The Mod-Sanctioned Israel/Palestine thread

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Why are you calling the truth bullshit?

Why are you responding to a post asking for a source to say "well it's true lol!!!" with no attempt to provide a source?

Because all the Arab countries are violent racist states that persecute minorites. Even Palestinians aren't immune

[Ralkovia]

Everyone seems to forget that all the "Arab Nations" are hostile, racist countries that heavily persecute minorities.

Source this bullshit right now.

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/reli ... tm#wrapper

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... nce-rise#_

I can literally pull examples out of my ass all day. It's common knowledge after all.

[Seangoli]

Why are you responding to a post asking for a source to say "well it's true lol!!!" with no attempt to provide a source?

Because all the Arab countries are violent racist states that persecute minorites. Even Palestinians aren't immune

Not surprising in the least. Palestinians as a group have historically been one of the more shat on Arab populations. In the 18th to early 20th century they were essentially the lowest of the low in arab social systems, comprising largely of peasant farmers who were looked down upon heavily. If I recall correctly, it's exactly their station in life that has led to them being highly discriminated against, as they are below civilized society in a sense.

It's kind of a signifier of Palestinian identity in the current day, with a sort of common idea that they are all still fallahin regardless of station.

[DogDoo 7]

Because all the Arab countries are violent racist states that persecute minorites. Even Palestinians aren't immune

Not surprising in the least. Palestinians as a group have historically been one of the more shat on Arab populations. In the 18th to early 20th century they were essentially the lowest of the low in arab social systems, comprising largely of peasant farmers who were looked down upon heavily. If I recall correctly, it's exactly their station in life that has led to them being highly discriminated against, as they are below civilized society in a sense.

It's kind of a signifier of Palestinian identity in the current day, with a sort of common idea that they are all still fallahin regardless of station.

Interestingly, the felaheen were the most progressive of all the sectors. This is Gaza in 1956.


Oh, and my friend just finished working on this project. Now you can see exactly how many discriminatory laws Israel has.

[DogDoo 7]

Ah, but it doesn't prove your point, because you said that the muslim countries kicked them out. Instead, the zionists convinced them to leave.

Egypt, Yemen, Algeria, Tunisia, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Libya kicked them out.

There is substantial evidence that the Mossad planted bombs in the Jewish community of Baghdad in order to provide an extra push-factor to get the Jews to leave. Let's not forget that at this time, Israel was desperate for warm Jewish bodies to fill the newly acquired real estate.

[Northwest Slobovia]

I'm not the one who said "Gaza is now Israeli and will remain so." I'm officially agnostic regarding one-state or two-states, but will fight with all my might to prevent Israel from expelling people or selectively annexing territory.

Yup, we're supposed to be the good guys.

[Northwest Slobovia]

We could probably ask Dogdoo, I think he works at an oil field or a refinery. I'm unsure.

Yeah, I do. Anyway, shale oil is bad. It's a real great way to ruin the environment (of which there isn't so much of here).

Well, but that's the thing: isn't there supposed to be a big field in the Negev (or is it the southern Judean Desert)? In the north, sure, the Qishon is already a cesspool and the Kinneret is already low on water (usually), so it's not like the area needs any more help.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Because all the Arab countries are violent racist states that persecute minorites. Even Palestinians aren't immune

Not surprising in the least. Palestinians as a group have historically been one of the more shat on Arab populations. In the 18th to early 20th century they were essentially the lowest of the low in arab social systems, comprising largely of peasant farmers who were looked down upon heavily. If I recall correctly, it's exactly their station in life that has led to them being highly discriminated against, as they are below civilized society in a sense.

It's kind of a signifier of Palestinian identity in the current day, with a sort of common idea that they are all still fallahin regardless of station.

And that's why I reluctantly support the Palestinians right to a homeland.

[Nomelan]

I'm not opposed to annexation of Gaza, as soon as you add the 1.5 million people to the citizenship rolls.

That would cause a serious demographic threat?
It seems like you always try to find a way to make us a minority?
Yes, we want to annex Judea and Samaria and the Gaza strip, but only after we move them out!

You don't seem to get it, do you. Let me explain lowly
That. Will. Never. Happen.
If Israel tried to expel the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank, it would become a pariah state on the scale of North Korea. Not even the United States would support it after that. There may even be a call for regime change, and the establishment of a one-state solution, after a brief international occupation. In effect the hubris and overconfidence of the right wing expansionists would do more to destroy their own state than the Arab nations ever could.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Oh, and my friend just finished working on this project. Now you can see exactly how many discriminatory laws Israel has.

But none of those laws are discriminatory. At all.Except this one

[Ralkovia]

That would cause a serious demographic threat?
It seems like you always try to find a way to make us a minority?
Yes, we want to annex Judea and Samaria and the Gaza strip, but only after we move them out!

You don't seem to get it, do you. Let me explain lowly
That. Will. Never. Happen.
If Israel tried to expel the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank, it would become a pariah state on the scale of North Korea. Not even the United States would support it after that. There may even be a call for regime change, and the establishment of a one-state solution, after a brief international occupation. In effect the hubris and overconfidence of the right wing expansionists would do more to destroy their own state than the Arab nations ever could.

