Healthcare: Right or Privilege?

[Czechanada]

Just have a doctor follow each citizen to immediately heal them.

[Samuraikoku]

Just have a doctor follow each citizen to immediately heal them.

Attach Apothecaries to Marine squads. Problem solved.

[Enadail]

Every case is unique. I'm just afraid there will be some abuse. I would consider cases that save a person life to have a higher priority, but if there is enough control in terms of evaluations then I guess it could fall under public healthcare.

How will there be abuse? Again... its not something you get "on the whim". Being afraid of abuse of gender reassignment is like being afraid that the random person you saw on the street is following you home to take your eye. Its not happening.

[Enadail]

Not even that really; just that those with adaptions tend to be the ones that survive; sometimes organisms with useless adaptions survive, and those adaptions are passed down

Yes, but I'm talking about negative adaptations that get passed down in our society. Mind you, I don't have any issues with that, we have too many people already for it to matter. I was just curious about what he'd say.

And yet your example of someone jumping off a roof is crap, as it represents neither an adaptation, nor something that will likely be passed on.

[Enadail]

I don't really give a shit about the people who wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise as people really are accountable for their own mistakes and lack of drive to obtain better employment.

HAHAHAHHA, bullshit. People get fried for arbitrary reasons all the time, departments are closed and shifted, jobs are sent over seas. Plenty of people are on hard times so CEOs can make even more money, and there aren't jobs for them to take. The whole "blame the poor" schtick gets old fast.

[Oneracon]

Just have a doctor follow each citizen to immediately heal them.

Then after they heal them enough... UBERCHARGE!

[Frazers]

I don't really give a shit about the people who wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise as people really are accountable for their own mistakes and lack of drive to obtain better employment.

HAHAHAHHA, bullshit. People get fried for arbitrary reasons all the time, departments are closed and shifted, jobs are sent over seas. Plenty of people are on hard times so CEOs can make even more money, and there aren't jobs for them to take. The whole "blame the poor" schtick gets old fast.

People get fired all the time so people should be prepared for the hard times. It's simple really.

Don't plan ahead and you'll suffer.

[Vitaphone Racing]

HAHAHAHHA, bullshit. People get fried for arbitrary reasons all the time, departments are closed and shifted, jobs are sent over seas. Plenty of people are on hard times so CEOs can make even more money, and there aren't jobs for them to take. The whole "blame the poor" schtick gets old fast.

People get fired all the time so people should be prepared for the hard times. It's simple really.

Don't plan ahead and you'll suffer.

You must be a teenager in a middle class household.

[Czechanada]

HAHAHAHHA, bullshit. People get fried for arbitrary reasons all the time, departments are closed and shifted, jobs are sent over seas. Plenty of people are on hard times so CEOs can make even more money, and there aren't jobs for them to take. The whole "blame the poor" schtick gets old fast.

People get fired all the time so people should be prepared for the hard times. It's simple really.

Don't plan ahead and you'll suffer.

Yet some people are paid lower wages that don't allow them to save since they have to spend what little money they have on food and rent.

[Enadail]

HAHAHAHHA, bullshit. People get fried for arbitrary reasons all the time, departments are closed and shifted, jobs are sent over seas. Plenty of people are on hard times so CEOs can make even more money, and there aren't jobs for them to take. The whole "blame the poor" schtick gets old fast.

People get fired all the time so people should be prepared for the hard times. It's simple really.

Don't plan ahead and you'll suffer.

And people who are living pay check to pay check can prepare how? By not eating two or three times a week I guess?

Anytime someone attaches "its really simple" to something as complex as economics or general life situations, it gets really hard to take them seriously.

[Frazers]

People get fired all the time so people should be prepared for the hard times. It's simple really.

Don't plan ahead and you'll suffer.

You must be a teenager in a middle class household.

If that dismissive assumption is all you have, I think we know the strength of your debate.

[Chestaan]

People get fired all the time so people should be prepared for the hard times. It's simple really.

Don't plan ahead and you'll suffer.

Yet some people are paid lower wages that don't allow them to save since they have to spend what little money they have on food and rent.

Lies! If a person is poor it is because they are lazy leeching scum. No exceptions!

[Czechanada]

People get fired all the time so people should be prepared for the hard times. It's simple really.

Don't plan ahead and you'll suffer.

And people who are living pay check to pay check can prepare how? By not eating two or three times a week I guess?

By putting a penny in a saving account every month.

[Frazers]

People get fired all the time so people should be prepared for the hard times. It's simple really.

Don't plan ahead and you'll suffer.

And people who are living pay check to pay check can prepare how? By not eating two or three times a week I guess?

By working harder than the next man, pushing themselves to show some ingenuity and further their place in the world. Life is, like it or not, a competition.

[Enadail]

You must be a teenager in a middle class household.

If that dismissive assumption is all you have, I think we know the strength of your debate.

Given your argument is complete crap, someone responding to it with a dismissive assumption is expected.

[Oneracon]

HAHAHAHHA, bullshit. People get fried for arbitrary reasons all the time, departments are closed and shifted, jobs are sent over seas. Plenty of people are on hard times so CEOs can make even more money, and there aren't jobs for them to take. The whole "blame the poor" schtick gets old fast.

People get fired all the time so people should be prepared for the hard times. It's simple really.

Don't plan ahead and you'll suffer.

What about people who's regular life is hard times?

Do you think that the working poor, who barely make enough to pay for food and shelter working multiple jobs, are able to "plan ahead" living paycheque to paycheque?

[Frazers]

If that dismissive assumption is all you have, I think we know the strength of your debate.

Given your argument is complete crap, someone responding to it with a dismissive assumption is expected.

