Same-Sex Marriage: Point of View

[The Steel Magnolia]

That's not anyone elses problem but yours. Do not make your problems our problems.

People becoming addicts and having crack babies is everyone's problem.

Yes, it is. And therefore, to combat this, we should legalize prostitution.

[Threlizdun]

People becoming addicts and having crack babies is everyone's problem.

Indeed it is, but this is not something that is created as a result prostitution, but rather is what causes people to turn to it in the first place. It is a dehumanizing and terrible experience for most. Those involved in it should be helped out if there hardships in any way possible. Ostracizing them, imprisoning them, and causing them to fear seeking help out of legal consequences is not something that can possibly help them.

[Hathradic States]

Just putting that out there, as it popped into my head. As I said before, I am pro-SSM.

Anything to make the rainbows go away. Anything.

I understand, Hathy, Your Awesomeness.

You know what, I'm just gonna put something else on that line for other

[Grenartia]

I understand, Hathy, Your Awesomeness.

You know what, I'm just gonna put something else on that line for other

[Threlizdun]

Actors, musicians, and artists contribute to our culture, whores don't.

Art is beautiful, and certainly can inspire entire societies. However, it is perhaps one of the most subjective matters that exists, and apply objective value to it is next to impossible. Sex has also had an undeniable influence on human society. However, it is difficult to give the act itself objective value.

[Hathradic States]

You know what, I'm just gonna put something else on that line for other

Done.

[Zweite Alaje]

People becoming addicts and having crack babies is everyone's problem.

Indeed it is, but this is not something that is created as a result prostitution, but rather is what causes people to turn to it in the first place. It is a dehumanizing and terrible experience for most. Those involved in it should be helped out if there hardships in any way possible. Ostracizing them, imprisoning them, and causing them to fear seeking help out of legal consequences is not something that can possibly help them.

I never said we shouldn't help them, I am saying they are dirty and participating in a dishonorable practice.

People becoming addicts and having crack babies is everyone's problem.

Yes, it is. And therefore, to combat this, we should legalize prostitution.

Goodness no, that's a terrible idea! We don't need any more prostitutes, that's all that will produce!!!

[Essos]

Indeed it is, but this is not something that is created as a result prostitution, but rather is what causes people to turn to it in the first place. It is a dehumanizing and terrible experience for most. Those involved in it should be helped out if there hardships in any way possible. Ostracizing them, imprisoning them, and causing them to fear seeking help out of legal consequences is not something that can possibly help them.

I never said we shouldn't help them, I am saying they are dirty and participating in a dishonorable practice.

Yes, it is. And therefore, to combat this, we should legalize prostitution.

Goodness no, that's a terrible idea! We don't need any more prostitutes, that's all that will produce!!!

Why is this the case? Actually respond, stop arguing by assertion, and source your ignorant claims or shut your flap.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Goodness no, that's a terrible idea! We don't need any more prostitutes, that's all that will produce!!!

Why not, Alaje? I mean, prostitution is a rendering of a service, like any other, when you come to think of it. Why not make it legal? People seek it anyway.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I need to find a source for this so gimme time, but IIRC legalizing, or rather decriminalizing prostitution significantly reduces rates of sexual abuse, sexual assault, and drug addiction.

[Grenartia]

Done.

ALL HAIL EL HATHISMO!

[Hathradic States]

I need to find a source for this so gimme time, but IIRC legalizing, or rather decriminalizing prostitution significantly reduces rates of sexual abuse, sexual assault, and drug addiction.

And, if the government regulates it, more money.

[Hathradic States]

Done.

ALL HAIL EL HATHISMO!

[Christian Democrats]

I oppose same-sex marriage because men and women complement each other, and the law ought to reflect that. I oppose polygamy because an individual ought to devote his or her full attention to a single spouse and because our population is half male and half female. In short, marriage is a union between one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others.

Why? And source your reasoning.

Why? And source your reasoning.

You are incorrect on this point. Mena and women are not 1:1 ratio. Please try again.

For what do you want me to provide a source?

At birth, there are slightly more males. Among seniors, there are more females. During the ages at which people usually marry, the male-female ratio is roughly 1 to 1. At the 2010 Census, the United States was 51.6 percent male for ages 20 to 29.

Why oppose them getting hospital visitation rights for the people they love?

Let's reform laws regarding hospital visitation instead of marriage laws.

Morality is of course relative however.

