Life After Death: The Evidence

[Namabia]

Something for you Atheist and Evolutionist.

1st Law of Thermodynamics
2nd Law of Thermodynamics

They both proclaim that Jesus is Lord. Also something called "faith".

Awnser this question for me. When my brother prayed over a man who was crippled and he was healed instantly. How do you prove that?
When I prayed over someone and they were healed? How do you prove that?
People that have seen heaven and hell and came back to earth? How do you prove that they were wrong? They weren't asleep. They died. The heart rate went to ----, how do you prove them wrong? When someone was in a worship service and when they were singing she regained her ability to speak? How do you prove that? I've seen Angels-No I wasn't dreaming. How do you prove that? The overall question is. If we do all these miracles in the Name of Jesus Christ, how do you prove that there is no God? I have talked to him, I have seen angels, I have rebuked demons, I have prayed over people,and after all this do you still think that there is no God? I don't understand why its so hard to accept. If I've angels,talked with God,rebuked demons, seen demonic power and rebuked it in the Name of Jesus and it left how can you deny Jesus? There is no awnser to Christians healing and rebuking in the Name of Jesus. We don't carry a medicine with us. How do you prove us wrong? I seriously want to know. How come after all these things, you deny life after death. If all this exists, God is real, Heaven is real, life after death MUST be real. I don't see how evolutionist and atheist can deny this.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I find it hard to believe that if someone is arguing that life after death transcends the Universe that he or she can offer scientific evidence of such considering that nothing within the Universe can empirically measure beyond the Universe.

Why do you insist on being logical?

To mess with people who thought they had me figured out.

[Kashindahar]

Something for you Atheist and Evolutionist.

1st Law of Thermodynamics
2nd Law of Thermodynamics

They both proclaim that Jesus is Lord. Also something called "faith".

Awnser this question for me. When my brother prayed over a man who was crippled and he was healed instantly. How do you prove that?
When I prayed over someone and they were healed? How do you prove that?
People that have seen heaven and hell and came back to earth? How do you prove that they were wrong? They weren't asleep. They died. The heart rate went to ----, how do you prove them wrong? When someone was in a worship service and when they were singing she regained her ability to speak? How do you prove that? I've seen Angels-No I wasn't dreaming. How do you prove that? The overall question is. If we do all these miracles in the Name of Jesus Christ, how do you prove that there is no God? I have talked to him, I have seen angels, I have rebuked demons, I have prayed over people,and after all this do you still think that there is no God? I don't understand why its so hard to accept. If I've angels,talked with God,rebuked demons, seen demonic power and rebuked it in the Name of Jesus and it left how can you deny Jesus? There is no awnser to Christians healing and rebuking in the Name of Jesus. We don't carry a medicine with us. How do you prove us wrong? I seriously want to know. How come after all these things, you deny life after death. If all this exists, God is real, Heaven is real, life after death MUST be real. I don't see how evolutionist and atheist can deny this.

what the fuck am I reading

[Namabia]

Something for you Atheist and Evolutionist.

1st Law of Thermodynamics
2nd Law of Thermodynamics

They both proclaim that Jesus is Lord. Also something called "faith".

Awnser this question for me. When my brother prayed over a man who was crippled and he was healed instantly. How do you prove that?
When I prayed over someone and they were healed? How do you prove that?
People that have seen heaven and hell and came back to earth? How do you prove that they were wrong? They weren't asleep. They died. The heart rate went to ----, how do you prove them wrong? When someone was in a worship service and when they were singing she regained her ability to speak? How do you prove that? I've seen Angels-No I wasn't dreaming. How do you prove that? The overall question is. If we do all these miracles in the Name of Jesus Christ, how do you prove that there is no God? I have talked to him, I have seen angels, I have rebuked demons, I have prayed over people,and after all this do you still think that there is no God? I don't understand why its so hard to accept. If I've angels,talked with God,rebuked demons, seen demonic power and rebuked it in the Name of Jesus and it left how can you deny Jesus? There is no awnser to Christians healing and rebuking in the Name of Jesus. We don't carry a medicine with us. How do you prove us wrong? I seriously want to know. How come after all these things, you deny life after death. If all this exists, God is real, Heaven is real, life after death MUST be real. I don't see how evolutionist and atheist can deny this.

what the fuck am I reading

You are reading what I am saying. If I can do all these things and you still deny there is no life after death. I am becoming confused with that.

