Healthcare: Right or Privilege?

[Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia]

This assuming taxation is theft. It's not.

It's rent.

Meh. It's vandalism. Damages my paychecks anyway

[Divair]

It's rent.

Meh. It's vandalism. Damages my paychecks anyway

If you consider rent "vandalism".

[Poloian]

Yes because that never happens in Canadian hospitals.

Well, no, it doesn't. Free healthcare and what not.

Most Canadians hate it, trust me I am Canadian and it is awful you have to wait hours just to get a shot for something like getting a rusty nail in your foot, and some doctors in Canada suggest private healthcare that YOU PAY FOR!

[Divair]

Most Canadians hate it,

Source.

trust me I am Canadian and it is awful you have to wait hours just to get a shot for something like getting a rusty nail in your foot, and some doctors in Canada suggest private healthcare that YOU PAY FOR!

Anecdotal evidence is not reliable evidence.

[Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia]

or later.

Don't count your eggs before they hatch.

I just don't see it ever happening. Too many adult Americans believe in angels and all that.

[Wisconsin9]

Well, no, it doesn't. Free healthcare and what not.

Most Canadians hate it, trust me I am Canadian and it is awful you have to wait hours just to get a shot for something like getting a rusty nail in your foot, and some doctors in Canada suggest private healthcare that YOU PAY FOR!

Anecdotal evidence, your argument is invalid.

[Poloian]

Most Canadians hate it,

Source.

trust me I am Canadian and it is awful you have to wait hours just to get a shot for something like getting a rusty nail in your foot, and some doctors in Canada suggest private healthcare that YOU PAY FOR!

Anecdotal evidence is not reliable evidence.

http://youtu.be/q2jijuj1ysw
sourceded

[Divair]

Don't count your eggs before they hatch.

I just don't see it ever happening. Too many adult Americans believe in angels and all that.

And yet.

[Souseiseki]

Well, no, it doesn't. Free healthcare and what not.

Most Canadians hate it, trust me I am Canadian and it is awful you have to wait hours just to get a shot for something like getting a rusty nail in your foot, and some doctors in Canada suggest private healthcare that YOU PAY FOR!

the sad effects of conservative government and being right next to america

the NHS is p. cool tbh

i'd love to hear about the people who went bankrupt in candadian hospitals from the public healthcare sucking them dry though

that said, i can see how private healthcare can really help you out with your waiting times

[Divair]

Source.


Anecdotal evidence is not reliable evidence.

http://youtu.be/q2jijuj1ysw
sourceded

*Ahem*

From the comments.

4:08 beg the question, false context +2
4:17 no wonder they won't serve you. no points.
4:20 conclusion from false premise +1
4:37 false context +1
5:01 you get paid to do this beyond mere ad-share? Interesting, that discredits you... now mark ME down for an ad hominem... no points, I'm just sayin'...
5:10 anecdotal, where's the footage? +1
5:22 anecdotal, where's the footage? +1
5:23 conclusion from false premise +1 (that was THREE fallacies in ONE sentence!)
To be continued....

And it's a fucking YouTube video anyway.




Try again.

[Wisconsin9]

http://youtu.be/q2jijuj1ysw
sourceded

*Ahem*

From the comments.

4:08 beg the question, false context +2
4:17 no wonder they won't serve you. no points.
4:20 conclusion from false premise +1
4:37 false context +1
5:01 you get paid to do this beyond mere ad-share? Interesting, that discredits you... now mark ME down for an ad hominem... no points, I'm just sayin'...
5:10 anecdotal, where's the footage? +1
5:22 anecdotal, where's the footage? +1
5:23 conclusion from false premise +1 (that was THREE fallacies in ONE sentence!)
To be continued....

And it's a fucking YouTube video anyway.




Try again.

Aw, you beat me to it.

[Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia]

Meh. It's vandalism. Damages my paychecks anyway

If you consider rent "vandalism".

I was referring to taxation. Rent isn't like taxation. If you don't pay your taxes, eventually you get a free room and board (prison) with the stipulation that you have to stay there for a few years until "productive society" in the guise of men in black gowns decide your removal from public interaction has been long enough to "repay" said "productive society."