Some people think rape is wrong; some people think it is acceptable. . . .

I oppose same-sex marriage because 1. men and women complement each other, and the 2. law ought to reflect that. I oppose polygamy because an individual ought to devote his or her full attention to a single spouse and because our population is half male and half female. In short, marriage is a union between one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others.

1. Source? From a scientific, peer-reviewed, unbiased source.

2. No, it shouldn't. Because its inherently unconstitutional, and inherently against American values found in the Declaration of Independence (you know, the whole "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" bit).

1. Have you ever taken a class in anatomy?

2. Since when is it unconstitutional for the laws of society to reflect scientific truths?

[Threlizdun]

I never said we shouldn't help them, I am saying they are dirty and participating in a dishonorable practice.

The fact that you are referring to their practice as "dirty and dishonorable" is part of the problem, and why most of them cannot seek help.

Yes, it is. And therefore, to combat this, we should legalize prostitution.

Goodness no, that's a terrible idea! We don't need any more prostitutes, that's all that will produce!!!

You just said you wanted to help them. Did you completely ignore my line about how imprisoning these people who are truly victims in this case and making them fear seeking assistance cannot possibly do anything to help them? Prostitutes need to be treated as human beings that have in the vast majority of cases been forced into an occupation that is dehumanizing, dangerous, and self-destructive, not as criminals. They need support from society and helpful organizations, legal protection from pimps and clients, and regulations to ensure there relative health and safety.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Actors, musicians, and artists contribute to our culture, whores don't.

Art is beautiful, and certainly can inspire entire societies. However, it is perhaps one of the most subjective matters that exists, and apply objective value to it is next to impossible. Sex has also had an undeniable influence on human society. However, it is difficult to give the act itself objective value.

Certainly seems to have been more than one or two actors, musicians and artists who've been inspired by, or enjoyed the services of, prostitutes as well.

Yes, it is. And therefore, to combat this, we should legalize prostitution.

Goodness no, that's a terrible idea! We don't need any more prostitutes, that's all that will produce!!!

Why do you think it would automitically produce more? There are a few countries in the world where it has been legalised, or decriminlised, and it hasn't exactly led to a massive upswing in prostitutes there.

It's a business like anything else, so for there to be more prostitutes there'd need to be more demand. And that would lead to more prostitutes whether it was legal or not, the difference being the prostitutes lack protection or assistance when illegal, hence all that bad stuff.

[Zweite Alaje]

I never said we shouldn't help them, I am saying they are dirty and participating in a dishonorable practice.


Goodness no, that's a terrible idea! We don't need any more prostitutes, that's all that will produce!!!

Why is this the case? Actually respond, stop arguing by assertion, and source your ignorant claims or shut your flap.

I am responding!!! How dare you tell me to shut me flap!!! You don't tell me shit!!!

Goodness no, that's a terrible idea! We don't need any more prostitutes, that's all that will produce!!!

Why not, Alaje? I mean, prostitution is a rendering of a service, like any other, when you come to think of it. Why not make it legal? People seek it anyway.

I'm sure people want hitmen too, just because we want something doesn't mean we should have it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm sure people want hitmen too, just because we want something doesn't mean we should have it.

Sure, but the rendering of a service like sex is not like wanting a hitman to kill someone.

Besides, with regulation and legalization, you also give these people protection from abusers like pimps or from human trafficking.

[Essos]

Why? And source your reasoning.

Why? And source your reasoning.

You are incorrect on this point. Mena and women are not 1:1 ratio. Please try again.

For what do you want me to provide a source?

At birth, there are slightly more males. Among seniors, there are more females. During the ages at which people usually marry, the male-female ratio is roughly 1 to 1. At the 2010 Census, the United States was 51.6 percent male for ages 20 to 29.

Why oppose them getting hospital visitation rights for the people they love?

Let's reform laws regarding hospital visitation instead of marriage laws.

Morality is of course relative however.

Some people think rape is wrong; some people think it is acceptable. . . .

1. Source? From a scientific, peer-reviewed, unbiased source.

2. No, it shouldn't. Because its inherently unconstitutional, and inherently against American values found in the Declaration of Independence (you know, the whole "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" bit).

1. Have you ever taken a class in anatomy?

2. Since when is it unconstitutional for the laws of society to reflect scientific truths?

Your first two propositions. That it is a necessary condition that men and women complement each other, and that polygamy is problematic for any reason.

