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Blood quantum

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In this scenario, are you black?

Yes, full black.
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No, not black at all.
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Half black.
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Quarter black.
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45%
Something else I'll explain.
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Postby Neesika » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:46 am

Say your mother's father is black, but her mother is white. Is YOUR mother black? Or white? Or do you think the average person sees her and understands that she is half and half?

Say your father is white. Are you half black? Quarter black?

At what point are you not black?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:48 am

At the point the phrase "What up my nigger?" gets you a hospital stay rather than a knuckle bump.

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Postby Neesika » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:50 am

Fartsniffage wrote:At the point the phrase "What up my nigger?" gets you a hospital stay rather than a knuckle bump.

Skin tone?
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Postby Mikertaz Kein » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:52 am

Fartsniffage wrote:At the point the phrase "What up my nigger?" gets you a hospital stay rather than a knuckle bump.


Your first mistake is to use 'nigger' rather than 'nigga'. If you have African in you(:P), then you can say the terms restricted to use by that minority.

Please Note: 'My uncles cousins friends sisters brother is black so its okay...' is not a valid argument. You must be DIRECTLY of African ascendancy or of African Blood to use the term.

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Postby Call to power » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:53 am

Neesika wrote:Skin tone?


this.

I've met a few white people who have black grandfathers and the like and they all seem white to me
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Postby Watched Kettles » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:54 am

Mikertaz Kein wrote:You must be DIRECTLY of African ascendancy ... to use the term.

Ahh, got it. Everyone, then.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:54 am

Neesika wrote:Skin tone?


Pretty much, claiming to be black when you can pass for a member of the Swedish luge team is just pointless and a little sad.

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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:54 am

I don't get what your saying.
My mother is black and my father is white.
I just say I'm 'Mix-race'.
Though it's annoying when people assume
I am black.
That's why I get so pissed off when Obama says
he is black...is he completely forgetting his mothers
heritage.
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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:55 am

Neesika wrote:Say your mother's father is black, but her mother is white. Is YOUR mother black? Or white? Or do you think the average person sees her and understands that she is half and half?

Say your father is white. Are you half black? Quarter black?

At what point are you not black?


Your mother is not black, and you are not black. You and your mother tick the "Mixed Race" box on the census form.

If you and your descendants only marry white people, society will probably consider your descendants white after no fewer than five generations.

Of course, they'll still be mixed race, and should tick that box on the census and when they apply to school, because that tends to wind up in them getting wonderful scholarships for undergrad.

And even better fellowships in grad school.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:55 am

Mikertaz Kein wrote:Your first mistake is to use 'nigger' rather than 'nigga'. If you have African in you(:P), then you can say the terms restricted to use by that minority.

Please Note: 'My uncles cousins friends sisters brother is black so its okay...' is not a valid argument. You must be DIRECTLY of African ascendancy or of African Blood to use the term.


We're all of African descent, how recent it has to be is the question.

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Postby Neesika » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:56 am

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:I don't get what your saying.
My mother is black and my father is white.
I just say I'm 'Mix-race'.
Though it's annoying when people assume
I am black.
That's why I get so pissed off when Obama says
he is black...is he completely forgetting his mothers
heritage.
/rant off. :!:


There are really two questions here.

If one of your parents is black, and another is white, what 'race' do you consider YOURSELF.

The second question is, what do you think others see you as?
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Postby Neesika » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:57 am

Andaluciae wrote:
Your mother is not black, and you are not black. You and your mother tick the "Mixed Race" box on the census form.

So in order to be 'black' you have to be 100% black? Full blood quantum?
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Postby German Nightmare » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:57 am

Mmh. You could always try to break it down into fractions, though I don't see how that's gonna help any. If you have a darker tone of skin because of some of your ancestry, you're just darker skinned.

What I find interesting is the "one drop of blood" rule established throughout the U.S. after the Civil War, whereas before you could have been considered white with a much higher percentage of "black" in you.

(Then again, why is it important? All this racial fractioning serves nothing)
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Postby Hydesland » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:57 am

If I look black, I will call myself black. If I look white, I will call myself white. If I look mixed, I will call myself mixed.

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Postby Vault 10 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:58 am

Neesika wrote:Say your father is white. Are you half black? Quarter black?
At what point are you not black?

At the point when you're at least half not black.