[Zoharland]

Something for you Atheist and Evolutionist.

1st Law of Thermodynamics
2nd Law of Thermodynamics

They both proclaim that Jesus is Lord. Also something called "faith".

Awnser this question for me. When my brother prayed over a man who was crippled and he was healed instantly. How do you prove that?
When I prayed over someone and they were healed? How do you prove that?
People that have seen heaven and hell and came back to earth? How do you prove that they were wrong? They weren't asleep. They died. The heart rate went to ----, how do you prove them wrong? When someone was in a worship service and when they were singing she regained her ability to speak? How do you prove that? I've seen Angels-No I wasn't dreaming. How do you prove that? The overall question is. If we do all these miracles in the Name of Jesus Christ, how do you prove that there is no God? I have talked to him, I have seen angels, I have rebuked demons, I have prayed over people,and after all this do you still think that there is no God? I don't understand why its so hard to accept. If I've angels,talked with God,rebuked demons, seen demonic power and rebuked it in the Name of Jesus and it left how can you deny Jesus? There is no awnser to Christians healing and rebuking in the Name of Jesus. We don't carry a medicine with us. How do you prove us wrong? I seriously want to know. How come after all these things, you deny life after death. If all this exists, God is real, Heaven is real, life after death MUST be real. I don't see how evolutionist and atheist can deny this.

This ain't the place for RPing.

Exit General and go to International Incidents and all that up at the top of the page.

[Goath]

Something for you Atheist and Evolutionist.

1st Law of Thermodynamics
2nd Law of Thermodynamics

They both proclaim that Jesus is Lord. Also something called "faith".

Awnser this question for me. When my brother prayed over a man who was crippled and he was healed instantly. How do you prove that?
When I prayed over someone and they were healed? How do you prove that?
People that have seen heaven and hell and came back to earth? How do you prove that they were wrong? They weren't asleep. They died. The heart rate went to ----, how do you prove them wrong? When someone was in a worship service and when they were singing she regained her ability to speak? How do you prove that? I've seen Angels-No I wasn't dreaming. How do you prove that? The overall question is. If we do all these miracles in the Name of Jesus Christ, how do you prove that there is no God? I have talked to him, I have seen angels, I have rebuked demons, I have prayed over people,and after all this do you still think that there is no God? I don't understand why its so hard to accept. If I've angels,talked with God,rebuked demons, seen demonic power and rebuked it in the Name of Jesus and it left how can you deny Jesus? There is no awnser to Christians healing and rebuking in the Name of Jesus. We don't carry a medicine with us. How do you prove us wrong? I seriously want to know. How come after all these things, you deny life after death. If all this exists, God is real, Heaven is real, life after death MUST be real. I don't see how evolutionist and atheist can deny this.

what the fuck am I reading

You are reading what I am saying. If I can do all these things and you still deny there is no life after death. I am becoming confused with that.

We can't prove claims on a message board aren't true. We can simply look at you incredulously and wonder if you simply believe all of these various things are true because you want them to be.

[Kashindahar]

You are reading what I am saying. If I can do all these things and you still deny there is no life after death. I am becoming confused with that.

You're becoming confused?

1st Law of Thermodynamics
2nd Law of Thermodynamics

They both proclaim that Jesus is Lord.

WHAT

Also something called "faith".

Since faith is commonly defined as taking something as true on insufficient evidence to show that it's so from a scientific perspective, this also calls for a:

WHAT

Awnser this question for me. When my brother prayed over a man who was crippled and he was healed instantly. How do you prove that?

How can I prove that your brother healed a cripple?

Don't you mean how can you prove that your brother healed a cripple?

When I prayed over someone and they were healed? How do you prove that?

Same again; don't you mean how can you prove they were healed?

People that have seen heaven and hell and came back to earth? How do you prove that they were wrong? They weren't asleep. They died. The heart rate went to ----, how do you prove them wrong?

If their brains weren't functioning, how did they retain a memory? Their brains certainly weren't recording.

When someone was in a worship service and when they were singing she regained her ability to speak?

Placebo.

I've seen Angels-No I wasn't dreaming. How do you prove that?

Hallucination.

The overall question is. If we do all these miracles in the Name of Jesus Christ

You haven't shown that miracles happen, bro.

Why doesn't god heal amputees?