Except, it wouldn't. There would be no occupation, because at this point only a western power could take out Israel. And Israel has nukes, and no one would risk that. Instead, people would likely cut off all trade with Israel and Israel would have 1 of 3 options. Cede to International Pressure or become an Internation pariah. There is a third option on the table as well. Cozy up to China and offer them everything military they could want. That would likely see the end of all the good grace Israel has in America however.

[Nomelan]

You don't seem to get it, do you. Let me explain lowly
That. Will. Never. Happen.
If Israel tried to expel the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank, it would become a pariah state on the scale of North Korea. Not even the United States would support it after that. There may even be a call for regime change, and the establishment of a one-state solution, after a brief international occupation. In effect the hubris and overconfidence of the right wing expansionists would do more to destroy their own state than the Arab nations ever could.

Except, it wouldn't. There would be no occupation, because at this point only a western power could take out Israel. And Israel has nukes, and no one would risk that. Instead, people would likely cut off all trade with Israel and Israel would have 1 of 3 options. Cede to International Pressure or become an Internation pariah. There is a third option on the table as well. Cozy up to China and offer them everything military they could want. That would likely see the end of all the good grace Israel has in America however.

What does Israel have to offer China that it can't get elsewhere, though?

[Northwest Slobovia]

Except, it wouldn't. There would be no occupation, because at this point only a western power could take out Israel. And Israel has nukes, and no one would risk that. Instead, people would likely cut off all trade with Israel and Israel would have 1 of 3 options. Cede to International Pressure or become an Internation pariah. There is a third option on the table as well. Cozy up to China and offer them everything military they could want. That would likely see the end of all the good grace Israel has in America however.

What does Israel have to offer China that it can't get elsewhere, though?

Very fancy weapons, of the sort that only the US is otherwise known to have.

[Northwest Slobovia]

You don't seem to get it, do you. Let me explain lowly
That. Will. Never. Happen.
If Israel tried to expel the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank, it would become a pariah state on the scale of North Korea. Not even the United States would support it after that. There may even be a call for regime change, and the establishment of a one-state solution, after a brief international occupation. In effect the hubris and overconfidence of the right wing expansionists would do more to destroy their own state than the Arab nations ever could.

Except, it wouldn't. There would be no occupation, because at this point only a western power could take out Israel. And Israel has nukes, and no one would risk that. Instead, people would likely cut off all trade with Israel and Israel would have 1 of 3 options. Cede to International Pressure or become an Internation pariah. There is a third option on the table as well. Cozy up to China and offer them everything military they could want. That would likely see the end of all the good grace Israel has in America however.

And a fourth, probably more realistic one: the Europeans posture about cutting off trade, do cut off some, but the US does nothing. That's basically just an exaggerated version of the status quo: the US supports Israel and Europe doesn't. 'course that could lead to the Israelis cutting off intelligence co-operation with the Europeans, and then things get interesting...

[Souseiseki]

You don't seem to get it, do you. Let me explain lowly
That. Will. Never. Happen.
If Israel tried to expel the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank, it would become a pariah state on the scale of North Korea. Not even the United States would support it after that. There may even be a call for regime change, and the establishment of a one-state solution, after a brief international occupation. In effect the hubris and overconfidence of the right wing expansionists would do more to destroy their own state than the Arab nations ever could.

Except, it wouldn't. There would be no occupation, because at this point only a western power could take out Israel. And Israel has nukes, and no one would risk that. Instead, people would likely cut off all trade with Israel and Israel would have 1 of 3 options. Cede to International Pressure or become an Internation pariah. There is a third option on the table as well. Cozy up to China and offer them everything military they could want. That would likely see the end of all the good grace Israel has in America however.

I'm personally hoping that this post is taken as basically a statement of intent and is enough to end all of the good grace Israel has in America.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Except, it wouldn't. There would be no occupation, because at this point only a western power could take out Israel. And Israel has nukes, and no one would risk that. Instead, people would likely cut off all trade with Israel and Israel would have 1 of 3 options. Cede to International Pressure or become an Internation pariah. There is a third option on the table as well. Cozy up to China and offer them everything military they could want. That would likely see the end of all the good grace Israel has in America however.

I'm personally hoping that this post is taken as basically a statement of intent and is enough to end all of the good grace Israel has in American.

Er, what?

[Ralkovia]

I'm personally hoping that this post is taken as basically a statement of intent and is enough to end all of the good grace Israel has in American.

Er, what?

Basically, Sous wants Israel to die off as quick as possible and would like my analysis to be taken seriously by Washington. I agree to the latter part, the World would be amazing if it was run under an America whose foreign policy was dominated by me. First of all, Sweden would be our first target.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Er, what?

Basically, Sous wants Israel to die off as quick as possible and would like my analysis to be taken seriously by Washington.

Oh, I see.

I agree to the latter part, the World would be amazing if it was run under an America whose foreign policy was dominated by me. First of all, Sweden would be our first target.

