Same-Sex Marriage: Point of View

[Liriena]

but homosexuality is wrong.

Why?

[Essos]

but homosexuality is wrong.

Answer the question. Why is homosexuality wrong? If you will not answer, then we cannot get anywhere.

[Transhuman Proteus]

It's not, actually.-snip-

It is.
Like arson or murder or theft. Its bad.

Prove it. Tell us how.

If you can't then your "belief" is worthless and incorrect.

[Heltonia]

but homosexuality is wrong.

Oh, that's convincing.

HOw can none of you understand this? Do you burn peoples houses too? Its WRONG. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Dont give me that "Morality is subjected" crap either. You know this is wrong.

[Anachronous Rex]

but homosexuality is wrong.

No, you see, I understand where your confusion is coming from. The problem is: you're wrong.

Because, as it happens, there is methodology that can be employed to determine right from wrong. And of those things that make a behavior wrong, homosexuality accomplishes none in and of itself. That makes it not wrong.

Whereas you are wrong in the most literal sense, having been incorrect regarding the above.

[Essos]

Oh, that's convincing.

HOw can none of you understand this? Do you burn peoples houses too? Its WRONG. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Dont give me that "Morality is subjected" crap either. You know this is wrong.

Wrong is still wrong for a reason. It is wrong to burn houses because it violates the non aggression principle, and destroys property that isn't yours. Why is homosexuality wrong?

[Stanisburg]

Sigh.

The "civil union" thing is basically irrelevant, unless we're talking about the places where a "civil union" is falsely represented as equivalent to marriage but does not actually include all the legal rights of marriage.

I don't care what we call it. Same sex couples should be able to enter into the exact same legal contract, with absolutely identical provisions, as male/female couples. (Power of attorney, spousal privilege, inheritance, same status re: adopting children, and all relevant tax breaks.) There cannot be one single point of difference from a civil hetero marriage, so I don't see why we wouldn't just call it "marriage."

The government has no authority over religious ceremonies anyway (first amendment) so there's nothing to discuss there. Religious weddings aren't legally recognized anyway--you're only legally married once you've gone to a courthouse and been issued a marriage license, so really civil unions are the only options on the table for anyone already.

[Valentir]

I'm a very religious Roman Catholic who thinks gays should be able to get married. I have two view points on this issue. My religious view point and my political view point
Religious View: God will judge them and forgive them for their sins, God forgives all. Blah, Blah, all that stuff. And to my fellow Christians, what happened to the other parts of the bible that tell us to love and respect all of our fellow human beings? We should be welcoming homo-sexual into every church. This is why I have had thoughts about leaving the church. People take one part of the Bible and turn it into their own personal thing. They take it and corrupt it. Anyways, yeah, I believe its a sin, but everybody sins and God will forgive us, all that stuff.

Political View: Everyone has an alienable right to marry whom they choose. Its no one else's business but theirs and if it really bugs you go away from them and carry on. Let them be. We all have different views but we are all stuck on the same planet so we need to learn to except it (Not gonna happen for a long while though)
Anyways to sum it all up, I say yes for Gay marriage, and I'm a catholic, SHOCKER!!!!!

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Oh, that's convincing.

HOw can none of you understand this? Do you burn peoples houses too? Its WRONG. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Dont give me that "Morality is subjected" crap either. You know this is wrong.

That explains nothing.
I feel like you're attempts to convince us are actually pushing people even further away.
And does being gay result in property destruction, a la arson? Does gay sex cause spontaneous fires?

[Heltonia]

HOw can none of you understand this? Do you burn peoples houses too? Its WRONG. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Dont give me that "Morality is subjected" crap either. You know this is wrong.

Wrong is still wrong for a reason. It is wrong to burn houses because it violates the non aggression principle, and destroys property that isn't yours. Why is homosexuality wrong?

Because man is not complete without woman.

[The Grim Reaper]

Wrong is still wrong for a reason. It is wrong to burn houses because it violates the non aggression principle, and destroys property that isn't yours. Why is homosexuality wrong?

Because man is not complete without woman.

Yes I am.

My God is not sexist.

[Anachronous Rex]

Oh, that's convincing.

HOw can none of you understand this? Do you burn peoples houses too? Its WRONG. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Dont give me that "Morality is subjected" crap either. You know this is wrong.