[Namabia]

How can I believe them? I did them! That is real stuff that has happened. I don't "want" to believe it. I did it lol. Thats why I am asking those questions.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Something for you Atheist and Evolutionist.

1st Law of Thermodynamics
2nd Law of Thermodynamics

They both proclaim that Jesus is Lord. Also something called "faith".

Awnser this question for me. When my brother prayed over a man who was crippled and he was healed instantly. How do you prove that?
When I prayed over someone and they were healed? How do you prove that?
People that have seen heaven and hell and came back to earth? How do you prove that they were wrong? They weren't asleep. They died. The heart rate went to ----, how do you prove them wrong? When someone was in a worship service and when they were singing she regained her ability to speak? How do you prove that? I've seen Angels-No I wasn't dreaming. How do you prove that? The overall question is. If we do all these miracles in the Name of Jesus Christ, how do you prove that there is no God? I have talked to him, I have seen angels, I have rebuked demons, I have prayed over people,and after all this do you still think that there is no God? I don't understand why its so hard to accept. If I've angels,talked with God,rebuked demons, seen demonic power and rebuked it in the Name of Jesus and it left how can you deny Jesus? There is no awnser to Christians healing and rebuking in the Name of Jesus. We don't carry a medicine with us. How do you prove us wrong? I seriously want to know. How come after all these things, you deny life after death. If all this exists, God is real, Heaven is real, life after death MUST be real. I don't see how evolutionist and atheist can deny this.

From the standpoint of science, such is proven or disproven using the Scientific Method.

You ask a question, form a hypothesis, generate tests that can either show the hypothesis to be correct or incorrect(the latter of these is called falsifiability and is extremely important), perform the tests, collect and interpret the data and then either refine or discard the hypothesis. You present this to peers who will test and retest this hypothesis exhaustively. You ask new questions, refine or reformulate a hypothesis and then test again.

If you do this, then you're doing science. Science isn't the search for answers, it's the search for new questions. Answers are an occasional side-effect. *nod*

[Namabia]

You are reading what I am saying. If I can do all these things and you still deny there is no life after death. I am becoming confused with that.

You're becoming confused?

1st Law of Thermodynamics
2nd Law of Thermodynamics

They both proclaim that Jesus is Lord.

WHAT

Also something called "faith".

Since faith is commonly defined as taking something as true on insufficient evidence to show that it's so from a scientific perspective, this also calls for a:

WHAT

Awnser this question for me. When my brother prayed over a man who was crippled and he was healed instantly. How do you prove that?

How can I prove that your brother healed a cripple?

Don't you mean how can you prove that your brother healed a cripple?

When I prayed over someone and they were healed? How do you prove that?

Same again; don't you mean how can you prove they were healed?

People that have seen heaven and hell and came back to earth? How do you prove that they were wrong? They weren't asleep. They died. The heart rate went to ----, how do you prove them wrong?

If their brains weren't functioning, how did they retain a memory? Their brains certainly weren't recording.

When someone was in a worship service and when they were singing she regained her ability to speak?

Placebo.

I've seen Angels-No I wasn't dreaming. How do you prove that?

Hallucination.

The overall question is. If we do all these miracles in the Name of Jesus Christ

You haven't shown that miracles happen, bro.

Why doesn't god heal amputees?

Hallucination? No way possible. There is absolutely no way I could have had a hallucination. Ask the cripple. He is walking now. He isn't in a wheel chair.Watch TBN see if miracles aren't being done. Ask a doctor and see if people were healed. Its a easy thing to see.

[Farnhamia]

How can I believe them? I did them! That is real stuff that has happened. I don't "want" to believe it. I did it lol. Thats why I am asking those questions.

Explain the Laws of Thermodynamics and how they disprove evolution, please.

[Ifreann]

"Hey guys, there could totally be another universe. Therefore, life after death!"
Fail fail does not win.

[Kashindahar]

Hallucination? No way possible. There is absolutely no way I could have had a hallucination.

I'm not sure that you understand the concept of a hallucination.

Ask the cripple. He is walking now. He isn't in a wheel chair.Watch TBN see if miracles aren't being done. Ask a doctor and see if people were healed. Its a easy thing to see.

Why doesn't god cure amputees?

[Dyakovo]

Something for you Atheist and Evolutionist.

1st Law of Thermodynamics
2nd Law of Thermodynamics

They both proclaim that Jesus is Lord.

