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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:32 am

Heltonia wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Oh, that's convincing.

HOw can none of you understand this? Do you burn peoples houses too? Its WRONG. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Dont give me that "Morality is subjected" crap either. You know this is wrong.


There is a reason why burning a house is wrong = a number in fact. We can talk about destruction of property, risking lives, cost etc. There are reasons.

Why is homosexuality wrong? What harm does it do? How does it negatively affect the homosexuals or society? If you can't provide reasons it isn't wrong.

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Postby Essos » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:32 am

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The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Then you should probably get stoning single people as well.

WHY?! thats horrible!


It's the law. Just ask leviticus. There's plenty of good stoning worthy deeds in there. And we know how much you love to follow Leviticus.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:32 am

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The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Then you should probably get stoning single people as well.

WHY?! thats horrible!


You just said it yourself...without a woman, we men are not complete!
So what do we do with single guys if they won't marry a woman?

The Old Testament says we should kill pretty much anyone who doesn't abide by rules such as yours...so, why not single people?
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Postby Heltonia » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:32 am

Lengleland wrote:This is my honest opinion, Please don't hate me for it.

Being a strong baptist Christian, I believe The bible DOES say: "A man shall not lay with a man as he would with a woman"

That's in Leviticus 18:22.

If two people of the same sex marry, then it is almost definite that they will sleep together. I'm trying to suggest that no Christian should believe that people of the same sex marry for the bible clearly says it.

In regards to lesbianism, Just because the bible says "man" the word "man" applies to women as well.

Thank you for allowing me to speak on this interesting topic. I look forward to seeing some more of your posts.

Thank you, someone who understands.

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:33 am

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Essos wrote:

Only when I'm involved. *insert further innuendos of incredible hotness here*


I took it as an innuendo of flaming, but that also works.

I was hoping someone would run with that, I felt it was a good setup.
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Postby Essos » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:34 am

Lengleland wrote:This is my honest opinion, Please don't hate me for it.

Being a strong baptist Christian, I believe The bible DOES say: "A man shall not lay with a man as he would with a woman"

That's in Leviticus 18:22.

If two people of the same sex marry, then it is almost definite that they will sleep together. I'm trying to suggest that no Christian should believe that people of the same sex marry for the bible clearly says it.

In regards to lesbianism, Just because the bible says "man" the word "man" applies to women as well.

Thank you for allowing me to speak on this interesting topic. I look forward to seeing some more of your posts.


We've done some work addressing this point earlier, but you seem more coherent, so we'll try again. Do you believe that women who are raped should marry their rapists, provided the father of the rapee is paid 30 silver sheckels or equivalent?

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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:34 am

Lengleland wrote:This is my honest opinion, Please don't hate me for it.

Being a strong baptist Christian, I believe The bible DOES say: "A man shall not lay with a man as he would with a woman"

That's in Leviticus 18:22.

If two people of the same sex marry, then it is almost definite that they will sleep together. I'm trying to suggest that no Christian should believe that people of the same sex marry for the bible clearly says it.

In regards to lesbianism, Just because the bible says "man" the word "man" applies to women as well.

Thank you for allowing me to speak on this interesting topic. I look forward to seeing some more of your posts.


At some point, I think you should talk with Menassa. He is a NSG user that is very well-versed in the Old Testament and Hebrew theology.
He'll explain to you that Leviticus 18:22 does not apply to Christians, only Levite Jews.
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Postby Heltonia » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:34 am

Liriena wrote:
Heltonia wrote:WHY?! thats horrible!


You just said it yourself...without a woman, we men are not complete!
So what do we do with single guys if they won't marry a woman?

The Old Testament says we should kill pretty much anyone who doesn't abide by rules such as yours...so, why not single people?

I never said that. Stop twisting words.

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:35 am

Heltonia wrote:
Lengleland wrote:This is my honest opinion, Please don't hate me for it.

Being a strong baptist Christian, I believe The bible DOES say: "A man shall not lay with a man as he would with a woman"

That's in Leviticus 18:22.

