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Postby Freezerville » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:11 pm

A carbon tax would only raise gas prices less than .0008 cents at most and heating bills $.003.
Currently, our cap-and-trade has caused gas prices to rise 30-40%, has solved nothing, and is only helping big buisnesses and fossil fuel companies to fuel the world's addiction to fossil fuels.
Contention 3. Solvency

1.
A.
A carbon tax is the best policy option. It provides effective and efficient cuts, leads to more innovation, avoids corruption, eliminates burdensome federal regulations, stabilizes prices, is adjustable and predictable, has methods in place now to collect the tax, keeps the money in the United States for investment and innovation, and mitigates the economic damages of halting fossil fuel use. (http://www.carbontax.org/)

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A. Carbon Taxes Will Lend Predictability to Energy Prices.
With carbon taxes ramped up through a multi-year phase-in, future energy and power prices can be predicted with a reasonable degree of confidence well ahead of time. This will make it possible for literally millions of energy-critical decisions — from the design of new electricity generating plants to the purchase of the family car to the materials used in commercial airframes — to be made with full cognizance of carbon-appropriate price signals. In contrast, a cap-and-trade program will exacerbate the volatility of energy prices since the price of carbon allowances will fluctuate as weather and economic factors affect the demand for energy. The vaunted advantage of cap-and-trade — that future levels of carbon emissions can be known ahead of time — is mostly notional, moreover, since most cap-and-trade systems under discussion include a "safety-valve" for auctioning off additional carbon allowances if the price of allowances exceeds a predetermined level. And even certainty in future emission levels is of questionable value, since there is no agreed-upon trajectory of emissions for achieving climate stability and preventing disaster. The real target for which the U.S. must aim is to reduce carbon emissions as much as possible, and then more.

B. Carbon Taxes Will Provide Quicker Results.
The taxes themselves can be designed and adopted quickly and fairly. Cap-and-trade systems, by contrast, are devilishly complex and will take years to develop and implement. Thorny issues must be addressed intellectually and resolved politically; the proper level of the cap, timing, allowance allocations, certification procedures, standards for use of offsets, penalties, regional conflicts, the inevitable requests for exceptions by affected parties and a myriad of other complex issues must all be resolved before cap-and-trade systems can be implemented. During this time, polluters will continue to emit carbon with no cost consequences.





C. Carbon Taxes Address All Sectors and Activities Producing Carbon Emissions. Carbon taxes target carbon emissions in all sectors — energy, industry and transportation. It would be unwise to ignore the non-electricity sectors that account for 60% of U.S. CO2 emissions.

