The Mod-Sanctioned Israel/Palestine thread

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

We'd, we

I'll take all this WE to mean you understand that I am Jewish finally.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

He probably would survive. People in arab countries aren't bloodthirsty child murderers, ready to kill any unprotected (white) American

And you know that how?

[Spiritwolf]

No, we can't put them all in cattlecars and ship them away, like I said before, I'm in favour of letting them voluntarily leave in a few months, those who DO NOT leave, will be forced to leave, but without their possesions, so if an Arab would like to keep his possesions, he will leave, those who do not leave will be forced to leave with nothing but their clothes.

What sort of transportation are you proposing to forcibly get them to the border?

Bayonet point. Add in that any who resist using violence will be shot where they stand and you have a workable proposal in my view. Peace with them is impossible. Keeping them is impossible. This is the only way.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

man who tirelessly advocates return to jewish homeland inexplicably incapable of understanding why people would want to return to their home village

Not a big surprise to me considering he would eventually support the "State of Israel" wiping Palestine off the map

For the last time I support the 2 state solution with the Jordan river as the border. So I'm not wiping Palestine off the map.

[Xsyne]

Not a big surprise to me considering he would eventually support the "State of Israel" wiping Palestine off the map

For the last time I support the 2 state solution with the Jordan river as the border. So I'm not wiping Palestine off the map.

Other than the part where all of Palestine is now within Israel, of course.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

What sort of transportation are you proposing to forcibly get them to the border?

Bayonet point. Add in that any who resist using violence will be shot where they stand and you have a workable proposal in my view. Peace with them is impossible. Keeping them is impossible. This is the only way.

OR you could just establish the palestinian state in Palestine(Jordan) and give Israeli citizenship to those who choose to stay behind in Israel.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

For the last time I support the 2 state solution with the Jordan river as the border. So I'm not wiping Palestine off the map.

Other than the part where all of Palestine is now within Israel, of course.

No this is my plan

[Spiritwolf]

Bayonet point. Add in that any who resist using violence will be shot where they stand and you have a workable proposal in my view. Peace with them is impossible. Keeping them is impossible. This is the only way.

OR you could just establish the palestinian state in Palestine(Jordan) and give Israeli citizenship to those who choose to stay behind in Israel.

Jordan is the palestinian state, agreed. Allowing any of them to stay is unacceptable. Giving them Israeli citizenship is treasonous.

[Ralkovia]

You lack an understanding of African History. Societal relations between groups were bad to begin with. Arab conquerors to the North had already begun expanding into and enslaving most of Northern Africa. A large number of the genocide so far has been Arabs/Muslims vs. Blacks.

Colonialism in reality likely brought closer communication to and the creation of actual urbanized cities in Africa. As much as you like to play white guilt and cry about colonialism, the fact of the matter is that the Tuareg have practiced slavery on their neighbors before colonialism and still continue to do so. And so on and so forth. Colonialism is a small factor in the over all "Fuck ton of things wrong with Africa." The first and foremost is the fact that colonialism was replaced by the corporation.

A Colony had by side effect the improving of the life of the average person through the construction of infrastructure, availability of medicine, modern technology. A corporation doesn't need to do that. All it does is bribe and extract resources. No need to build or help anyone.

I'm just going to drop Rwanda and Sudan here, and walk away. Colonialism is a problem not a solution and as it stood it made it so development after was harder because the infrastructure they built was for their own interests and not the people's. Now there is no way to maintain it which is why there are problems with development and raising the quality of living. If you can't maintain infrastructure, you will never have anything. China might have fucked up relations even more between the Arabs and the blacks in Sudan, but at least they found a way to help Africa help itself, and really help it, not oppress them and destroy any remnants of what their culture used to be. Also, if you think Colonialism really did anything for the people that lived in these places I raise you the Herero and Namaqua Genocide. Colonialism was good for Africa my fucking ass.

Sudan was the Arab Muslims vs. Blacks. Not colonialism. Rwanda was admittedly the fault of Colonialism. However, I never denied colonialism was bad. It just clearly has far more benefits than the current set up had.

China by the way is the same as us. The fact that you don't understand how World Politics works shows your naivete.

[Ralkovia]

He probably would survive. People in arab countries aren't bloodthirsty child murderers, ready to kill any unprotected (white) American

And you know that how?

Because America would bomb them back to the stone age.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

OR you could just establish the palestinian state in Palestine(Jordan) and give Israeli citizenship to those who choose to stay behind in Israel.

Jordan is the palestinian state, agreed. Allowing any of them to stay is unacceptable. Giving them Israeli citizenship is treasonous.

Palestinians are people and as people they must be given citizenship in the country they want to live in.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

And you know that how?

Because America would bomb them back to the stone age.

Aren't most of them already there?

[Sulamalik]

I'm just going to drop Rwanda and Sudan here, and walk away. Colonialism is a problem not a solution and as it stood it made it so development after was harder because the infrastructure they built was for their own interests and not the people's. Now there is no way to maintain it which is why there are problems with development and raising the quality of living. If you can't maintain infrastructure, you will never have anything. China might have fucked up relations even more between the Arabs and the blacks in Sudan, but at least they found a way to help Africa help itself, and really help it, not oppress them and destroy any remnants of what their culture used to be. Also, if you think Colonialism really did anything for the people that lived in these places I raise you the Herero and Namaqua Genocide. Colonialism was good for Africa my fucking ass.

