Same-Sex Marriage: Point of View

[Atnae]

Restrain people from doing certain acts=forced to do other acts. Way to say the same thing with different words. Should gays not be permitted to have sex or marry, because it offends your idea of religion?

I do not believe that homosexuals should be restrained from "marrying." Homosexuals are not being compelled to do or not to do anything. On the other hand, they wish to compel society to do something for them: to recognize their relationships.

Marriage is the recognition of a civil partnership by the government(read: the governing body of the society). How can you be for and against the same thing in a single paragraph?

[Christian Democrats]

Your laptop isn't natural. Get off it.

What is wrong with you , I am just giving my opinion in this matter.

Well, you did make an appeal to nature.

[Flagsia]

What is wrong with you , I am just giving my opinion in this matter.

He was using a straw man argument against you. While in disagreement with his argument, I cannot express how much I disagree with your statement.

Why?

[Flagsia]

What is wrong with you , I am just giving my opinion in this matter.

Well, you did make an appeal to nature.

Yes I did

[Anachronous Rex]

Restrain people from doing certain acts=forced to do other acts. Way to say the same thing with different words. Should gays not be permitted to have sex or marry, because it offends your idea of religion?

I do not believe that homosexuals should be restrained from "marrying." Homosexuals are not being compelled to do or not to do anything. On the other hand, they wish to compel society to do something for them: to recognize their relationships.

What they want society to do, is apply its own definition of marriage - as I outlined earlier, and which apparently you didn't object to, as you made no attempt to refute - constantly.

Which is to say: fairness.

[Anachronous Rex]

Well, you did make an appeal to nature.

Yes I did

Exhibit A:

[Individuality-ness]

Homosexual is not natural .

Nature will like to disagree with you.

[Zweite Alaje]

He was using a straw man argument against you. While in disagreement with his argument, I cannot express how much I disagree with your statement.

Why?

Explain how homosexuality isn't natural.

[Atnae]

He was using a straw man argument against you. While in disagreement with his argument, I cannot express how much I disagree with your statement.

Why?

Because the line between natural and unnatural is blurred to the point of being non-existant. Anyway Your statement implies that either technology or current society is what causes homosexuality. This is most likely not the case as many consider Alexander the great to be gay and wikipedia even has an entire page on homosexuality in ancient greece.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

[Christian Democrats]

I do not believe that homosexuals should be restrained from "marrying." Homosexuals are not being compelled to do or not to do anything. On the other hand, they wish to compel society to do something for them: to recognize their relationships.

It's like how interracial couples wish to compel society to recognize their relationships as equally valid!

Not really. Heterosexual interracial couples are capable of doing all the same things as heterosexual partners of the same race.

I do not believe that homosexuals should be restrained from "marrying." Homosexuals are not being compelled to do or not to do anything. On the other hand, they wish to compel society to do something for them: to recognize their relationships.

Marriage is the recognition of a civil partnership by the government(read: the governing body of the society). How can you be for and against the same thing in a single paragraph?

Not all marriages are governmental, and marriage could exist without a government.

[Individuality-ness]

It's like how interracial couples wish to compel society to recognize their relationships as equally valid!

Not really. Heterosexual interracial couples are capable of doing all the same things as heterosexual partners of the same race.

And homosexual partners can love each other and do all the same things as hetrosexual partners, minus the "have kids who share the same DNA with me and my partner", and anyways, that doesn't make their children less of a child. Point still stands.

[Christian Democrats]

I do not believe that homosexuals should be restrained from "marrying." Homosexuals are not being compelled to do or not to do anything. On the other hand, they wish to compel society to do something for them: to recognize their relationships.

What they want society to do, is apply its own definition of marriage - as I outlined earlier, and which apparently you didn't object to, as you made no attempt to refute - constantly.

I did say that, if we accept your love definition, heterosexual and homosexual couples cannot express their feelings in the same ways.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Homosexual is not natural .

Sure it is.