D. Putting a price on the carbon emissions attendant on fuel use would create numerous incentives to reduce the use of carbon-intensive energy. The increased costs of energy would flow through the economy, ultimately giving consumers incentives to reduce their use of electricity, transportation fuels, home heating oil, and so forth. Consumers, motivated by the tax, would have incentives to buy more efficient appliances, to buy and drive more efficient cars, and to better insulate their homes or construct them with more attention to energy conservation. A carbon tax would also create incentives for consumers to demand lower-carbon power sources from their local utilities. A carbon tax, as its cost flowed down the chains of production into consumer products, would lead manufacturers to become more efficient and consumers to economize in consumption. At all levels in the economy, a carbon tax would create a profit niche for environmental entrepreneurs to find ways to deliver lower-carbon energy at competitive prices.
Finally, a carbon tax would also serve to level (somewhat) the playing field among solar power, wind power, nuclear power, and carbon-based fuels by internalizing the cost of carbon emission into the price of the various forms of energy. Less Corruption. Unlike carbon cap-and-trade initiatives, a carbon tax would create little incentive or opportunity for rent-seeking or cheating. As William Nordhaus explains: A price approach gives less room for corruption because it does not create artificial scarcities, monopolies, or rents. There are no permits transferred to countries or leaders of countries, so they cannot be sold abroad for wine or guns. . . . In fact, a carbon tax would add absolutely nothing to the instruments that countries have today. Without the profit potential of amassing tradable carbon permits, industry groups would have less incentive to try to get credits for their favored but non-competitive energy sources. That is not to say that tax-based approaches are immune from corruption, for they certainly are not. If set too far down the chain of production or set unevenly among energy sources, carbon taxes could well lead to rent-seeking, political favoritism, economic distortions, and so on. Foreign governments might have an incentive to undermine a trading scheme by offering incentives to allow their manufacturers to avoid the cost of carbon trading. Elimination of Superfluous Regulations.
Because a carbon tax would cause carbon emissions to be reduced efficiently across the entire market, other measures that are less efficient-- and sometimes even perverse in their impacts--could be eliminated.
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A. Carbon tax is the best way to reduce greenhouse gasses and promote alternative energy solves 11% of greenhouse gasses for every 15$ of carbon tax established.
Green, Hayward, and Hassett, 2007
[Kenneth P. Green, Steven F. Hayward, Kevin A. Hassett, F. K. Weyerhaeuser Fellow, resident scholar, and senior fellow and director of economic policy studies at AEI, “Climate Change: Caps vs. Taxes,” http://www.aei.org/publications/filter. ... detail.asp, June 1, ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY OUTLOOK, AEI Online, No. 2 ]
A program of carbon-centered tax reform, by contrast, lacks most of the negative attributes of cap-and-trade, and could convey significant benefits unrelated to GHG reductions or avoidance of potential climate harms, making this a no-regrets policy. A tax swap would create economy-wide incentives for energy efficiency and lower-carbon energy, and by raising the price of energy would also reduce energy use. At the same time, revenues generated would allow the mitigation of the economic impact of higher energy prices, both on the general economy and on the lower-income earners who might be disproportionately affected by such a change. Carbon taxes would be more difficult to avoid, and existing institutions quite adept at tax collection could step up immediately.
Revenues would remain in-country, removing international incentives for cheating or insincere participation in carbon-reduction programs. Most of these effects would remain beneficial even if science should determine that reducing GHG emissions has only a negligible effect on mitigating global warming. A modest carbon tax of $15 per ton of
CO2 emitted would result in an 11 percent decline in CO2 emissions, while raising non-coal-based energy forms modestly. Coal-based energy prices would be affected more strongly, which is to be expected in any plan genuinely intended to reduce GHG emissions. A number of possible mechanisms are available to refund the revenues raised by this tax. On net, these tools could significantly reduce the economic costs of the tax and quite possibly provide economic benefits. For these reasons, we conclude that if aggressive actions are to be taken to control GHG emissions, carbon-centered tax reform--not GHG emission trading-- is the superior policy option.


Debate-central.org Carbon Tax AFF
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Warming 1AC – Contention 3 – Solvency – (11/13)
C. Carbon tax would best encourage the switch to renewables
Shapiro 2007
[Robert J., “Addressing the Risks of Climate Change: The Environmental Effectiveness and Economic Efficiency of Emissions Caps and Tradable Permits, Compared to Carbon Taxes,” former U.S. Undersecretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs during the Clinton Administration, February, http://www.aci-citizenresearch.org/Shapiro.pdf ]
Carbon taxes also should provide greater incentives for companies to develop new, environmentally-friendly technologies or abatement strategies than a cap-and-trade program. The tax would provide “a continual incentive to reduce the costs of carbon abatement,”66 as a leading energy economist put it, because the permanent increase in the cost of carbon-intensive energy would raise the rate of return on the development and use of technologies that reduce the consumption of those forms of energy. Cap-and-trade
provides less powerful incentives in this respect, because its impact on energy prices is less constant and more volatile. And under flawed versions of the cap-and-trade strategy, such as Kyoto-based targets, the availability of excess permits further weakens the incentives to develop and use alternative fuels and more energy-efficient technologies.

D. Carbon tax solves for pollution at every point of the cycle
Kriz 2007
[Margaret, “Dingell’s Dare,” the National Journal, October 20, download date” 6-90-08]
But carbon-tax supporters say that Dingell is only stating the obvious: A tax may be necessary to curb global warming. "I think there is a growing understanding of how bad cap-and-trade is," AEI's Green said. "And if that sentiment continues to grow,
more people will say, 'Look, we need to bring a positive alternative to the table.' And what they're left with is going to be a carbon tax." Industry associations say that their members are split on how to address global warming. A lobbyist with one group
estimated that about 40 percent of his members favor a cap-and-trade plan and the rest are evenly divided between supporting a carbon tax and opposing all controls on greenhouse gases. But cap-and-trade proponents might jump ship, he said, if Congress were to write a bill that they believed disadvantaged their companies. "If I were going to handicap the race, I would say, long term there is a better chance for a carbon tax because they can make it apply to everything, including products coming into the country," he said. "Industry's biggest concern is, 'Is this going to be fair?' A carbon tax is perceived as being fair."