Sudan was the Arab Muslims vs. Blacks. Not colonialism. Rwanda was admittedly the fault of Colonialism. However, I never denied colonialism was bad. It just clearly has far more benefits than the current set up had.

China by the way is the same as us. The fact that you don't understand how World Politics works shows your naivete.

Not to derail this thread, which admittedly, is what I'm doing, but the troubles in Sudan were absolutely a product of colonialism. The country was built around artificial borders, crossing clear ethnic lines, by the retreating British authority. The whole struggle for the creation of South Sudan was a result of undoing the sordid mark that British colonialism made on that region.

[Ralkovia]

Because America would bomb them back to the stone age.

Aren't most of them already there?

Bomb all there cities.

[Spiritwolf]

Jordan is the palestinian state, agreed. Allowing any of them to stay is unacceptable. Giving them Israeli citizenship is treasonous.

Palestinians are people and as people they must be given citizenship in the country they want to live in.

They are people who want to kill us. Violence and death are the only things they ever produce. Negotiations are a false path that will never yield peace with them. The very definition of madness is to repeatedly do the same action and expect, at some point, a different result. This is unproductive and pointless.You may not see it this way but my proposal for them to leave, unharmed and with our assistance during the process, is actually humanitarian. I have no wish for anymore loss of life, whether Israeli or palestinian.

[Neu California]

Palestinians are people and as people they must be given citizenship in the country they want to live in.

They are people who want to kill us. Violence and death are the only things they ever produce. Negotiations are a false path that will never yield peace with them. The very definition of madness is to repeatedly do the same action and expect, at some point, a different result. This is unproductive and pointless.You may not see it this way but my proposal for them to leave, unharmed and with our assistance during the process, is actually humanitarian. I have no wish for anymore loss of life, whether Israeli or palestinian.

I would love to see you prove that every last accusation you make against the Palestinians is absolutely correct. I really would.

[New Rogernomics]

Jordan is the palestinian state, agreed. Allowing any of them to stay is unacceptable. Giving them Israeli citizenship is treasonous.

Palestinians are people and as people they must be given citizenship in the country they want to live in.

So you have no problems with all the Palestinian refugees recieving Israeli citizenship and land rights, Israeli policy is to do the reverse i.e. bar refugees and take land rights of Palestinians away. Not that those policies are unpopular, religious crazies and nationalists from both sides can just rally support from poor people without homes.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Palestinians are people and as people they must be given citizenship in the country they want to live in.

They are people who want to kill us. Violence and death are the only things they ever produce. Negotiations are a false path that will never yield peace with them.

These People You Can't Negotiate with

That said there is a huge minority of Palestinians who just want to live.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Palestinians are people and as people they must be given citizenship in the country they want to live in.

So you have no problems with all the Palestinian refugees recieving Israeli citizenship and land rights,

No because that would destroy Israel's Jewish identity. Establish the Palestinian state in Palestine(Jordan) and give citizenship to the few Palestinians who choose to stay in Israel.

[Neu California]

So you have no problems with all the Palestinian refugees recieving Israeli citizenship and land rights,

No because that would destroy Israel's Jewish identity. Establish the Palestinian state in Palestine(Jordan) and give citizenship to the few Palestinians who choose to stay in Israel.

Ignoring the fact that it's been pointed out multiple times that Jordan is not Palestine for the moment, how do you know that most Palestinians would want to move to Jordan, after they've lived in Israel and the occupied territories for generations?

As to Israel's jewish identity, that's under threat by simple demographics

[Spiritwolf]

They are people who want to kill us. Violence and death are the only things they ever produce. Negotiations are a false path that will never yield peace with them.

These People You Can't Negotiate with

That said there is a huge minority of Palestinians who just want to live.

I respect that and believe there are many who do. There is also a huge majority of Israelis who just want to live, in peace and security. What of our people? Do we continue to watch our sons and daughters die in the hope that someday, somehow there will be peace? Hope is not action. Only action will bring us peace.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

No because that would destroy Israel's Jewish identity. Establish the Palestinian state in Palestine(Jordan) and give citizenship to the few Palestinians who choose to stay in Israel.

Ignoring the fact that it's been pointed out multiple times that Jordan is not Palestine for the moment, how do you know that most Palestinians would want to move to Jordan, after they've lived in Israel and the occupied territories for generations?

98% of West Bank Palestinians live in Palestinian governed areas A and B. Only 2% live in Israeli governed area C. The same thing would happen if Palestine was liberated from the Heshemites.

As to Israel's jewish identity, that's under threat by simple demographics

Demographics change all the time.

[Nomelan]

He probably would survive. People in arab countries aren't bloodthirsty child murderers, ready to kill any unprotected (white) American

And you know that how?

Burden of proof. He claims that all arabs are bloodthirsty monsters. I claim that they are normal people who react to shitty situations like any of us would, given their background. He claims guilt, I claim innocence, in other words. Innocent until proven guilty. boom: I out-lawyered a jew

[Nomelan]

What sort of transportation are you proposing to forcibly get them to the border?

Bayonet point. Add in that any who resist using violence will be shot where they stand and you have a workable proposal in my view. Peace with them is impossible. Keeping them is impossible. This is the only way.

So you want Israel to do unto the palsetinians as the nazis did unto the jews?

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

i never once promoted ethnic cleansing and i'm 150% against it. But of course you and DK can't find a legitamite argument so ou resort to genocidal racist naming.

What do you call moving a large ethnic group out of your country then?

Ethnic cleansing. But i've never advocated that.