Healthcare: Right or Privilege?

[Dilange]

It's a privilege. Claiming that it is a right basically violates other people's right to economic self-determination and their property rights. Until you can come up with a magic healthcare machine that dispenses health without using any money, healthcare is a privilege that everyone are not entitled to.

So what about the "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?

[Divair]

It's a privilege. Claiming that it is a right basically violates other people's right to economic self-determination and their property rights. Until you can come up with a magic healthcare machine that dispenses health without using any money, healthcare is a privilege that everyone are not entitled to.

So what about the "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?

Specifically the "life" part.

[Dilange]

So what about the "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?

Specifically the "life" part.

I guess its circumstantial. Even the Right apparently dont follow the roots that they attack the Left on.

[Tlaceceyaya]

It's a privilege. Claiming that it is a right basically violates other people's right to economic self-determination and their property rights. Until you can come up with a magic healthcare machine that dispenses health without using any money, healthcare is a privilege that everyone are not entitled to.

Why does economic self-determination trump life?

[Indira]

Right. And yes, I am talking about actual healthcare and not stuff like botox or sex change ops

[Regnum Dominae]

Interesting, we discussed this in Spanish II yesterday.

For emergency care, fine.

For cosmetic stuff like plastic surgery, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

What do you consider plastic surgery? What about people who are in severe accidents who do not want to walk around and have people stare at them. The problem with cosmetic/plastic surgery is that it is not always "trivial".

Plastic surgery is not necessary.

[Vindiria]

So what about the "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?

Specifically the "life" part.

If I have to work a lot more for being able to buy medication that I need to live, there is no really liberty there. And if you know that you will die because you don't have the money for going to the hospital, you can't be really happy.

[Regnum Dominae]

It's a right. Thankfully, the majority of countries understand this.

Is plastic surgery, Botox, and sex change a right?

[Divair]

Is plastic surgery, Botox, and sex change a right?

Do they maintain your right to life? No? Then they're not.

[Professional Leaders]

Health-care is a privilege. If you don't pay taxes or have the means to pay for your own healthcare, you don't deserve it.

[Oneracon]

It's a right. Thankfully, the majority of countries understand this.

Is plastic surgery, Botox, and sex change a right?

To answer your questions in order: yes in some cases, no, yes in some cases

[Vindiria]

Health-care is a privilege. If you don't pay taxes or have the means to pay for your own healthcare, you don't deserve it.

Why not?

[Samuraikoku]

It's a privilege. Claiming that it is a right basically violates other people's right to economic self-determination and their property rights. Until you can come up with a magic healthcare machine that dispenses health without using any money, healthcare is a privilege that everyone are not entitled to.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml

Article 25.

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_health

QED, Hippostania.

[Egalland]

Healthcare is an undeniable right.

[Normandium]

It's a right. Thankfully, the majority of countries understand this.

Is plastic surgery, Botox, and sex change a right?

Plastic surgery depends on the situation, but overall it would be occasional.

No to Botox.

Sex change, again, would depend on the situation, and less often than plastic surgery.

[Samuraikoku]

Health-care is a privilege. If you don't pay taxes or have the means to pay for your own healthcare, you don't deserve it.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml

Article 25.

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_health

[Vitaphone Racing]

Health-care is a privilege. If you don't pay taxes or have the means to pay for your own healthcare, you don't deserve it.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_health

So in essence, whether or not healthcare is a right or a privilege depends on which society you form a part of. There is no uniform set of rights held by every society around the world although some maybe similar.

[Chestaan]

Healthcare is a right, of course.

[Samuraikoku]

So in essence, whether or not healthcare is a right or a privilege depends on which society you form a part of. There is no uniform set of rights held by every society around the world although some maybe similar.

Actually Article 25 says the contrary.

Article 25.

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

[Vitaphone Racing]

So in essence, whether or not healthcare is a right or a privilege depends on which society you form a part of. There is no uniform set of rights held by every society around the world although some maybe similar.

Actually Article 25 says the contrary.

Article 25.

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Was healthcare a right before Article 25 was written?

[Samuraikoku]

Was healthcare a right before Article 25 was written?

No. Thank goodness for the UDHR, right?

And before someone brings in it's not technically legally binding, by adhering to the UN Charter you're implicitly accepting its validity.

[Oneracon]

Was healthcare a right before Article 25 was written?

No. Thank goodness for the UDHR, right?

And before someone brings in it's not technically legally binding, by adhering to the UN Charter you're implicitly accepting its validity.

'MURRICA doesn't need no Yoo-En commies telling it what to do

[Magnus Portucale]

It's a Right but thinks Like plastic surgery are clearly not a Right unless it's a result of an accident or something like that.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Was healthcare a right before Article 25 was written?

No. Thank goodness for the UDHR, right?

Which is my point. Natural rights don't exist. Society decides what rights it will recognize and protect.

[Oneracon]

No. Thank goodness for the UDHR, right?

Which is my point. Natural rights don't exist. Society decides what rights it will recognize and protect.

And the UN, made up of the majority of nations on this planet, decided that health care was a right. Hence why it is in the UDHR.