the Korean Peninsula, kept what little bit of communism was left in the USSR alive, and kept US from going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan most likely.

[Arglorand]

The fall of the Soviet Union would have never happened, and it would keep war from happening on the Korean Peninsula, kept what little bit of communism was left in the USSR alive, and kept US from going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan most likely.

Hehe... No.

I like talking whatever shit I like in a free, democratic and gradually westernizing country.