The first law of thermodynamics, an expression of the principle of conservation of energy, states that energy can be transformed (changed from one form to another), but cannot be created or destroyed.

This does not proclaim Yeshua as lord.

The second law of thermodynamics is an expression of the universal principle of entropy, stating that the entropy of an isolated system which is not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium, and that the entropy change dS of a system undergoing any infinitesimal reversible process is given by δq / T, where δq is the heat supplied to the system and T is the absolute temperature of the system.

This does not proclaim Yeshua as lord.

Also something called "faith".

Faith proves nothing.

Awnser this question for me. When my brother prayed over a man who was crippled and he was healed instantly. How do you prove that?

You don't, because it didn't happen.

When I prayed over someone and they were healed? How do you prove that?

You don't, because it didn't happen.

People that have seen heaven and hell and came back to earth?

Provide one.

How do you prove that they were wrong?

How do you prove they were right, also see next response.

They weren't asleep. They died. The heart rate went to ----, how do you prove them wrong?

Heart stopping does not equal death.

When someone was in a worship service and when they were singing she regained her ability to speak? How do you prove that?

You don't because it didn't happen.

I've seen Angels-No I wasn't dreaming. How do you prove that?

I am unable to prove your delusions.

The overall question is. If we do all these miracles in the Name of Jesus Christ, how do you prove that there is no God?

I don't the burden of proof is on you, and you haven't provided any.

I have talked to him, I have seen angels, I have rebuked demons,

I am unable to prove your delusions.

I have prayed over people,and after all this do you still think that there is no God?

You praying does not equal proof of the existence of your god.

I don't understand why its so hard to accept.

Some of us want something more concrete than what has been provided.

If I've angels,talked with God,rebuked demons, seen demonic power and rebuked it in the Name of Jesus and it left how can you deny Jesus?

Prove you did these things.

[Getbrett]

Hallucination? No way possible. There is absolutely no way I could have had a hallucination. Ask the cripple. He is walking now. He isn't in a wheel chair.Watch TBN see if miracles aren't being done. Ask a doctor and see if people were healed. Its a easy thing to see.

Cool. I've healed amputees and unaborted abortions simply be masturbating over a goat while invoking the name of Enki, Sumerian god of water. I actually did this. Seriously. Your puny Jesus can't do this.

[Jordaxia]

It's not a desperate attempt. When one is constantly attacked for being unreasonable, it follows that one would make an effort to be "reasonable," no?

If I was speaking what I thought to be sound logic, and someone persistently told me I was speaking nonsense, I would not immediately abandon the entire basis of my belief system in order to speak 'sense' to them, without very compelling reason to believe that I was infact the one speaking nonsense.

I should imagine the same goes for them. If they believe science is a lot of bunk and their holy books are the way forward, why ditch the holy books? It does not show much 'faith' in them at all. To do so so readily in the face of concerted opposition certainly reeks of desperation to win to me.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

"Hey guys, there could totally be another universe. Therefore, life after death!"
Fail fail does not win.

I'm actually not arguing against that. It's entirely possible that death is an exit from this Universe and it's entirely possible that there's something beyond it. I'm arguing against the idea that there could ever be empirical evidence of this.

[Jordaxia]

"Hey guys, there could totally be another universe. Therefore, life after death!"
Fail fail does not win.

I'm actually not arguing against that. It's entirely possible that death is an exit from this Universe and it's entirely possible that there's something beyond it. I'm arguing against the idea that there could ever be empirical evidence of this.

I've always had this idea that, if we make a string made out of ectoplasm, and tie it round a guys wrist just before he dies, then we could follow the string trail right to the afterlife. That would be pretty empirical proof.

[Neo Art]

From the standpoint of science, such is proven or disproven using the Scientific Method.

You ask a question, form a hypothesis, generate tests that can either show the hypothesis to be correct or incorrect(the latter of these is called falsifiability and is extremely important), perform the tests, collect and interpret the data and then either refine or discard the hypothesis. You present this to peers who will test and retest this hypothesis exhaustively. You ask new questions, refine or reformulate a hypothesis and then test again.

If you do this, then you're doing science. Science isn't the search for answers, it's the search for new questions. Answers are an occasional side-effect. *nod*

Indeed, and the question is "does praying for people make them better" is a question science CAN test. it's a question we can experiment with. It's a question we can craft control groups, test groups, and apply the scientific method to. If prayer DOES help, we should be able to PROVE that, scientifically.

