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Postby Osterr » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:49 pm

I think, to quote an image, which I quoted in another thread, this sums up my personal beliefs:

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Postby The Perpetual Light » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:31 pm

While I certainly don't condone homophobia or hatred towards people for their sexual orientation, I also have the right to object to a person's actions, and I sincerely believe that marriage as an institution must be kept between 1 man and 1 woman.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:32 pm

The Perpetual Light wrote:While I certainly don't condone homophobia or hatred towards people for their sexual orientation, I also have the right to object to a person's actions, and I sincerely believe that marriage as an institution must be kept between 1 man and 1 woman.


See that's funny because you're virulently homophobic.

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Postby Menassa » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:33 pm

The Perpetual Light wrote:While I certainly don't condone homophobia or hatred towards people for their sexual orientation, I also have the right to object to a person's actions, and I sincerely believe that marriage as an institution must be kept between 1 man and 1 woman.

Why?
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Postby The Perpetual Light » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:35 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
The Perpetual Light wrote:While I certainly don't condone homophobia or hatred towards people for their sexual orientation, I also have the right to object to a person's actions, and I sincerely believe that marriage as an institution must be kept between 1 man and 1 woman.


See that's funny because you're virulently homophobic.

Sorry, did I advocate violence towards homosexuals or demand that they forcibly be sent to "straight camps" or anything like that? No, I didn't. There are in fact people opposed to same-sex marriage who are not homophobic. In fact, I'd argue that most aren't.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:37 pm

The Perpetual Light wrote:While I certainly don't condone homophobia or hatred towards people for their sexual orientation, I also have the right to object to a person's actions, and I sincerely believe that marriage as an institution must be kept between 1 man and 1 woman.


Why?
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:37 pm

And there are people opposed to interracial marriage who aren't racist.

Now, you can be against the institution of marriage and not be a homophobe, but you evidently are not.

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Postby Urmanian » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:38 pm

The Perpetual Light wrote:There are in fact people opposed to same-sex marriage who are not homophobic. In fact, I'd argue that most aren't.

no, opposition to gays not having equal rights is clear-cut homophobia and is abominable no matter how do you spin it.

if you don't like to be called prejudiced, tough. don't be prejudiced.
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Postby Normandywe » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:38 pm

I am of the opinion that marriage ought to be abandoned altogether--no one should marry, and we must handle 'love' in an entirely different manner.

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Postby The Perpetual Light » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:39 pm

Menassa wrote:
The Perpetual Light wrote:While I certainly don't condone homophobia or hatred towards people for their sexual orientation, I also have the right to object to a person's actions, and I sincerely believe that marriage as an institution must be kept between 1 man and 1 woman.

Why?

Frankly, homosexuality is unnatural and marriage is such an important institution in the world that I think we need to do everything to ensure that stable heterosexual marriages are the foundation of the family (before you ask, I am also deeply opposed to divorce and open relationships).

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:39 pm

Normandywe wrote:I am of the opinion that marriage ought to be abandoned altogether--no one should marry, and we must handle 'love' in an entirely different manner.


And the numerous legal incentives should be what, done away with?

What a terrible idea.

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Postby Menassa » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:39 pm

The Perpetual Light wrote:
Menassa wrote:Why?

Frankly, homosexuality is unnatural and marriage is such an important institution in the world that I think we need to do everything to ensure that stable heterosexual marriages are the foundation of the family (before you ask, I am also deeply opposed to divorce and open relationships).

Who says it is unnatural?
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:39 pm

The Perpetual Light wrote:
Menassa wrote:Why?

Frankly, homosexuality is unnatural and marriage is such an important institution in the world that I think we need to do everything to ensure that stable heterosexual marriages are the foundation of the family (before you ask, I am also deeply opposed to divorce and open relationships).

Which is homophobic.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:41 pm

The Perpetual Light wrote:
Menassa wrote:Why?

Frankly, homosexuality is unnatural and marriage is such an important institution in the world that I think we need to do everything to ensure that stable heterosexual marriages are the foundation of the family (before you ask, I am also deeply opposed to divorce and open relationships).


1) Homosexuality is actually natural. It happens in nature...and it's rather widespread.
2) Marriage is, by definition, unnatural.
3) And how does same-sex marriage hinder the stability of heterosexual marriage?
4) I guess all the children of same-sex couples just...don't exist and don't deserve rights, do they?
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Postby Normandywe » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:41 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Normandywe wrote:I am of the opinion that marriage ought to be abandoned altogether--no one should marry, and we must handle 'love' in an entirely different manner.


And the numerous legal incentives should be what, done away with?

What a terrible idea.


You lack perception: Marriage is a tradition that we can do quite fine without, and, if anything, the 'law' must be separated from it entirely.

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Postby Menassa » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:42 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Perpetual Light wrote:Frankly, homosexuality is unnatural and marriage is such an important institution in the world that I think we need to do everything to ensure that stable heterosexual marriages are the foundation of the family (before you ask, I am also deeply opposed to divorce and open relationships).


1) Homosexuality is actually natural. It happens in nature...and it's rather widespread.
2) Marriage is, by definition, unnatural.
3) And how does same-sex marriage hinder the stability of heterosexual marriage?
4) I guess all the children of same-sex couples just...don't exist and don't deserve rights, do they?

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Postby Queensland Aurora » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:43 pm

Same sex marriage is illeagal in my country

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Postby Urmanian » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:44 pm

Queensland Aurora wrote:Same sex marriage is illeagal in my country

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:45 pm

Normandywe wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
And the numerous legal incentives should be what, done away with?

What a terrible idea.


You lack perception: Marriage is a tradition that we can do quite fine without, and, if anything, the 'law' must be separated from it entirely.


Why and how?

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Postby Normandywe » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:46 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Normandywe wrote:
You lack perception: Marriage is a tradition that we can do quite fine without, and, if anything, the 'law' must be separated from it entirely.


Why and how?


It is you who is burdened with evidencing your side; I am at no liberty to do so, as I am on the side of 'nothing', as described by the general idea of a 'burden of proof'.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:46 pm

Normandywe wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
And the numerous legal incentives should be what, done away with?

What a terrible idea.


You lack perception: Marriage is a tradition that we can do quite fine without, and, if anything, the 'law' must be separated from it entirely.


Marriage has financial benifits for the participants.
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Postby Normandywe » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:49 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Normandywe wrote:
You lack perception: Marriage is a tradition that we can do quite fine without, and, if anything, the 'law' must be separated from it entirely.


Marriage has financial benifits for the participants.


Concubines can operate fine nonetheless, as conditions can be prepared to permit as much.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:52 pm

Normandywe wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Marriage has financial benifits for the participants.


Concubines can operate fine nonetheless, as conditions can be prepared to permit as much.


Uh no, whores shouldn't get benefits.
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Postby Normandywe » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:55 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Normandywe wrote:
Concubines can operate fine nonetheless, as conditions can be prepared to permit as much.


Uh no, whores shouldn't get benefits.


Not once have I referenced 'whores', and for this reason alone I cannot consider you a serious person.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:56 pm

Normandywe wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Uh no, whores shouldn't get benefits.


Not once have I referenced 'whores', and for this reason alone I cannot consider you a serious person.


I think he considers concubines to be whores. Nothing can be furthest from the truth but hey, what can you do?
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