If two people of the same sex marry, then it is almost definite that they will sleep together. I'm trying to suggest that no Christian should believe that people of the same sex marry for the bible clearly says it.

In regards to lesbianism, Just because the bible says "man" the word "man" applies to women as well.

Thank you for allowing me to speak on this interesting topic. I look forward to seeing some more of your posts.

Thank you, someone who understands.

Yeah, Leviticus is also the same part of the Bible that forbids getting tattoos, shaving, mixed fabrics, having sex during menstruation, etc.
If you've done ANY of those things, you've committed a sin on par with homosexuality according to those laws.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:35 am

Heltonia wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
I am completed by God regardless of whether or not I have a partner.

The Church is Jesus' bride and so the only partner I need is Jesus. Anyone else is a gift from God.

Im referring to Adam and Eve and how Eve was made from Adam's rib. I'm not questioning your inherent, god-given value as a person.

Well, if you think about it logically, Adam having sex with Eve...makes him both somewhat homosexual and incestuous.
Eve shared his exact same DNA, except for gender-related purposes. Which means that she was pretty much a glorified hermaphrodite clone of Adam.
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Postby Essos » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:35 am

Heltonia wrote:
Liriena wrote:
You just said it yourself...without a woman, we men are not complete!
So what do we do with single guys if they won't marry a woman?

The Old Testament says we should kill pretty much anyone who doesn't abide by rules such as yours...so, why not single people?

I never said that. Stop twisting words.


Also, you still owe me a response to this:

Essos wrote:
Heltonia wrote:Because man is not complete without woman.



Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Now, two more questions. According to whom, and what does "with woman" mean?

Also, this argument allows for bisexuality to be perfectly acceptable, as it permits man with man and woman. Please address this point as well.


Please address it posthaste.

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:36 am

Heltonia wrote:
Liriena wrote:
You just said it yourself...without a woman, we men are not complete!
So what do we do with single guys if they won't marry a woman?

The Old Testament says we should kill pretty much anyone who doesn't abide by rules such as yours...so, why not single people?

I never said that. Stop twisting words applying logic consistently.

I fixed your post.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:36 am

Lengleland wrote:This is my honest opinion, Please don't hate me for it.

Being a strong baptist Christian, I believe The bible DOES say: "A man shall not lay with a man as he would with a woman"

That's in Leviticus 18:22.

If two people of the same sex marry, then it is almost definite that they will sleep together. I'm trying to suggest that no Christian should believe that people of the same sex marry for the bible clearly says it.

In regards to lesbianism, Just because the bible says "man" the word "man" applies to women as well.

Thank you for allowing me to speak on this interesting topic. I look forward to seeing some more of your posts.


The verse that you quoted was already covered and refuted quite comprehensively. I know that it's a tall order, but you might want to read back several pages and catch up.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:36 am

Heltonia wrote:
Liriena wrote:
You just said it yourself...without a woman, we men are not complete!
So what do we do with single guys if they won't marry a woman?

The Old Testament says we should kill pretty much anyone who doesn't abide by rules such as yours...so, why not single people?

I never said that. Stop twisting words.


Isn't it horrible when someone puts words in your mouth?

Just like you did to me before. :)
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:36 am

Heltonia wrote:
Liriena wrote:
You just said it yourself...without a woman, we men are not complete!

So what do we do with single guys if they won't marry a woman?

The Old Testament says we should kill pretty much anyone who doesn't abide by rules such as yours...so, why not single people?

I never said that. Stop twisting words.

Heltonia wrote:Because man is not complete without woman.

You are breaking a very important commandment right now. Sinner.
Or just screwing with us.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:37 am

Heltonia wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Oh, that's convincing.

HOw can none of you understand this? Do you burn peoples houses too? Its WRONG. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Dont give me that "Morality is subjected" crap either. You know this is wrong.