Explain to me the how homosexuality is equivalent to casing massive property damage to another person, and possibly endangering them? I'd love to know.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Wrong is still wrong for a reason. It is wrong to burn houses because it violates the non aggression principle, and destroys property that isn't yours. Why is homosexuality wrong?

Because man is not complete without woman.

Then you should probably get stoning single people as well.

[Anachronous Rex]

Wrong is still wrong for a reason. It is wrong to burn houses because it violates the non aggression principle, and destroys property that isn't yours. Why is homosexuality wrong?

Because man is not complete without woman.

$50 Heltonia is not complete.

[Heltonia]

Because man is not complete without woman.

Yes I am.

My God is not sexist.

We are whole, but we are not complete without one another.

[Heltonia]

Because man is not complete without woman.

Then you should probably get stoning single people as well.

WHY?! thats horrible!

[Essos]

Wrong is still wrong for a reason. It is wrong to burn houses because it violates the non aggression principle, and destroys property that isn't yours. Why is homosexuality wrong?

Because man is not complete without woman.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Now, two more questions. According to whom, and what does "with woman" mean?

Also, this argument allows for bisexuality to be perfectly acceptable, as it permits man with man and woman. Please address this point as well.

[The Grim Reaper]

Yes I am.

My God is not sexist.

We are whole, but we are not complete without one another.

I am completed by God regardless of whether or not I have a partner.

The Church is Jesus' bride and so the only partner I need is Jesus. Anyone else is a gift from God.

[Liriena]

Oh, that's convincing.

HOw can none of you understand this? Do you burn peoples houses too? Its WRONG. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Dont give me that "Morality is subjected" crap either. You know this is wrong.

Proof by assertion?
Appeal to a baseless morality?

If you wanted to convince us that you are incapable of debating, you just proved it.

Burning people's houses hurts someone. Homosexuality never hurt anyone.

"Wrong is wrong" is an irrelevant tautology.

Morality is very subjective when it comes to issues of gender and sex.

And we know that homosexuality is not wrong, because we, NSG'ers, have actually done our homework on it. Homosexuality doesn't really break any rule of ethics, any law of nature, or threaten social harmony in any way. It's not an action contrary to empathy, and it falls right within the definition of liberty by which modern Western civilization abides.

[Essos]

HOw can none of you understand this? Do you burn peoples houses too? Its WRONG. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
Dont give me that "Morality is subjected" crap either. You know this is wrong.

That explains nothing.
I feel like you're attempts to convince us are actually pushing people even further away.
And does being gay result in property destruction, a la arson? Does gay sex cause spontaneous fires?

Only when I'm involved. *insert further innuendos of incredible hotness here*

[Heltonia]

We are whole, but we are not complete without one another.

I am completed by God regardless of whether or not I have a partner.

The Church is Jesus' bride and so the only partner I need is Jesus. Anyone else is a gift from God.

Im referring to Adam and Eve and how Eve was made from Adam's rib. I'm not questioning your inherent, god-given value as a person.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Then you should probably get stoning single people as well.

WHY?! thats horrible!

Because man is not complete without woman.

Awwww, did I hit a little close to home?
Think about what the fuck you just said. You're saying gay people should be persecuted/"cured"/stoned/whatever because of the bolded phrase. Well, you better get on single people too, by that logic.

Also, did God create us incomplete, according to you? That's kinda shoddy.

[Lengleland]

This is my honest opinion, Please don't hate me for it.

Being a strong baptist Christian, I believe The bible DOES say: "A man shall not lay with a man as he would with a woman"

That's in Leviticus 18:22.

If two people of the same sex marry, then it is almost definite that they will sleep together. I'm trying to suggest that no Christian should believe that people of the same sex marry for the bible clearly says it.

In regards to lesbianism, Just because the bible says "man" the word "man" applies to women as well.

Thank you for allowing me to speak on this interesting topic. I look forward to seeing some more of your posts.

[The republic of James (Ancient)]

as long as you don't make it a big deal i will not care if two guys do this same for woman love is free so god has no say in this at all

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That explains nothing.
I feel like you're attempts to convince us are actually pushing people even further away.
And does being gay result in property destruction, a la arson? Does gay sex cause spontaneous fires?

Only when I'm involved. *insert further innuendos of incredible hotness here*

I took it as an innuendo of flaming, but that also works.