It is not a necessary condition of the state of being a man or a woman that you are complemented by the opposite gender.

It is not a necessary condition of human relationships that all attention should be devoted to a single partner.

Of that 51.6 percent, how many are gay, and have no interest in women, or are asexual, and have no interest in anyone? Among other disqualifying factors.

[Zweite Alaje]

I'm sure people want hitmen too, just because we want something doesn't mean we should have it.

Sure, but the rendering of a service like sex is not like wanting a hitman to kill someone.

Besides, with regulation and legalization, you also give these people protection from abusers like pimps or from human trafficking.

I agree with the not punishing prostitutes part, like Threlizdun has said a lot of them are victims. I don't think legalizing it is the answer though.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Why not, Alaje? I mean, prostitution is a rendering of a service, like any other, when you come to think of it. Why not make it legal? People seek it anyway.

I'm sure people want hitmen too, just because we want something doesn't mean we should have it.

Hitmen kill people. Ergo there is a good reason it shouldn't be allowed even if some people want to have people killed.

Prostitutes have sex with people. Yeah, there is kind of a big gulf between the two. As in one has lot of reasons justifying not just banning it, but activily ensuring no one goes down the path, while the other really doesn't.

[Essos]

Why is this the case? Actually respond, stop arguing by assertion, and source your ignorant claims or shut your flap.

I am responding!!! How dare you tell me to shut me flap!!! You don't tell me shit!!!

Why not, Alaje? I mean, prostitution is a rendering of a service, like any other, when you come to think of it. Why not make it legal? People seek it anyway.

I'm sure people want hitmen too, just because we want something doesn't mean we should have it.

Appraently I just did.

You have not shown a single cause for any of your statements, merely unsourced assertions that these things are true. Your argument boils down to "It's yucky because I say so and you are gross and evil people who disagree." Show a source, or stop arguing.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Sure, but the rendering of a service like sex is not like wanting a hitman to kill someone.

Besides, with regulation and legalization, you also give these people protection from abusers like pimps or from human trafficking.

I agree with the not punishing prostitutes part, like Threlizdun has said a lot of them are victims. I don't think legalizing it is the answer though.

But don't you think that with legalization these sex industry workers could get medical insurance, for example? They can also perhaps form unions to protect themselves from work related problems.

And I'm ending my part on this mini-highjack before a mod applies the newspaper to me.

[Grenartia]

Why? And source your reasoning.

Why? And source your reasoning.

You are incorrect on this point. Mena and women are not 1:1 ratio. Please try again.

For what do you want me to provide a source?

At birth, there are slightly more males. Among seniors, there are more females. During the ages at which people usually marry, the male-female ratio is roughly 1 to 1. At the 2010 Census, the United States was 51.6 percent male for ages 20 to 29.

Why oppose them getting hospital visitation rights for the people they love?

Let's reform laws regarding hospital visitation instead of marriage laws.

Morality is of course relative however.

Some people think rape is wrong; some people think it is acceptable. . . .

1. Source? From a scientific, peer-reviewed, unbiased source.

2. No, it shouldn't. Because its inherently unconstitutional, and inherently against American values found in the Declaration of Independence (you know, the whole "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" bit).

1. Have you ever taken a class in anatomy?

2. Since when is it unconstitutional for the laws of society to reflect scientific truths?

1. That has nothing to do with this. Also, you seem to be indirectly trying to claim that the love a man has for another man is not as valid as the love a man has for a woman. Which means you're claiming men are incapable of loving men in the same way as women. Which is inherently sexist.

2. Prove to me that the inherently sexist concept of complimentarianism is valid, has a basis in science (again, peer-reviewed, unbiased, scientific sources), and that marriage has anything to do with reproduction (which is what you seem to be getting at), and I might be inclined to grant that point to you. Until then, there's less than a snowball's chance on Venus.

[Transhuman Proteus]

1. Have you ever taken a class in anatomy?

Funny how few scientists, anatomists, doctors, psychologist thinks that is at all relevant. You want to take a super simple view based upon your interpretation of "in science class when we learned about reproduction " there is a whole lot of other stuff we should be making policy based on.

Like I hope you never eat processed foods, and that you actually go out and hunt/collect it in a way that burns lots of energy. Because our bodies didn't evolve to easily access high energy, low nutrient foods.

2. Since when is it unconstitutional for the laws of society to reflect scientific truths?

When they don't because they don't.