[Christian Democrats]

Not really. Heterosexual interracial couples are capable of doing all the same things as heterosexual partners of the same race.

And homosexual partners can love each other and do all the same things as hetrosexual partners, minus the "have kids who share the same DNA with me and my partner", and anyways, that doesn't make their children less of a child. Point still stands.

We don't even have to go as far as children. Homosexual couples cannot copulate.

[Individuality-ness]

And homosexual partners can love each other and do all the same things as hetrosexual partners, minus the "have kids who share the same DNA with me and my partner", and anyways, that doesn't make their children less of a child. Point still stands.

We don't even have to go as far as children. Homosexual couples cannot copulate.

[citation needed]

[Anachronous Rex]

What they want society to do, is apply its own definition of marriage - as I outlined earlier, and which apparently you didn't object to, as you made no attempt to refute - constantly.

I did say that, if we accept your love definition, heterosexual and homosexual couples cannot express their feelings in the same ways.

And you have yet to provide a single example as to how.

Least I can figure you're just falling back on, "can't have sex in exactly the same way." A statement which applies to far more then just homosexuals.

[Anachronous Rex]

And homosexual partners can love each other and do all the same things as hetrosexual partners, minus the "have kids who share the same DNA with me and my partner", and anyways, that doesn't make their children less of a child. Point still stands.

We don't even have to go as far as children. Homosexual couples cannot copulate.

You lack imagination.

[Flagsia]

Why?

Explain how homosexuality isn't natural.

If homosexuality is natural we all would be doing it , not just a few . And we would all be extinct now . And all the above posted about animals , are you an animal . Do you act like animal . If you want to copy animals than don't copy just one of their characteristic ,copy all of them , like some animals eating their young why don't you say it is natural and do it too.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

And homosexual partners can love each other and do all the same things as hetrosexual partners, minus the "have kids who share the same DNA with me and my partner", and anyways, that doesn't make their children less of a child. Point still stands.

We don't even have to go as far as children. Homosexual couples cannot copulate.

So would you support a law stating that if a couple cannot copulate, then they cannot get married?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Explain how homosexuality isn't natural.

If homosexuality is natural we all would be doing it , not just a few . And we would all be extinct now . And all the above posted about animals , are you an animal . Do you act like animal . If you want to copy animals than don't copy just one of their characteristic ,copy all of them , like some animals eating their young why don't you say it is natural and do it too.

By that standard, neither red hair nor left-handedness is natural, as these traits are actually less common than homosexuality.

And you were the one who brought up the idea that homosexuality "isn't natural". We simply showed that it was. If you want to speak to the moral issues, feel free, but please note that this issue has already been covered exhaustively in this thread.

[Anachronous Rex]

Explain how homosexuality isn't natural.

If homosexuality is natural we all would be doing it , not just a few . And we would all be extinct now . And all the above posted about animals , are you an animal . Do you act like animal . If you want to copy animals than don't copy just one of their characteristic ,copy all of them , like some animals eating their young why don't you say it is natural and do it too.

By that definition heterosexuality isn't natural either.

If it was natural we would all be doing it, and there are homosexuals, so we're not.

[Christian Democrats]

We don't even have to go as far as children. Homosexual couples cannot copulate.

[citation needed]

They cannot engage in coitus.

[Anachronous Rex]

We don't even have to go as far as children. Homosexual couples cannot copulate.

So would you support a law stating that if a couple cannot copulate, then they cannot get married?

Those poor, poor quadriplegics.

[Grave_n_idle]

Homosexual is not natural .

First - yes it is - it exist in nature, thus - it is natural. By definition.

Second - even if we accept your erroneous statement... so? We do lots of things that are not natural - not least being that we create synthetic medicines to treat natural disease.

Should we eschew all things that are not natural?

[Christian Democrats]

We don't even have to go as far as children. Homosexual couples cannot copulate.

So would you support a law stating that if a couple cannot copulate, then they cannot get married?

Yes, I would.

In fact, most jurisdictions will annul marriages on request if the couple is never capable of copulating while married.