Burning houses causes harm to non-consenting third party hence it is wrong. How does marriage between two people harm non-consenting third party?
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:37 am

Heltonia wrote:
Essos wrote:
Wrong is still wrong for a reason. It is wrong to burn houses because it violates the non aggression principle, and destroys property that isn't yours. Why is homosexuality wrong?

Because man is not complete without woman.


Are, so priests are sinners. As are people who choose not to get married, or can't.

Are you with a woman? If you aren't you are sinning right now! And if you marry someone and they die you need to get married again as soon as possible, because you wont be complete without a woman, and that is a sin!

Care to provide the bit of the Bible that says it is a sin for a man not to have a woman, because man is not complete without a woman?

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:37 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Heltonia wrote:HOw can none of you understand this? Do you burn peoples houses too? Its WRONG. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Dont give me that "Morality is subjected" crap either. You know this is wrong.

Burning houses causes harm to non-consenting third party hence it is wrong. How does marriage between two people harm non-consenting third party?

Probably because it grosses him out. That's the usual.
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Postby Hathradic States » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:38 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Heltonia wrote:HOw can none of you understand this? Do you burn peoples houses too? Its WRONG. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Dont give me that "Morality is subjected" crap either. You know this is wrong.

Burning houses causes harm to non-consenting third party hence it is wrong. How does marriage between two people harm non-consenting third party?

Emotional harm to the rejected ex-boyfriend. *nods*

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Postby Heltonia » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:39 am

Heltonia wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
I am completed by God regardless of whether or not I have a partner.

The Church is Jesus' bride and so the only partner I need is Jesus. Anyone else is a gift from God.

Im referring to Adam and Eve and how Eve was made from Adam's rib. I'm not questioning your inherent, god-given value as a person.


Requoting since everyone seems to have missed this.

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:39 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Burning houses causes harm to non-consenting third party hence it is wrong. How does marriage between two people harm non-consenting third party?

Emotional harm to the rejected ex-boyfriend. *nods*

...Who then burns their house down, appropriately enough.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:39 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Burning houses causes harm to non-consenting third party hence it is wrong. How does marriage between two people harm non-consenting third party?

Emotional harm to the rejected ex-boyfriend. *nods*

Hence, logically we must ban all form of human relationships and human interaction...
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Postby Valentir » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:40 am

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Heltonia wrote:Thank you, someone who understands.

Yeah, Leviticus is also the same part of the Bible that forbids getting tattoos, shaving, mixed fabrics, having sex during menstruation, etc.
If you've done ANY of those things, you've committed a sin on par with homosexuality according to those laws.

do you really think a lot of people now a days in Christianity follow those rules? Well the answer is No. Thats the Hebrew Bible and Torah, which are jewish and hebrew, and only the Evangelicals follow those rules in our time.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:41 am

Valentir wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Yeah, Leviticus is also the same part of the Bible that forbids getting tattoos, shaving, mixed fabrics, having sex during menstruation, etc.
If you've done ANY of those things, you've committed a sin on par with homosexuality according to those laws.

do you really think a lot of people now a days in Christianity follow those rules? Well the answer is No. Thats the Hebrew Bible and Torah, which are jewish and hebrew, and only the Evangelicals follow those rules in our time.


Kinda thinking he's an Evangelical, though, so that's probably not convincing.

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:41 am

Valentir wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Yeah, Leviticus is also the same part of the Bible that forbids getting tattoos, shaving, mixed fabrics, having sex during menstruation, etc.
If you've done ANY of those things, you've committed a sin on par with homosexuality according to those laws.

do you really think a lot of people now a days in Christianity follow those rules? Well the answer is No. Thats the Hebrew Bible and Torah, which are jewish and hebrew, and only the Evangelicals follow those rules in our time.

I'm pretty sure Evangelicals cut their hair.
And yeah, the vast majority of Christians don't follow those laws, but when you get to the gay stuff, (which is exactly as "symbolic" as the rest of the stuff they don't care about) suddenly it's written in stone, literal law.
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