A life wasted on religion?

[Desperate Measures]

No. I suggest you educate yourself.

HA! You just proved that god can exist. He doesn't need a creator according to Quantum Fluctuation. He could have just popped out of no where and created the universe. You just put yourself at a crossroad. Both can happen. Case closed.

Who would like to go on a mythical quest with me to search for The Razor of Occam?

[Great Nepal]

HA! You just proved that god can exist. He doesn't need a creator according to Quantum Fluctuation. He could have just popped out of no where and created the universe. You just put yourself at a crossroad. Both can happen. Case closed.

Who would like to go on a mythical quest with me to search for The Razor of Occam?

If you promise to refer to it in fancier way than "razor". That makes it sound like shaving brand.

[Samuraikoku]

Who would like to go on a mythical quest with me to search for The Razor of Occam?

I call tank.

[Desperate Measures]

Who would like to go on a mythical quest with me to search for The Razor of Occam?

If you promise to refer to it in fancier way than "razor". That makes it sound like shaving brand.

The Lubricated Stripped Triple Blade of Occam?

[Ashmoria]

the only time I think its a waste is when someone does real harm to themselves due to religious beliefs.

unsuitable people who get married because of a pregnancy. people who stay in marriages with people they hate because its a sin to get divorced. people who stay in violent marriages because a priest tells tem they have to. people who have far more children than they want and can care for because they believed it when they were told that birth control is a sin. people who sign up to fight in a war that god wants. people who suppress their sexuality because god hates fags.

that kind of thing.

If you are implying Catholicism, they don't care if you get divorced really anymore. Lots of people do. The same thing with birth control, as most Catholics use it. Unless you mean the really religious bible thumpers.

I mean anyone who makes a bad decision because their religion tells them to

it isn't a waste to go to church, pray, read the bible. it IS a waste to never go to college because you are supposed to be submissive to the husband who doesn't want you to go.

[Great Nepal]

If you promise to refer to it in fancier way than "razor". That makes it sound like shaving brand.

The Lubricated Stripped Triple Blade of Occam?

Yes. I call Assassin.

[Cosara]

HA! You just proved that god can exist. He doesn't need a creator according to Quantum Fluctuation. He could have just popped out of no where and created the universe.

1. So God isn't eternal?
2. Unnecessary additional unscientific, untestable and unfalsifiable assumption puts it in violation of lex parsimoniae.

You just put yourself at a crossroad. Both can happen. Case closed.

Both can happen sure.
However, that means God cant be eternal and said assumption of God is not valid.

1. God can be eternal. According to Quantum Fluctuation, he could be a super-intellegent form of energy which is yet to be discovered by science. As science shows, energy cannot be destroyed, only changed, therefor god could have been a super-intellegent and awesomly powerful form of energy, which was self-aware and could create something simply by thinking about it. This is scientificly possible, because there is no evidence to support that it is impossible for this to happen.

[Desperate Measures]

1. So God isn't eternal?
2. Unnecessary additional unscientific, untestable and unfalsifiable assumption puts it in violation of lex parsimoniae.


Both can happen sure.
However, that means God cant be eternal and said assumption of God is not valid.

1. God can be eternal. According to Quantum Fluctuation, he could be a super-intellegent form of energy which is yet to be discovered by science. As science shows, energy cannot be destroyed, only changed, therefor god could have been a super-intellegent and awesomly powerful form of energy, which was self-aware and could create something simply by thinking about it. This is scientificly possible, because there is no evidence to support that it is impossible for this to happen.

Why would it be probable?

[Great Nepal]

1. So God isn't eternal?
2. Unnecessary additional unscientific, untestable and unfalsifiable assumption puts it in violation of lex parsimoniae.


Both can happen sure.
However, that means God cant be eternal and said assumption of God is not valid.

1. God can be eternal.

Nope. Using your idea of creation of God, there must have been moment before God.

According to Quantum Fluctuation, he could be a super-intellegent form of energy which is yet to be discovered by science. As science shows, energy cannot be destroyed, only changed, therefor god could have been a super-intellegent and awesomly powerful form of energy, which was self-aware and could create something simply by thinking about it. This is scientificly possible, because there is no evidence to support that it is impossible for this to happen.

You just violated lex parsimoniae.

[Jamzmania]

My question goes out to our more religious community however all are free to voice whatever opinion they have on this topic.

My question is, as a supporter of whatever religion you may be no doubt the majority of them require you to impose restriction on yourself or obligate you to partake in certain activities, but have you ever considered that if it were indeed true that you only live once would you feel that you have not lived a life as free and accomplished as you could have done?

Maybe there are times when you as a Muslim wished to partake in alcohol, after all there is some clear craze over it, maybe you as Jew wondered as to the taste of pork or even you as a Christian simply cannot be bothered to attend your regular Sunday service?
These are but examples, the spectrum in which you could have limited your life could be major or minor, so would you feel cheated that you limited yourself for no reason or simply adopt and impartial view?