I like to start off with an optimistic opinion of a debate forum and work from there although if what you're saying is the nationstates standard then I suppose the sheen will be taken off soon enough.

[Enadail]

By working harder than the next man, pushing themselves to show some ingenuity and further their place in the world.

If you believe this is how you get farther in the world, you really are a teenager. Because its not.

Working hard does not grant you better opportunities, and being better then others does not improve your position. Plenty of people are hired based on looks or connections, and do shit for a company. Plenty of hard workers who work 3 jobs a day are fired because the boss owes someone else a favor.

"If you work hard, you can achieve anything" is a naive ideal that falls apart once you get to the real world.

Life is, like it or not, a competition.

Nor does it work as your fantasy presents it. Its both a competition and its not. Plenty of people are born into privilege and show it through their actions, many of the hardest workers fail because luck works against them.

[Czechanada]

And people who are living pay check to pay check can prepare how? By not eating two or three times a week I guess?

By working harder than the next man, pushing themselves to show some ingenuity and further their place in the world. Life is, like it or not, a competition.

Someone has to work in the grocery stores and other minimum wage jobs in order for the economy to function. Not everyone can be at the top.

[Enadail]

Given your argument is complete crap, someone responding to it with a dismissive assumption is expected.

I like to start off with an optimistic opinion of a debate forum and work from there although if what you're saying is the nationstates standard then I suppose the sheen will be taken off soon enough.

Given you entered, as a new person, with a baseless, unreal statement, its hard to take you seriously. Try facts or evidence, or at least something that applies to the real world, and you'll get the respect you apparently desire.

[Oneracon]

And people who are living pay check to pay check can prepare how? By not eating two or three times a week I guess?

By working harder than the next man, pushing themselves to show some ingenuity and further their place in the world. Life is, like it or not, a competition.

In a study in 2010, 11% of all households in the US are "working poverty". That means that at least one person in that household is employed (usually with multiple jobs) and the household still only earns 50% of the median American wage.

The majority of the American poor are working at least one job to try and feed their families.

[United States of tysonland]

Yet some people are paid lower wages that don't allow them to save since they have to spend what little money they have on food and rent.

Lies! If a person is poor it is because they are lazy leeching scum. No exceptions!

"If a person is poor....they are a leeching scum"? That is an idiotic response. Does that make any sense? What social class are you in? Middle class? Upper class? Lower class? Regardless what did you do to get there? Nothing. You did nothing to build your way up or build you're way down. You were simply born there, just like the wealthy class is born into their social position. However if you are born into the lower classes low enough and never have a chance to expand your education, there is no way one can build themselves up. The reason we have the lower class is because of the social chains that our government put on them. Yes there are lazy people who have gotten them selves into their situations however if you were to look at numbers showing how many were born into poverty and die into it, it will be very high. There are always rare occurrences that a person works hard on their education and is in the right place and time to get a good opportunity To go further in life. Yes everyone can go up and down in class but there is no way to stereotype everyone as lazy because in many places they are maintaining their families and can't get more than 5:50 an hour. They are working multiple jobs a day and still can't support their family. How is that lazy?

[Frazers]

By working harder than the next man, pushing themselves to show some ingenuity and further their place in the world. Life is, like it or not, a competition.

In a study in 2010, 11% of all households in the US are "working poverty". That means that at least one person in that household is employed (usually with multiple jobs) and the household still only earns 50% of the median American wage.

The majority of the American poor are working at least one job to try and feed their families.

I'll ignore the baseless dismissive posters and talk to you since you have the decency to stick to debate. Thankyou for that.

The study you state the findings of (but don't reference) is in regards to households, not individuals. That someone has burdened themselves with those unwilling or unable to help them doesn't change what i've said.

Perhaps you could reference the study in either case (as it would be interesting enough).

[Czechanada]

Lies! If a person is poor it is because they are lazy leeching scum. No exceptions!

"If a person is poor....they are a leeching scum"? That is an idiotic response. Does that make any sense? What social class are you in? Middle class? Upper class? Lower class? Regardless what did you do to get there? Nothing. You did nothing to build your way up or build you're way down. You were simply born there. However if you are born into the lower classes low enough and never have a chance to expand your education, there is no way one can build themselves up. The reason we have the lower class is because of the social chains that our government put on them. Yes there are lazy people who have gotten them selves into their situations however if you were to look at numbers showing how many were born into poverty and die into it, it will be very high. There are always rare occurrences that a person works hard on their education and is in the right place and time to get a good opportunity To go further in life. Yes everyone can go up and down in class but there is no way to stereotype everyone as lazy because in many places they are maintaining their families and can't get more than 5:50 an hour. They are working multiple jobs a day and still can't support their family. How is that lazy?

Chestaan was being sarcastic.

[Enadail]

Lies! If a person is poor it is because they are lazy leeching scum. No exceptions!

"If a person is poor....they are a leeching scum"? That is an idiotic response. Does that make any sense? What social class are you in? Middle class? Upper class? Lower class? Regardless what did you do to get there? Nothing. You did nothing to build your way up or build you're way down. You were simply born there. However if you are born into the lower classes low enough and never have a chance to expand your education, there is no way one can build themselves up. The reason we have the lower class is because of the social chains that our government put on them. Yes there are lazy people who have gotten them selves into their situations however if you were to look at numbers showing how many were born into poverty and die into it, it will be very high. There are always rare occurrences that a person works hard on their education and is in the right place and time to get a good opportunity To go further in life. Yes everyone can go up and down in class but there is no way to stereotype everyone as lazy because in many places they are maintaining their families and can't get more than 5:50 an hour. They are working multiple jobs a day and still can't support their family. How is that lazy?

Welcome to the board. I would recommend looking at more the one post to get the context of what a poster is saying. Chestaan is giving a sarcastic response to a previous poster.