E. Carbon tax should be implemented on the federal level – it’s the only way to fairly spread the cost of the plan around
Einholf 2007
[David M., formerly a managing partner in Energy Resources Management, Daily Journal of Commerce (Portland, OR), “Carbon and the Pacific Northwest, effective emissions control,” November 13 ]
On the other hand is the carbon tax, which would place a charge on the carbon emissions generated by any fossil fuel (e.g. coal, natural gas, oil products). Carbon taxes are favored by utilities with a majority of renewable, natural gas, or nuclear resources in their portfolios. Many conservative economists have also embraced the carbon tax as a potential replacement for some personal and corporate income taxes. Economists estimate that a tax of $10 per metric ton of carbon dioxide emissions (the common measure)
could yield more than $50 billion per year to the treasury, assuming some reductions from a 2005 baseline. As with cap and trade, a carbon tax has its pros and cons. As an economic policy, a carbon tax would be simple to implement at the national level. It would largely affect utilities and oil producers, who would simply pass it through to their customers. Estimates of the effect of a $10 per Megaton carbon dioxide tax are an increase of $0.024 cents per gallon of gas and $0.0017 per kilowatt-hour of electricity, less than a 2 percent increase. As a tax, however, it would affect the poor and small business disproportionately, as they pay a greater part of their income for oil and electricity. Lastly, a carbon tax is only truly effective if it is instituted as a national policy.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:26 pm

cut all spending in proportion to what % it makes up the budget currently.
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:54 pm

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EvilDarkMagicians wrote:Golly this will be interesting and new.

Why are you sarcastic?


I'm not.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:58 pm

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:Step 1: Challenge all the nations of South America to a "friendly" game of poker. Venezuela probably won't come, but that's okay because we only need 11 other players.
Step 1B: If fewer than 11 South American countries agree to come, then go to Central America.
Step 1C: If even that isn't enough, I guess we could invite Canada. They're always hanging around anyway.
Step 2: Cheat like a motherfucker.
Step 3: When each nation has busted, offer to loan them a trillion dollars so they can continue playing. It's only a game, it isn't like we're dealing with real money here, right?
Step 4: Cheat like a motherfucker
Step 5: Tell China that the $11 trillion in debt is now the problem of those 11 suckers over there.
Step 6: Avoid memes whenever possible.


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Postby Maurepas » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:01 pm

Freezerville wrote:A carbon tax would only raise gas prices less than .0008 cents at most and heating bills $.003.

The tax itself maybe, but that is not what determines prices, market forces do, and taxes will generally end in an increase in price...

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Postby Praetonia » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:15 pm

Abolish the government. This may well inconvenience the creditors, but frankly, they're lucky they're not up before the magistrates for handling stolen goods.

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Postby Rolling squid » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:26 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Freezerville wrote:A carbon tax would only raise gas prices less than .0008 cents at most and heating bills $.003.

The tax itself maybe, but that is not what determines prices, market forces do, and taxes will generally end in an increase in price...


So slap a carbon tax on things, and then put a price freeze on those items taxed.
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Postby Californian Mod Haters » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:10 pm

Rolling squid wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
Freezerville wrote:A carbon tax would only raise gas prices less than .0008 cents at most and heating bills $.003.

The tax itself maybe, but that is not what determines prices, market forces do, and taxes will generally end in an increase in price...


So slap a carbon tax on things, and then put a price freeze on those items taxed.

And risk having a shortage of almost everything? Not going to happen any time soon (or at all)

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Postby Rolling squid » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:25 pm

Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Rolling squid wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
Freezerville wrote:A carbon tax would only raise gas prices less than .0008 cents at most and heating bills $.003.

The tax itself maybe, but that is not what determines prices, market forces do, and taxes will generally end in an increase in price...


So slap a carbon tax on things, and then put a price freeze on those items taxed.

And risk having a shortage of almost everything? Not going to happen any time soon (or at all)



Use the money we're making off the carbon tax to develop alternate energy.
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Postby Californian Mod Haters » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:29 pm

Rolling squid wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Rolling squid wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
Freezerville wrote:A carbon tax would only raise gas prices less than .0008 cents at most and heating bills $.003.

The tax itself maybe, but that is not what determines prices, market forces do, and taxes will generally end in an increase in price...