Well, the field's wide open for the next presidential go-round, so feel free.

[Ralkovia]

Basically, Sous wants Israel to die off as quick as possible and would like my analysis to be taken seriously by Washington.

Oh, I see.

I agree to the latter part, the World would be amazing if it was run under an America whose foreign policy was dominated by me. First of all, Sweden would be our first target.

Well, the field's wide open for the next presidential go-round, so feel free.

Can't. Not enough funding.

[Spiritwolf]

Egypt, Yemen, Algeria, Tunisia, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Libya kicked them out.

There is substantial evidence that the Mossad planted bombs in the Jewish community of Baghdad in order to provide an extra push-factor to get the Jews to leave. Let's not forget that at this time, Israel was desperate for warm Jewish bodies to fill the newly acquired real estate.

Jews do not kill Jews.

[Velthannen]

There is substantial evidence that the Mossad planted bombs in the Jewish community of Baghdad in order to provide an extra push-factor to get the Jews to leave. Let's not forget that at this time, Israel was desperate for warm Jewish bodies to fill the newly acquired real estate.

Jews do not kill Jews.

Ape shall never kill ape.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing#Explosion_and_aftermath

91 people were killed, most of them being staff of the hotel or Secretariat: 21 were first-rank government officials; 49 were second-rank clerks, typists and messengers, junior members of the Secretariat, employees of the hotel and canteen workers; 13 were soldiers; 3 policemen; and 5 were members of the public. By nationality, there were 41 Arabs, 28 British citizens, 17 Palestinian Jews, 2 Armenians, 1 Russian, 1 Greek and 1 Egyptian. 46 people were injured.[4][5] Some of the deaths and injuries occurred in the road outside the hotel and in adjacent buildings. No identifiable traces were found of thirteen of those killed.[4] One of the dead was Yulius Jacobs, an Irgun sympathizer.[13]

emphasis mine

[Spiritwolf]

That would cause a serious demographic threat?
It seems like you always try to find a way to make us a minority?
Yes, we want to annex Judea and Samaria and the Gaza strip, but only after we move them out!

You don't seem to get it, do you. Let me explain lowly
That. Will. Never. Happen.
If Israel tried to expel the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank, it would become a pariah state on the scale of North Korea. Not even the United States would support it after that. There may even be a call for regime change, and the establishment of a one-state solution, after a brief international occupation. In effect the hubris and overconfidence of the right wing expansionists would do more to destroy their own state than the Arab nations ever could.

. Terrorists fire rocket artillery into Israel........ Israel in turn invades terrorists territory, kills them all, and then annexes said territory. Do you really think the world is going to intervene on behalf of terrorists? There is no power on earth that can militarily crush Israel. Looks to me like the terrorists are fucked.

[Neu California]

You don't seem to get it, do you. Let me explain lowly
That. Will. Never. Happen.
If Israel tried to expel the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank, it would become a pariah state on the scale of North Korea. Not even the United States would support it after that. There may even be a call for regime change, and the establishment of a one-state solution, after a brief international occupation. In effect the hubris and overconfidence of the right wing expansionists would do more to destroy their own state than the Arab nations ever could.

. Terrorists fire rocket artillery into Israel........ Israel in turn invades terrorists territory, kills them all, and then annexes said territory. Do you really think the world is going to intervene on behalf of terrorists? There is no power on earth that can militarily crush Israel. Looks to me like the terrorists are fucked.

Because all Palestinians a re terrorists...

And, regardless, slaughtering an entire populations (which is what it sounds like you're proposing) generally puts your international reputation in the toilet, and I do believe that Europe and America teaming up could beat Israel quite easily.

[Velthannen]

You don't seem to get it, do you. Let me explain lowly
That. Will. Never. Happen.
If Israel tried to expel the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank, it would become a pariah state on the scale of North Korea. Not even the United States would support it after that. There may even be a call for regime change, and the establishment of a one-state solution, after a brief international occupation. In effect the hubris and overconfidence of the right wing expansionists would do more to destroy their own state than the Arab nations ever could.

. Terrorists fire rocket artillery into Israel........ Israel in turn invades terrorists territory, kills them all, and then annexes said territory. Do you really think the world is going to intervene on behalf of terrorists? There is no power on earth that can militarily crush Israel. Looks to me like the terrorists are fucked.

Are you insinuating that all palestinians are terrorists? Yes, the world would conemn Israel if they conducted a "final solution" with regards to the palestinians. Not even the United States (a country which could kick Israel's ass, nukes or no nukes) would support Israel after that.

[Spiritwolf]

Everyone seems to forget that all the "Arab Nations" are hostile, racist countries that heavily persecute minorities.

Source this bullshit right now.

I can give you better than that Yorkopolis. I'll even pay for the plane ticket for you. All you gotta do is get on the plane and fly into any of those arab countries and then step off the plane wearing a yarmulke and a white T-shirt with a huge flag of Israel on the front of it and a huge flag of the United States on the back of it. IF you survive it I'll have to eat crow and shut up about the arabs/palestinians. Deal?