Wanting to enact law, but not following the law.

[Intangelon]

SPOKANE, WA: This sign, "reject SB-5688" -- a Referendum to remove concessions the Washington State Legislature made to homosexual and senior citizen couples in order to give them as many of the rights of a married couple as they could without officially becoming the next Massachusetts -- is on a city street sign, which is illegal for ANY political sign. This little turd is on the division point of Bernard St., northbound, just south of downtown.

I ask NSG: why should those who cannot follow even the smallest of laws be listened to when they want to amend or overturn laws already passed by the legislative body? Here's a close-up:


Surely they have enough volunteers to post their irrationally bigoted nonsense all over town -- and believe me, they have -- that they don't need to break the law to make their point. But they choose to do exactly that. To top it off, when I got out of my car to take that picture, an older gentleman in a Subaru got out of his car and watched me, as if he were assigned to that spot to make sure I didn't tear the sign down. I said nothing to him, snapped my photos, and left.

I hope I filled his irrationally bigoted old heart with a little paranoia. Perhaps that will give him the sense of what it's like to feel like others are watching you closely and suspiciously...and perhaps he'll think about how gay people live with that not just during election season, but every damned day.

Regardless of political point of view, it's not hard to not post where you shouldn't. Anyone here have any stories or pictures of irresponsible or illegal political sign posting, or any other comments? Have at you!

[Intangelon]

And what's with this whole "protect children" nonsense? The ads, which are a pale echo of the California Prop-8 nonsense, keep yammering about kids being taught that "gay marriage is okay" in schools. Maybe I'm of a different era, but no class I was ever in had a damn thing to do about "teaching marriage" of any kind. Where do they get this stuff? It's so patently an appeal to emotion that it distresses me to think that this line of "reasoning" works at all. But surely it must, else they'd not keep trotting it out.

[Peepelonia]

I saw a sign a few months back that said only:

'Please do not throw stonse at this sign'

Apart from that no. This is sorta crap though, next time you pass it it I suggest that you throw crap at it!

[Intangelon]

I saw a sign a few months back that said only:

'Please do not throw stonse at this sign'

Apart from that no. This is sorta crap though, next time you pass it it I suggest that you throw crap at it!

Oh, I have to resist the urge to pull over and pull it down every time I pass it, and I pass it every day. My lovely and sensible GF told me that I'd be better served by doing exactly this -- taking pictures and posting them online. I've got it on Facebook and other sites, too. It reeks of desperation, so exposure is better than pulling it down. Hell, the guy who was watching me probably had a camera of his own, waiting to do the same, should I have pulled it down. Thing is, I have a legal leg to stand on, he doesn't...but that's my point -- go look for rational thought from this segment of the population.

[Ifreann]

I saw a sign a few months back that said only:

'Please do not throw stonse at this sign'

Apart from that no. This is sorta crap though, next time you pass it it I suggest that you throw crap at it!

Oh, I have to resist the urge to pull over and pull it down every time I pass it, and I pass it every day. My lovely and sensible GF told me that I'd be better served by doing exactly this -- taking pictures and posting them online. I've got it on Facebook and other sites, too. It reeks of desperation, so exposure is better than pulling it down. Hell, the guy who was watching me probably had a camera of his own, waiting to do the same, should I have pulled it down. Thing is, I have a legal leg to stand on, he doesn't...but that's my point -- go look for rational thought from this segment of the population.

Presumably if its against the law there, then the people responsible would get fined or some such. Is there someone you can report them to? That'll show 'em.

[Intangelon]

I saw a sign a few months back that said only:

'Please do not throw stonse at this sign'

Apart from that no. This is sorta crap though, next time you pass it it I suggest that you throw crap at it!

Oh, I have to resist the urge to pull over and pull it down every time I pass it, and I pass it every day. My lovely and sensible GF told me that I'd be better served by doing exactly this -- taking pictures and posting them online. I've got it on Facebook and other sites, too. It reeks of desperation, so exposure is better than pulling it down. Hell, the guy who was watching me probably had a camera of his own, waiting to do the same, should I have pulled it down. Thing is, I have a legal leg to stand on, he doesn't...but that's my point -- go look for rational thought from this segment of the population.

Presumably if its against the law there, then the people responsible would get fined or some such. Is there someone you can report them to? That'll show 'em.

There's the police, but without anyone to pin the illegal act on, there's little, if anything, the authorities can do. I'd have to catch someone in the act of placing the sign.

[Yenke-Bin]

Well these people are essentially trying to pass OT law about Homosexuality, but they themselves don't practice the entire law. Jesus called these people "Hypocrites".

[Pink Lillies]

I can't quite tell but is there a name of a particular group or organisation anywhere on the poster?

If so then do your local laws allow for organisations to be held accountable for the actions of thier members in regard to inappropriately palced signage?

I would make a point of politely letting your local roads department know about the mispalced sign and let them remove it especially if it appears that someone is watching the sign.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Can you put a sign up somewhere around the street sign that says "Hey, that sign on the street sign is illegal. Should you really trust people who break the law?"

[The_pantless_hero]

You should go around tearing them down. If anyone stops you, tell them you are upholding the law. What are THEY going to do about it?

Can you put a sign up somewhere around the street sign that says "Hey, that sign on the street sign is illegal. Should you really trust people who break the law?"

Also good idea.

[Intangelon]

Can you put a sign up somewhere around the street sign that says "Hey, that sign on the street sign is illegal. Should you really trust people who break the law?"

