Same-Sex Marriage: Point of View

[Heltonia]

Let me put it this way. Just because something isnt blue, it doesnt necessarily mean it can only be red.

Yes, that's what a false dichotomy is. I get it.

That's not what happened here. Essentially, it was said that something is blue, because something else says that it is blue. It is pointed out that said something else does not really say that it is blue, or blue in all circumstances, and so there is no reason to think that it is blue.

Or to put it more simply, "nu-uh."

Then why is homosexuality a sin?

[Liriena]

No, you are the one wanting to give the Bible some relevance in the argument. In many ways the Bible is nothing but a big old fiction. Or a pile of bullshit, depending on how you feel. It is irrelevant. Homosexuality is not wrong because there is nothing wrong with it.

See, murder, rape, theft, fraud, disease, mental illness, pedophilia, bestiality - we can come up with excellent arguments about why they are bad or negative things that need to be avoided or stopped. Not so for homosexuality. In short - the Bible is irrelevant to the argument.

my beliefs are no less valuable than yours because you dont believe in the same god. This is discrimination.

No, it's not discrimination. It's criticism. More accurately, it's criticism of your increasingly desperate mental gymnastics.
And we just proved that your beliefs were based on false grounds. Leviticus does not apply when it comes to homosexuality, yet you quoted it.
You claimed something was blue, and we proved it wasn't blue. We never called it red.

[Heltonia]

my beliefs are no less valuable than yours because you dont believe in the same god. This is discrimination.

No, it's not discrimination. It's criticism. More accurately, it's criticism of your increasingly desperate mental gymnastics.
And we just proved that your beliefs were based on false grounds. Leviticus does not apply when it comes to homosexuality, yet you quoted it.
You claimed something was blue, and we proved it wasn't blue. We never called it red.

Go to bed.

[Fnordgasm 5]

Excuse Essos. The poor fellow clearly doesn't know his Leviticus from his Deuteronomy.

Shut up, I'm tired, and also doing this while I'm at work. DON'T JUDGE ME! Also, yeah... Shut up... <_<

Interestingly, Deuteronomy prohibits wives from kicking men who are attacking their husbands in the bollocks. Ain't that something?

you all seem to be insinuating that homosexuality is "right" because these verses are "wrong".
Correlation does not equate causation.

I actually wasn't trying to prove homosexuality right or wrong. I was only trying to prove you wrong and considering your refusal to hold the rest of the bible up to the same infallible standards as you do that one specific passage I think I made quite a good go at it. And then lot's of people joined in because, let's face it, who doesn't enjoy the ego boost when you put down very weak arguments. You know this could all been avoided if only you were a little more fundamental.

[Liriena]

Yes, that's what a false dichotomy is. I get it.

That's not what happened here. Essentially, it was said that something is blue, because something else says that it is blue. It is pointed out that said something else does not really say that it is blue, or blue in all circumstances, and so there is no reason to think that it is blue.

Or to put it more simply, "nu-uh."

Then why is homosexuality a sin?

It's not, actually. From a literal point of view, homosexuality as we know it today is a biblical non-issue, like airplanes, glasses or blood transfusions.

[Kvatchdom]

Yes, that's what a false dichotomy is. I get it.

That's not what happened here. Essentially, it was said that something is blue, because something else says that it is blue. It is pointed out that said something else does not really say that it is blue, or blue in all circumstances, and so there is no reason to think that it is blue.

Or to put it more simply, "nu-uh."

Then why is homosexuality a sin?

The bible never directly says that homosexuality is a sin, but simply says that male-on-male prostitution is an abomination.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

my beliefs are no less valuable than yours because you dont believe in the same god. This is discrimination.

No, it's not discrimination. It's criticism. More accurately, it's criticism of your increasingly desperate mental gymnastics.

Gymnastics? Really, it's more of a contortionist thing, I'd say. Gymnastics requires elegance. Contortionism requires the ability to tie oneself up in knots.

[Liriena]

No, it's not discrimination. It's criticism. More accurately, it's criticism of your increasingly desperate mental gymnastics.
And we just proved that your beliefs were based on false grounds. Leviticus does not apply when it comes to homosexuality, yet you quoted it.
You claimed something was blue, and we proved it wasn't blue. We never called it red.

Go to bed.

Nice try, kiddo.
But you just got refuted, and your irrelevant little comments won't change that.
You tell me to go to bed?
I tell you to actually start taking this debate seriously, and answer to people's arguments with relevant arguments, instead of insane misinterpretations.

[Anachronous Rex]

No, you are the one wanting to give the Bible some relevance in the argument. In many ways the Bible is nothing but a big old fiction. Or a pile of bullshit, depending on how you feel. It is irrelevant. Homosexuality is not wrong because there is nothing wrong with it.

See, murder, rape, theft, fraud, disease, mental illness, pedophilia, bestiality - we can come up with excellent arguments about why they are bad or negative things that need to be avoided or stopped. Not so for homosexuality. In short - the Bible is irrelevant to the argument.

my beliefs are no less valuable than yours because you dont believe in the same god. This is discrimination.

You are making it very difficult to not use the smilies.

[Heltonia]

Then why is homosexuality a sin?

It's not, actually.-snip-

It is.
Like arson or murder or theft. Its bad.

[Transhuman Proteus]

No, you are the one wanting to give the Bible some relevance in the argument. In many ways the Bible is nothing but a big old fiction. Or a pile of bullshit, depending on how you feel. It is irrelevant. Homosexuality is not wrong because there is nothing wrong with it.