So slap a carbon tax on things, and then put a price freeze on those items taxed.

And risk having a shortage of almost everything? Not going to happen any time soon (or at all)



Use the money we're making off the carbon tax to develop alternate energy.

Then where's all the plastic and fertlizer going to come from?

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Postby Maurepas » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:33 pm

Rolling squid wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Rolling squid wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
Freezerville wrote:A carbon tax would only raise gas prices less than .0008 cents at most and heating bills $.003.

The tax itself maybe, but that is not what determines prices, market forces do, and taxes will generally end in an increase in price...


So slap a carbon tax on things, and then put a price freeze on those items taxed.

And risk having a shortage of almost everything? Not going to happen any time soon (or at all)



Use the money we're making off the carbon tax to develop alternate energy.

We can put the ordinary tax towards such development quite easily, and we should...

However, any kind of "price freeze" would simply resort to massive expense to the consumer, and/or shortages...

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Postby Californian Mod Haters » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:34 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Rolling squid wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Rolling squid wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
Freezerville wrote:A carbon tax would only raise gas prices less than .0008 cents at most and heating bills $.003.

The tax itself maybe, but that is not what determines prices, market forces do, and taxes will generally end in an increase in price...


So slap a carbon tax on things, and then put a price freeze on those items taxed.

And risk having a shortage of almost everything? Not going to happen any time soon (or at all)



Use the money we're making off the carbon tax to develop alternate energy.

We can put the ordinary tax towards such development quite easily, and we should...

However, any kind of "price freeze" would simply resort to massive expense to the consumer, and/or shortages...

Like I said

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Postby Korintar » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:21 pm

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It's a bit old, restrictive, and I don't know how accurate any of it is, but it's fun to see if you can actually lower the debt and keep things you want around.

I delayed the budget bust to 2070+


Same here, I slashed funding for defense, foreign aid, the space program, the arts, and sciences, while I raised taxes across the board. I increased spending on mass transit and alternative fuels research and computerized the healthcare records. I think I had enough room for universal healthcare, even.
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Postby Californian Mod Haters » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:22 pm

Now for my opinion:

I'd first cut almost all spending to the military. After that I'd set up a simplified tax code summed up by the following:

There'd be a base income tax of 5% with 5% more per every $100,000 you've got until you reached $900,000. You'd also be taxed 1% more for every $1,000,000,000 you have until you reach $5,000,000,000. Corporate taxes would work under the same system as well since corporations are legal persons. Sales taxes would be raised to 40%. The saving tax would be eliminated. Business taxes would be 5%. All taxes would be handled by the IRS.

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Postby Polish Denmark » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:24 pm

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:Step 1: Challenge all the nations of South America to a "friendly" game of poker. Venezuela probably won't come, but that's okay because we only need 11 other players.
Step 1B: If fewer than 11 South American countries agree to come, then go to Central America.
Step 1C: If even that isn't enough, I guess we could invite Canada. They're always hanging around anyway.
Step 2: Cheat like a motherfucker.
Step 3: When each nation has busted, offer to loan them a trillion dollars so they can continue playing. It's only a game, it isn't like we're dealing with real money here, right?
Step 4: Cheat like a motherfucker
Step 5: Tell China that the $11 trillion in debt is now the problem of those 11 suckers over there.
Step 6: Avoid memes whenever possible.


There is not 11 nations in South America
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Postby New Kereptica » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:27 pm

Polish Denmark wrote:
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:Step 1: Challenge all the nations of South America to a "friendly" game of poker. Venezuela probably won't come, but that's okay because we only need 11 other players.
Step 1B: If fewer than 11 South American countries agree to come, then go to Central America.
Step 1C: If even that isn't enough, I guess we could invite Canada. They're always hanging around anyway.
Step 2: Cheat like a motherfucker.
Step 3: When each nation has busted, offer to loan them a trillion dollars so they can continue playing. It's only a game, it isn't like we're dealing with real money here, right?
Step 4: Cheat like a motherfucker
Step 5: Tell China that the $11 trillion in debt is now the problem of those 11 suckers over there.
Step 6: Avoid memes whenever possible.