And, in fact, science HAS done that test. Researches affiliated with none other than the Mayo Clinic itself have done exactly that. They have broken the test studies into groups, they have performed tests consistant with the rigours of scientific methodology. They have treated the hypothesis of "prayer makes people better" with all the demands of the scientific method.

And, based on their exhaustive scientific study they concluded that patients who are told that others are praying for them tend to get......worse

Well, fuck.

[Getbrett]

"Hey guys, there could totally be another universe. Therefore, life after death!"
Fail fail does not win.

I'm actually not arguing against that. It's entirely possible that death is an exit from this Universe and it's entirely possible that there's something beyond it. I'm arguing against the idea that there could ever be empirical evidence of this.

I've always had this idea that, if we make a string made out of ectoplasm, and tie it round a guys wrist just before he dies, then we could follow the string trail right to the afterlife. That would be pretty empirical proof.

But what if you're possessed by Al Capone?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

"Hey guys, there could totally be another universe. Therefore, life after death!"
Fail fail does not win.

I'm actually not arguing against that. It's entirely possible that death is an exit from this Universe and it's entirely possible that there's something beyond it. I'm arguing against the idea that there could ever be empirical evidence of this.

I've always had this idea that, if we make a string made out of ectoplasm, and tie it round a guys wrist just before he dies, then we could follow the string trail right to the afterlife. That would be pretty empirical proof.

Indeed it would be. *checks pockets* It appears however that I'm fresh out of ectoplasm.

[Zoharland]

You are reading what I am saying. If I can do all these things and you still deny there is no life after death. I am becoming confused with that.

You're becoming confused?

1st Law of Thermodynamics
2nd Law of Thermodynamics

They both proclaim that Jesus is Lord.

WHAT

Also something called "faith".

Since faith is commonly defined as taking something as true on insufficient evidence to show that it's so from a scientific perspective, this also calls for a:

WHAT

Awnser this question for me. When my brother prayed over a man who was crippled and he was healed instantly. How do you prove that?

How can I prove that your brother healed a cripple?

Don't you mean how can you prove that your brother healed a cripple?

When I prayed over someone and they were healed? How do you prove that?

Same again; don't you mean how can you prove they were healed?

People that have seen heaven and hell and came back to earth? How do you prove that they were wrong? They weren't asleep. They died. The heart rate went to ----, how do you prove them wrong?

If their brains weren't functioning, how did they retain a memory? Their brains certainly weren't recording.

When someone was in a worship service and when they were singing she regained her ability to speak?

Placebo.

I've seen Angels-No I wasn't dreaming. How do you prove that?

Hallucination.

The overall question is. If we do all these miracles in the Name of Jesus Christ

You haven't shown that miracles happen, bro.

Why doesn't god heal amputees?

Hallucination? No way possible. There is absolutely no way I could have had a hallucination. Ask the cripple. He is walking now. He isn't in a wheel chair.Watch TBN see if miracles aren't being done. Ask a doctor and see if people were healed. Its a easy thing to see.

If you really can heal people, I know of a certain hospital in the city where there are a lot of people that need healing. You'd have no problem, of course?

I mean, you can end their suffering and pain! And you're totally not bullshitting about this!

[Jordaxia]

But what if you're possessed by Al Capone?

That was the first thing I thought of when I heard this D'Souza nut saying that heaven is another dimension we go to when we die, but I couldn't turn it into an easy joke, so I opted for a serious answer.

[LOL ANARCHY NUBZ]

I am also writing a book on my religion, so be prepared to witness the birth of Objectivism. If that name is already taken, I will have to settle with 'Not Catholic' for our name...

Yes, Objectivism is most definitely already taken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)

And it's definitely got nothing to do with religion.

I don't know, it's followed pretty much religiously by some.

[Farnhamia]

"Hey guys, there could totally be another universe. Therefore, life after death!"
Fail fail does not win.

I'm actually not arguing against that. It's entirely possible that death is an exit from this Universe and it's entirely possible that there's something beyond it. I'm arguing against the idea that there could ever be empirical evidence of this.

I've always had this idea that, if we make a string made out of ectoplasm, and tie it round a guys wrist just before he dies, then we could follow the string trail right to the afterlife. That would be pretty empirical proof.

But what if you're possessed by Al Capone?

Funny you should mention that ...