As an additional question, you think its wise to restrict your own life on something that may not in fact exist, especially if you wished to partake in what you were religiously disallowed?

My beliefs on the issue is simply live life the way you want to live it, as long as you aren't causing harm to others why restrict your own life in any single way when you could actually be wasting the one and only chance you have at living?

I don't go to church but am a strict Christian. I sin every day, you aren't going to be struck down with lightning for sinning just once.

[Cosara]

1. God can be eternal. According to Quantum Fluctuation, he could be a super-intellegent form of energy which is yet to be discovered by science. As science shows, energy cannot be destroyed, only changed, therefor god could have been a super-intellegent and awesomly powerful form of energy, which was self-aware and could create something simply by thinking about it. This is scientificly possible, because there is no evidence to support that it is impossible for this to happen.

Why would it be probable?

Didn't say it is probable. I am simply pointing out that this is a possibility.

[Samuraikoku]

therefor god could have been a super-intellegent and awesomly powerful form of energy, which was self-aware and could create something simply by thinking about it. This is scientificly possible, because there is no evidence to support that it is impossible for this to happen.

Except this only assumes a whole lot of things.

[Samuraikoku]

Didn't say it is probable. I am simply pointing out that this is a possibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

[Great Nepal]

Why would it be probable?

Didn't say it is probable. I am simply pointing out that this is a possibility.

Everything is possibility. Its violation of lex parsimoniae means its not scientific idea and its probability is so remote that it can be ignored completely.

[Desperate Measures]

Why would it be probable?

Didn't say it is probable. I am simply pointing out that this is a possibility.

A possibility equal to FSM.

[Samuraikoku]

Didn't say it is probable. I am simply pointing out that this is a possibility.

A possibility equal to FSM.

Or whatever gods from whatever pantheons.

[Genivaria]

All life is wasted, which is why I plan on becoming a Lich.

Paladin. I'd have to fight you.

But why? I won't hurt anyone innocent. Seriously fuck D&D's insistence that Necromancy is inherently evil.
Just give me all your death row inmates and I'll give you workers who never tire or talk back EVERYBODY WINS!

[Samuraikoku]

But why? I won't hurt anyone innocent. Seriously fuck D&D's insistence that Necromancy is inherently evil.

WoW Paladin.

I was going to be an Elf warrior on D&D, but we couldn't figure it out. It was the last time we RP'd with the high school buddies. *sigh*

[Lindenholt]

It just reminded me of a story of Ali, often quoted in such debates. I'm an Atheist but couldn't help myself to share this;

One day Ali meets an irreligious while going to praying, he is told that he is wasting his time that he could spend better. Then Ali answers; "Let's suppose for once that the god does not exist, I would not lose anything. But what if it exists, what would you lose ?"

This could be the smartest Ali story i heard in my life

[Abatael]

My question goes out to our more religious community however all are free to voice whatever opinion they have on this topic.

My question is, as a supporter of whatever religion you may be no doubt the majority of them require you to impose restriction on yourself or obligate you to partake in certain activities, but have you ever considered that if it were indeed true that you only live once would you feel that you have not lived a life as free and accomplished as you could have done?

No.

Maybe there are times when you as a Muslim wished to partake in alcohol, after all there is some clear craze over it, maybe you as Jew wondered as to the taste of pork or even you as a Christian simply cannot be bothered to attend your regular Sunday service?

Even not as a Muslim, I have no want to drink alcohol. I eat pork. You do not have to go to church every Sunday; in fact, there are days I have missed church.

These are but examples, the spectrum in which you could have limited your life could be major or minor, so would you feel cheated that you limited yourself for no reason or simply adopt and impartial view?

No; in now way am I "cheated" when I try to live a life free of sin. In fact, I feel the opposite of being cheated; I feel better, when I don't sin.

As an additional question, you think its wise to restrict your own life on something that may not in fact exist, especially if you wished to partake in what you were religiously disallowed?

I do, and I don't generally want to sin, so, no.

My beliefs on the issue is simply live life the way you want to live it, as long as you aren't causing harm to others why restrict your own life in any single way when you could actually be wasting the one and only chance you have at living?

Because it's wrong in your opinion.

[Cosara]

Didn't say it is probable. I am simply pointing out that this is a possibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

So you're saying that Evolution and the Big Bang Theory make less assumtions than the possibility of an unbelievibly rare type of energy which is self aware and capable of creating and minipulating things using their minds.

[Hannibaelica]

Well it's not exactly as if you can do everything anyway, so you just end up missing different experiences than others. Then again, who honestly follows every single commandment of their religion? Many of them are beneficial to follow, and the ones that aren't are generally ignored. (Well unless you're fundamentalist or a social conservative)

[MichelleCorvelle]

All of those opinions really don't matter. Stick up for what you believe in!

[Great Nepal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

So you're saying that Evolution and the Big Bang Theory make less assumtions than the possibility of an unbelievibly rare type of energy which is self aware and capable of creating and minipulating things using their minds.

A lot less, yes.

[Special Containment Procedures]

heh heh, religion...