There is not 11 nations in South America


Correct. There are 13. Your point being?
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Postby Freezerville » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:29 pm

A Carbon Tax is what me and my partner used for last years Policy debate resolution for increaseing alternative energy incentives.
The whole year, only other teams from my school understood it. Even teams we met at every meet every weekend didn't ever figure it out. You have it figured out (except the price freeze, not included in plan) in one short sitting.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:40 pm

I'd suspend social security, welfare, medicare and medicaid. Get out of Iraq, generally downsize the military.
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Postby Californian Mod Haters » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:54 pm

Californian Mod Haters wrote:Now for my opinion:

I'd first cut almost all spending to the military. After that I'd set up a simplified tax code summed up by the following:

There'd be a base income tax of 5% with 5% more per every $100,000 you've got until you reached $900,000. You'd also be taxed 1% more for every $1,000,000,000 you have until you reach $5,000,000,000. Corporate taxes would work under the same system as well since corporations are legal persons. Sales taxes would be raised to 40%. The saving tax would be eliminated. Business taxes would be 5%. All taxes would be handled by the IRS.

How do you like my idea?

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Postby Yootopia » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:56 pm

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Californian Mod Haters wrote:Now for my opinion:

I'd first cut almost all spending to the military. After that I'd set up a simplified tax code summed up by the following:

There'd be a base income tax of 5% with 5% more per every $100,000 you've got until you reached $900,000. You'd also be taxed 1% more for every $1,000,000,000 you have until you reach $5,000,000,000. Corporate taxes would work under the same system as well since corporations are legal persons. Sales taxes would be raised to 40%. The saving tax would be eliminated. Business taxes would be 5%. All taxes would be handled by the IRS.

How do you like my idea?

Why are you charging the vast, vast majority of people only 5% income tax? This is madness.
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:58 pm

Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:Now for my opinion:

I'd first cut almost all spending to the military. After that I'd set up a simplified tax code summed up by the following:

There'd be a base income tax of 5% with 5% more per every $100,000 you've got until you reached $900,000. You'd also be taxed 1% more for every $1,000,000,000 you have until you reach $5,000,000,000. Corporate taxes would work under the same system as well since corporations are legal persons. Sales taxes would be raised to 40%. The saving tax would be eliminated. Business taxes would be 5%. All taxes would be handled by the IRS.

How do you like my idea?

I wouldnt put a cap on how high it goes, and I think that Sales tax goes a bit high...I probably wouldnt bother with eliminating, or lowering any current taxes, personally...

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Postby Californian Mod Haters » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:58 pm

Yootopia wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:Now for my opinion:

I'd first cut almost all spending to the military. After that I'd set up a simplified tax code summed up by the following:

There'd be a base income tax of 5% with 5% more per every $100,000 you've got until you reached $900,000. You'd also be taxed 1% more for every $1,000,000,000 you have until you reach $5,000,000,000. Corporate taxes would work under the same system as well since corporations are legal persons. Sales taxes would be raised to 40%. The saving tax would be eliminated. Business taxes would be 5%. All taxes would be handled by the IRS.

How do you like my idea?

Why are you charging the vast, vast majority of people only 5% income tax? This is madness.

Madness?

THIS...IS...SPARTA!

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Bomb whoever mentions it.
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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:00 pm

Yootopia wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:Now for my opinion:

I'd first cut almost all spending to the military. After that I'd set up a simplified tax code summed up by the following:

There'd be a base income tax of 5% with 5% more per every $100,000 you've got until you reached $900,000. You'd also be taxed 1% more for every $1,000,000,000 you have until you reach $5,000,000,000. Corporate taxes would work under the same system as well since corporations are legal persons. Sales taxes would be raised to 40%. The saving tax would be eliminated. Business taxes would be 5%. All taxes would be handled by the IRS.

How do you like my idea?

Why are you charging the vast, vast majority of people only 5% income tax? This is madness.

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Postby Maurepas » Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:01 pm

Yootopia wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:
Californian Mod Haters wrote:Now for my opinion:

I'd first cut almost all spending to the military. After that I'd set up a simplified tax code summed up by the following:

There'd be a base income tax of 5% with 5% more per every $100,000 you've got until you reached $900,000. You'd also be taxed 1% more for every $1,000,000,000 you have until you reach $5,000,000,000. Corporate taxes would work under the same system as well since corporations are legal persons. Sales taxes would be raised to 40%. The saving tax would be eliminated. Business taxes would be 5%. All taxes would be handled by the IRS.

How do you like my idea?

Why are you charging the vast, vast majority of people only 5% income tax? This is madness.

True, but the first part about the 5% tax increases would probably be a good idea, I think...

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