I'd love to, but it'd get taken down in minutes, if not seconds. I'd love to have the spare time to stand there with a sign like that, though.

[LOL ANARCHY NUBZ]

You sound surprised.

[H N Fiddlebottoms VIII]

Can you put a sign up somewhere around the street sign that says "Hey, that sign on the street sign is illegal. Should you really trust people who break the law?"

I'd love to, but it'd get taken down in minutes, if not seconds. I'd love to have the spare time to stand there with a sign like that, though.

They can't have one guy watching their sign at all times, so you don't have to watch your sign at all times either. Just find some other people who wish to join the greatest battle of our age, the Great Sign Stand Off of Bernard Street in Spokane, Washington.
Election day is tomorrow, so finding 18 hours or so worth of help shouldn't be too hard.

[Intangelon]

Can you put a sign up somewhere around the street sign that says "Hey, that sign on the street sign is illegal. Should you really trust people who break the law?"

I'd love to, but it'd get taken down in minutes, if not seconds. I'd love to have the spare time to stand there with a sign like that, though.

They can't have one guy watching their sign at all times, so you don't have to watch your sign at all times either. Just find some other people who wish to join the greatest battle of our age, the Great Sign Stand Off of Bernard Street in Spokane, Washington.
Election day is tomorrow, so finding 18 hours or so worth of help shouldn't be too hard.

Honey, if I thought it was actually a crisis, I sure as hell wouldn't have bothered posting here.

It's annoying, is all.

[Cosmopoles]

If it was a sign calling for a crackdown on sign posting violations then it would damage their position. Like when the Justice minister over here got arrested for being drunk and disorderly while trying to pass tougher laws on alcohol fuelled violence.

Also: is it ironic that you hope the people you think are watching you are paranoid?

[Greed and Death]

So one must follow all laws to have a voice ?

[Nation of Quebec]

And what's with this whole "protect children" nonsense? The ads, which are a pale echo of the California Prop-8 nonsense, keep yammering about kids being taught that "gay marriage is okay" in schools. Maybe I'm of a different era, but no class I was ever in had a damn thing to do about "teaching marriage" of any kind. Where do they get this stuff? It's so patently an appeal to emotion that it distresses me to think that this line of "reasoning" works at all. But surely it must, else they'd not keep trotting it out.

It's because these people are using basic scare mongering statics that have no real merit or basis in fact. They hide behind children to reason their bigoted views and hope they can scare enough people to believe this nonsense. The gay community should fight back with signs that say "fight bigotry" and "protect freedom". At least those signs would have some basis in reality.

This is exactly why I'm against issues of civil rights being taken in the hands of the public. It always results in tyranny by majority.

[Intangelon]

If it was a sign calling for a crackdown on sign posting violations then it would damage their position. Like when the Justice minister over here got arrested for being drunk and disorderly while trying to pass tougher laws on alcohol fuelled violence.

Also: is it ironic that you hope the people you think are watching you are paranoid?

I don't think so. I hope they feel like action is being taken, and that they can't blithely break laws and claim the high ground.

[Libertarian Governance]

I'd just pull the sign down. Their view is silly to start with. What do senior citizens have to do with the thing?

[Intangelon]

So one must follow all laws to have a voice ?

Oh, please. There's private property all over the area. It isn't like there's no place to post. They just want to be seen in the middle of the road, so their message cannot be ignored. It's a petulant tactic, and it needs to be eliminated.

[Intangelon]

I'd just pull the sign down. Their view is silly to start with. What do senior citizens have to do with the thing?

The SB 5688 legislation allowed for domestic partnerships for seniors who didn't want to lose Social Security benefits by getting married. THis allowed them the ability to make legal medical and other decisions.

[H N Fiddlebottoms VIII]

They can't have one guy watching their sign at all times, so you don't have to watch your sign at all times either. Just find some other people who wish to join the greatest battle of our age, the Great Sign Stand Off of Bernard Street in Spokane, Washington.
Election day is tomorrow, so finding 18 hours or so worth of help shouldn't be too hard.

Honey, if I thought it was actually a crisis, I sure as hell wouldn't have bothered posting here.

It's annoying, is all.

As an optimist, I truly believe that anything can be made into a crisis if you try hard enough. Let no reason stand in the way of unnecessary action and melodrama, that's the new American way.

[Merieu]

Republicans are a very selfish, childish lot, imo. I earnestly cannot comprehend how one could be so disgusted by gays (a 10% demographic in the American population) that they must protest it's very existence. All their ad campaigns say it's for protecting children but...

... since when is giving an orphan child a loving home a bad thing? With the average number of married couples in America already at a low rate, and a growing number of underpriveleged or abandoned children, legalizing gay marriage sounds like just the thing we need to fix up our family problems.

[WhatchaTalkinBout]

Republicans are a very selfish, childish lot, imo. I earnestly cannot comprehend how one could be so disgusted by gays (a 10% demographic in the American population) that they must protest it's very existence. All their ad campaigns say it's for protecting children but...

... since when is giving an orphan child a loving home a bad thing? With the average number of married couples in America already at a low rate, and a growing number of underpriveleged or abandoned children, legalizing gay marriage sounds like just the thing we need to fix up our family problems.

...And gays, and orphans, and etc...

[Sumamba Buwhan]

Get fingerprints from the sign and then transfer them to a weapon used in a murder which you can turn in anonymously to the police.

You might have to murder someone so that you can get the weapon in the first place.