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Your transition from liberalism to conservatism

Postby Svobodu » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:02 pm

I would like to when/why/what caused any fellow libertarian/conservative/capitalist NSGers to "see the light" so to speak. Partly because I'm reflecting on my own course and would like to hear others'.

I would say I followed a not uncommon path in terms of politcal beliefs. In high-school and early university I was definitely liberal in terms of my political opinions. Won't go into why because I couldn't exactly say why - I can only theorize. Once I aged a bit more, became totally obsessed with libertarian/capitalist ideals. Not saying that age is the sole key to holding conservative beliefs, nor that liberals are more immature biologically. But I see so often that older people tend to be more conservative than younger people. I'm 26 now and still so many of my friends are liberal, so I can't chalk it up to just aging/maturing. I had specific experiences that led to my beliefs and would like to hear yours.

To the fellow libertarian/conservative/capitalist NSGers, what was your magic formula to becoming capitalist from once being liberal?

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Postby Meridiani Planum » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:05 pm

Svobodu wrote:To the fellow libertarian/conservative/capitalist NSGers, what was your magic formula to becoming capitalist from once being liberal?


No magic formula.

I simply started reading libertarian books, and then found that I agreed with them and liked their approach to politics. It not that large of a jump really -- from social liberalism to classical liberalism. It would have been a much larger jump to conservatism.
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Postby Mystletainn » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:07 pm

Svobodu wrote:I would like to when/why/what caused any fellow libertarian/conservative/capitalist NSGers to "see the light" so to speak. Partly because I'm reflecting on my own course and would like to hear others'.

I would say I followed a not uncommon path in terms of politcal beliefs. In high-school and early university I was definitely liberal in terms of my political opinions. Won't go into why because I couldn't exactly say why - I can only theorize. Once I aged a bit more, became totally obsessed with libertarian/capitalist ideals. Not saying that age is the sole key to holding conservative beliefs, nor that liberals are more immature biologically. But I see so often that older people tend to be more conservative than younger people. I'm 26 now and still so many of my friends are liberal, so I can't chalk it up to just aging/maturing. I had specific experiences that led to my beliefs and would like to hear yours.

To the fellow libertarian/conservative/capitalist NSGers, what was your magic formula to becoming capitalist from once being liberal?

I am loling hard at the definition of "Liberal" here.
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Postby Disserbia » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:08 pm

I've always been conservative in that I am sceptical of new ideas and like to makes sure they are good before I adopt them, I've always thought it's the only way to protect the society one lives in. I've always been pretty liberal socially because I am a constructivist, and though I view things wrong as per my moral values and religion (which are sometimes mutually exclusive sometimes not) I dare not impose this on other people...the more minds the better. I've always been moderately pro-capitalism economically, that one is thanks to my parents scaring me shitless about communism, also seeing how the US became the world's sole superpower and finally how globalization benefits everyone involved - even if it is at wildly different rates...mend it don't end it.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:09 pm

Mystletainn wrote:
Svobodu wrote:I would like to when/why/what caused any fellow libertarian/conservative/capitalist NSGers to "see the light" so to speak. Partly because I'm reflecting on my own course and would like to hear others'.

I would say I followed a not uncommon path in terms of politcal beliefs. In high-school and early university I was definitely liberal in terms of my political opinions. Won't go into why because I couldn't exactly say why - I can only theorize. Once I aged a bit more, became totally obsessed with libertarian/capitalist ideals. Not saying that age is the sole key to holding conservative beliefs, nor that liberals are more immature biologically. But I see so often that older people tend to be more conservative than younger people. I'm 26 now and still so many of my friends are liberal, so I can't chalk it up to just aging/maturing. I had specific experiences that led to my beliefs and would like to hear yours.

To the fellow libertarian/conservative/capitalist NSGers, what was your magic formula to becoming capitalist from once being liberal?

I am loling hard at the definition of "Liberal" here.

That seems a little forced.
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Postby Disserbia » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:10 pm

Mystletainn wrote:
Svobodu wrote:I would like to when/why/what caused any fellow libertarian/conservative/capitalist NSGers to "see the light" so to speak. Partly because I'm reflecting on my own course and would like to hear others'.

I would say I followed a not uncommon path in terms of politcal beliefs. In high-school and early university I was definitely liberal in terms of my political opinions. Won't go into why because I couldn't exactly say why - I can only theorize. Once I aged a bit more, became totally obsessed with libertarian/capitalist ideals. Not saying that age is the sole key to holding conservative beliefs, nor that liberals are more immature biologically. But I see so often that older people tend to be more conservative than younger people. I'm 26 now and still so many of my friends are liberal, so I can't chalk it up to just aging/maturing. I had specific experiences that led to my beliefs and would like to hear yours.