See, murder, rape, theft, fraud, disease, mental illness, pedophilia, bestiality - we can come up with excellent arguments about why they are bad or negative things that need to be avoided or stopped. Not so for homosexuality. In short - the Bible is irrelevant to the argument.

my beliefs are no less valuable than yours because you dont believe in the same god. This is discrimination.

If you want your beliefs to have some legal weight you need to present a good argument for why they should have that legal weight beyond "they're my beliefs".

You want to discriminate against homosexuals based on what has been shown to be a fairly poor understanding of the Bible? Sorry, your beliefs and the Bible aren't an argument. Ergo - homosexuality isn't wrong because you can't mount a sound argument for why it is.

Oh, and you should probably look up the definition of discrimination.

Yes, that's what a false dichotomy is. I get it.

That's not what happened here. Essentially, it was said that something is blue, because something else says that it is blue. It is pointed out that said something else does not really say that it is blue, or blue in all circumstances, and so there is no reason to think that it is blue.

Or to put it more simply, "nu-uh."

Then why is homosexuality a sin?

It isn't, unless you believe in your warped view of the Bible. And even if you believe that - the state needs more to be against something than your beliefs.

[Essos]

No, you are the one wanting to give the Bible some relevance in the argument. In many ways the Bible is nothing but a big old fiction. Or a pile of bullshit, depending on how you feel. It is irrelevant. Homosexuality is not wrong because there is nothing wrong with it.

See, murder, rape, theft, fraud, disease, mental illness, pedophilia, bestiality - we can come up with excellent arguments about why they are bad or negative things that need to be avoided or stopped. Not so for homosexuality. In short - the Bible is irrelevant to the argument.

my beliefs are no less valuable than yours because you dont believe in the same god. This is discrimination.

See, here's the problem, you're confusing "Your beliefs vs our beliefs"(how you imagine things to be), with "Your beliefs vs reality"(how things are in fact).

YOur beliefs do not have any bearing on the matter at hand, as they do not have any factual basis in reality. Our statements do. We are not giving opinions, we are stating facts, you are giving opinions. In a contest of opinion vs fact, opinion is the distant second place. You are wrong in all particulars of your argument, thoughts, ideas, and quotations. You are not correct. You are not merely mistaken, but willfully ignorant of the actual state of reality. You are, and shall remain, wrong.

[Anachronous Rex]

Yes, that's what a false dichotomy is. I get it.

That's not what happened here. Essentially, it was said that something is blue, because something else says that it is blue. It is pointed out that said something else does not really say that it is blue, or blue in all circumstances, and so there is no reason to think that it is blue.

Or to put it more simply, "nu-uh."

Then why is homosexuality a sin?

It's not. You only imagine it to be.

[The Sheika]

Anybody who denies the rights and freedoms they have to others does not make them pious nor does it make them any better. We are all human beings, and we should all be entitled to the same rights and freedoms no matter the ethnicity, gender, background, and so on. I cannot speak for everyone, but I would rather be wrong for being tolerant than being "right" for bigotry.

[Heltonia]

See I think this is where all your misunderstandings stem from.
Homosexuality is a sin. Not a "lifestyle".

[Anachronous Rex]

It's not, actually.-snip-

It is.
Like arson or murder or theft. Its bad.

Things are bad because they are bad...

Bravo. Now that this issue is solved for all time, let us move on: Circular logic? Stupid, or very stupid?

[Essos]

It's not, actually.-snip-

It is.
Like arson or murder or theft. Its bad.

Why is it bad? Let's start small and see if we can't pick this apart.

[Liriena]

It's not, actually.-snip-

It is.
Like arson or murder or theft. Its bad.

No. It's not.
We just proved to you that it was not a sin under the Bible.
You claming so is not only lying, it's also blasphemy.

[Anachronous Rex]

See I think this is where all your misunderstandings stem from.
Homosexuality is a sin. Not a "lifestyle".

It's neither, actually.

That would be a false dichotomy you're spouting there.

See, that's what it's like to use that correctly.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

See I think this is where all your misunderstandings stem from.
Homosexuality is a sin. Not a "lifestyle".

Nope, try again, because even assuming that wasn't a false dichotomy and utterly BS anyway, I don't subscribe to misinterpreted Christian theology.
I subscribe to the tenets of basic humanity.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

See I think this is where all your misunderstandings stem from.
Homosexuality is a sin. Not a "lifestyle".

Actually, it's neither. It's most likely an inborn orientation. There is no specific gay "lifestyle".

I didn't especially want to engage with you, but the terminology you used is a pet peeve.

[Heltonia]

but homosexuality is wrong.

[Liriena]

See I think this is where all your misunderstandings stem from.
Homosexuality is a sin. Not a "lifestyle".

It's not a sin. We've been through this for a while now.
Homosexuality is a biblical non-issue. Your misconceptions and wishiful thinking can't change that.
And, please, you are not convincing anyone with your redundant statements and strawmen. Take them elsewhere.

[Essos]

It is.
Like arson or murder or theft. Its bad.

No. It's not.
We just proved to you that it was not a sin under the Bible.
You claming so is not only lying, it's also blasphemy.

Surely not blasphemy, but rather heresy. Heresy is holding false beliefs, isn't it?

[The Tiger Kingdom]

but homosexuality is wrong.

Oh, that's convincing.