Any less, you can technically claim Blackhood, but only if you adhere to the Black ideals and lifestyle.
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Postby Neesika » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:59 am

German Nightmare wrote:
(Then again, why is it important? All this racial fractioning serves nothing)

It does if you're trying to create a definition of membership in order to parcel out resources.
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Postby Mikertaz Kein » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:00 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Mikertaz Kein wrote:Your first mistake is to use 'nigger' rather than 'nigga'. If you have African in you(:P), then you can say the terms restricted to use by that minority.

Please Note: 'My uncles cousins friends sisters brother is black so its okay...' is not a valid argument. You must be DIRECTLY of African ascendancy or of African Blood to use the term.


We're all of African descent, how recent it has to be is the question.


Which is why I care not what people say. I think that we are all of the same species, so color/culture should not hinder us from pursuing our goals. If one of those goals is to make 'nigga'/'nigger' a word that DOESN'T get people into mad rant about slavery and oppression, then I'm all for it!

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:01 pm

Vault 10 wrote:At the point when you're at least half not black.

Any less, you can technically claim Blackhood, but only if you adhere to the Black ideals and lifestyle.


What is are the black ideals and lifestyle?

I'm hoping that wasn't just a setup so you can go on about watermelon and fried chicken.

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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:01 pm

Neesika wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:
Your mother is not black, and you are not black. You and your mother tick the "Mixed Race" box on the census form.

So in order to be 'black' you have to be 100% black? Full blood quantum?


Yeah, I'd say so. I could see a justification for saying "I'm part Black", just like I say "I'm part Swiss, part German, part Polish and part English and definitely from Ohio".

I certainly don't want to go down the "Jim Crow" road which treated Blackness as being an incurable disease that passed to all of your descendants.
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:02 pm

Neesika wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:I don't get what your saying.
My mother is black and my father is white.
I just say I'm 'Mix-race'.
Though it's annoying when people assume
I am black.
That's why I get so pissed off when Obama says
he is black...is he completely forgetting his mothers
heritage.
/rant off. :!:


There are really two questions here.

If one of your parents is black, and another is white, what 'race' do you consider YOURSELF.

The second question is, what do you think others see you as?


I consider myself of 'Mixed' race.
Depending on how culturally adapt they are to people of mixed race they seem me differently.
Most people from my school and people I know in my City seem me as mixed, though some people
who may not 'hang' around mixed race people or don't know how to tell the difference between any people
of 'colour', may see me as black.

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Postby German Nightmare » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:02 pm

Andaluciae wrote:
Neesika wrote:Say your mother's father is black, but her mother is white. Is YOUR mother black? Or white? Or do you think the average person sees her and understands that she is half and half?

Say your father is white. Are you half black? Quarter black?

At what point are you not black?


Your mother is not black, and you are not black. You and your mother tick the "Mixed Race" box on the census form.

If you and your descendants only marry white people, society will probably consider your descendants white after no fewer than five generations.

Of course, they'll still be mixed race, and should tick that box on the census and when they apply to school, because that tends to wind up in them getting wonderful scholarships for undergrad.

And even better fellowships in grad school.

Then I wonder who can honestly pick "100% black" while filling out their questionnaires. After all, how can you be sure that within your ancestry there ain't no white slave holder from back in the day?

And tone of skin is no clear sign either. Just look at the different kinds of black you might see in Africa.
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Postby Ordo Mallus » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:02 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:At the point the phrase "What up my nigger?" gets you a hospital stay rather than a knuckle bump.

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Postby Andaluciae » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:03 pm

German Nightmare wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:
Neesika wrote:Say your mother's father is black, but her mother is white. Is YOUR mother black? Or white? Or do you think the average person sees her and understands that she is half and half?

Say your father is white. Are you half black? Quarter black?

At what point are you not black?


Your mother is not black, and you are not black. You and your mother tick the "Mixed Race" box on the census form.

If you and your descendants only marry white people, society will probably consider your descendants white after no fewer than five generations.

Of course, they'll still be mixed race, and should tick that box on the census and when they apply to school, because that tends to wind up in them getting wonderful scholarships for undergrad.

And even better fellowships in grad school.

Then I wonder who can honestly pick "100% black" while filling out their questionnaires. After all, how can you be sure that within your ancestry there ain't no white slave holder from back in the day?

And tone of skin is no clear sign either. Just look at the different kinds of black you might see in Africa.


On my floor my freshman year of undergrad we had an Italian kid who was way darker than the genuinely Black kid.
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

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Postby German Nightmare » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:03 pm

Neesika wrote:
German Nightmare wrote:
(Then again, why is it important? All this racial fractioning serves nothing)

It does if you're trying to create a definition of membership in order to parcel out resources.

I'm sorry, what does that mean? "Parcel out resources"?
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