[Souseiseki]

i was hoping for at least a dodgy survey

[Divair]

If you consider rent "vandalism".

I was referring to taxation. Rent isn't like taxation. If you don't pay your taxes, eventually you get a free room and board (prison) with the stipulation that you have to stay there for a few years until "productive society" in the guise of men in black gowns decide your removal from public interaction has been long enough to "repay" said "productive society."

And if you don't pay rent, you get thrown out. Would you prefer to get thrown out of the country for not paying taxes? Because I'm OK with such a reform.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Nothing is voluntary. We are all shaped by our experiences and circumstances. We have no free will in some absolute mystical sense, and it's pretty harmful to the general good to say otherwise.

So you take the position that the human condition is composed of nothing more than a very large list of "stimulus ---> response" relationships of varying complexity? You reject the assumption of a calculating, rational individual? Or have I misunderstood you?

Did I choose to be born into poverty? Did I choose to have my car break down two weeks ago? Did my grandmother choose to die of cancer? Of course not. Social reality is that nobody makes an absolute choice. Nobody is free in the way you like to contend. This idea of "totally voluntary" as a way of organizing a society is delusional at best. Nobody has volunteered to be on the wrong end of a power imbalance, yet they are. Not much in our world is freely given in the sense that is implied by Capitalkidsts.

[Enadail]

Source.


Anecdotal evidence is not reliable evidence.

http://youtu.be/q2jijuj1ysw
sourceded

That's not a source, that's another super long anecdote. I watched about 4 minutes in the middle, the whole thing was riddled with fallacies.

[Progressive-Conservative Republics]

If you're the result of your own injury, society as a whole should not be subjected to your carelessness.

[Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia]

I just don't see it ever happening. Too many adult Americans believe in angels and all that.

And yet.

Not the same thing as I'm on about. A guarantee of insurance coverage is not the same as government employees providing health care.

I'd tear my hair out if I had any at how stooopid the health care debate in America has gotten over missing this distinction.

[Enadail]

If you're the result of your own injury, society as a whole should not be subjected to your carelessness.

That... that doesn't make sense.

[Wisconsin9]

If you're the result of your own injury, society as a whole should not be subjected to your carelessness.

That... that doesn't make sense.

Oh good, I was worried it was just me.

[Divair]

And yet.

Not the same thing as I'm on about. A guarantee of insurance coverage is not the same as government employees providing health care.

I'd tear my hair out if I had any at how stooopid the health care debate in America has gotten over missing this distinction.

Complaint noted. Fixed.

[Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia]

I was referring to taxation. Rent isn't like taxation. If you don't pay your taxes, eventually you get a free room and board (prison) with the stipulation that you have to stay there for a few years until "productive society" in the guise of men in black gowns decide your removal from public interaction has been long enough to "repay" said "productive society."

And if you don't pay rent, you get thrown out. Would you prefer to get thrown out of the country for not paying taxes? Because I'm OK with such a reform.

I kinda relish the irony that the folks in America who are having all sustenance, protection, health care and shelter needs provided by government right now are incarcerated prisoners.

[Samuraikoku]

Law? I just said Black's Law Dictionary
But then again, wouldn't taxes be enforced by certain agencies, like HM Revenue and Customs (UK) and Internal Revenue Service (US)?

They are sure enforceable under the State power. But it's the law that legitimizes that enforcement.

[Divair]

And if you don't pay rent, you get thrown out. Would you prefer to get thrown out of the country for not paying taxes? Because I'm OK with such a reform.

I kinda relish the irony that the folks in America who are having all sustenance, protection, health care and shelter needs provided by government right now are incarcerated prisoners.

Could you please answer the question?

[Souseiseki]

And if you don't pay rent, you get thrown out. Would you prefer to get thrown out of the country for not paying taxes? Because I'm OK with such a reform.

I kinda relish the irony that the folks in America who are having all sustenance, protection, health care and shelter needs provided by government right now are incarcerated prisoners.

The best part is that people respond to this not by demanding the government, for example, make sure everyone has access to health care, but by ranting about how prisoners should be treated like dogs. It's amazing.