To the fellow libertarian/conservative/capitalist NSGers, what was your magic formula to becoming capitalist from once being liberal?

I am loling hard at the definition of "Liberal" here.

In America...
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Postby Rainbows and Rivers » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:11 pm

Svobodu wrote: But I see so often that older people tend to be more conservative than younger people.


I should note that while this is statistically true, the young people of today are also more likely to be liberal than the old people of today were when they were young.

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Postby Mystletainn » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:11 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Mystletainn wrote:I am loling hard at the definition of "Liberal" here.

That seems a little forced.

First off. I want to know how Mr. OP here defines Liberalism.

I define it through European and Classical Liberalism.
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Postby Mystletainn » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:11 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Mystletainn wrote:I am loling hard at the definition of "Liberal" here.

In America...

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Postby Svobodu » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:12 pm

Mystletainn wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That seems a little forced.

First off. I want to know how Mr. OP here defines Liberalism.

I define it through European and Classical Liberalism.



Sorry I forget a lot of people here aren't North American. I mean collectivist leanings. Generally the way "liberal" is used in US politics.

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Postby Mystletainn » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:13 pm

Svobodu wrote:
Mystletainn wrote:First off. I want to know how Mr. OP here defines Liberalism.

I define it through European and Classical Liberalism.



Sorry I forget a lot of people here aren't North American. I mean collectivist leanings. Generally the way "liberal" is used in US politics.

Understandable.
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Postby Sauritican » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:13 pm

When I was younger I supported George W. Bush, then through my real learning of politics from my parents and NS I've become a Democratic Socialist.
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Postby The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:14 pm

There are no conservatives in the United States. Merely neo-liberals with an ideological difference over the necessity of welfare.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:14 pm

Rainbows and Rivers wrote:
Svobodu wrote: But I see so often that older people tend to be more conservative than younger people.


I should note that while this is statistically true, the young people of today are also more likely to be liberal than the old people of today were when they were young.

According to what statistics?

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Postby Svobodu » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:15 pm

The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion wrote:There are no conservatives in the United States. Merely neo-liberals with an ideological difference over the necessity of welfare.


There are some! Just not many in government :)

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:15 pm

Mystletainn wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That seems a little forced.

First off. I want to know how Mr. OP here defines Liberalism.

I define it through European and Classical Liberalism.

Yeah, we know. Unfortunately, you are not the billionth person to make that pedantic point, so you do not get the prize.
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:15 pm

Svobodu wrote:Once I aged a bit more


I'm 26 now


*snort*
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:16 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Mystletainn wrote:First off. I want to know how Mr. OP here defines Liberalism.

I define it through European and Classical Liberalism.

Yeah, we know. Unfortunately, you are not the billionth person to make that pedantic point, so you do not get the prize.


Well, we used to have prizes.

They got too mainstream though.
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Postby Mystletainn » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:16 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Rainbows and Rivers wrote:
I should note that while this is statistically true, the young people of today are also more likely to be liberal than the old people of today were when they were young.

According to what statistics?

I think we have to clearly justify a universal meaning of "liberalism"
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Postby Svobodu » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:16 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Svobodu wrote:Once I aged a bit more


I'm 26 now


*snort*


Ha I know but technically 26 > 20

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Postby Mystletainn » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:16 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Mystletainn wrote:First off. I want to know how Mr. OP here defines Liberalism.

I define it through European and Classical Liberalism.

Yeah, we know. Unfortunately, you are not the billionth person to make that pedantic point, so you do not get the prize.

Oke *walks away into corner of shame*
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Postby The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:18 pm

Svobodu wrote:
The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion wrote:There are no conservatives in the United States. Merely neo-liberals with an ideological difference over the necessity of welfare.


There are some! Just not many in government :)


Apart from one socialist in the senate, the entire US congress is liberal in character.
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Postby Svobodu » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:20 pm

The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion wrote:
Svobodu wrote:
There are some! Just not many in government :)


Apart from one socialist in the senate, the entire US congress is liberal in character.


I would disagree with that. But that's for another thread. Many Republicans are just religious neo-libs though. Very few of them are true capitalists.

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Postby Neo Art » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:22 pm

Svobodu wrote:
The Chartered Colonies of Old Dominion wrote:
Apart from one socialist in the senate, the entire US congress is liberal in character.


I would disagree with that. But that's for another thread. Many Republicans are just religious neo-libs though. Very few of them are true capitalists.


Oh god.

I fucking blame Bioshock. Although, frankly, I don't think ANYBODY could have predicted the hordes of teenage boys who looked at Rapture and went "got to get me some of that'
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Postby The Truth and Light » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:25 pm

Methinks you would have to have never really understood Liberalism to have gone away from it. That, or you must have found some pretty cunning sophistic literature. *nods*

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