The Mod-Sanctioned Israel/Palestine thread

[Calimera II]

This made me sick.

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Why? The man is responsible for numerous massacres of Palestinians; he probably singlehandedly created the modern situation. Of course they hate him.

Celebrating someones death is disgusting. And btw,he isn't responsible for any of those massacres. It were the Libanese Extremist Christian groups who did it (because the muslim massacred thousands of christians).

[Nervium]

You know that there's this prophecy that says the Christ will return when Ariel Sharon dies.

Well, better christian up our acts, won't we?

[Calimera II]

A great Israeli died. He dedicated his life for the Israelian state. He made mistakes, but defended the Israeli people who otherwise would have been massacred.

And even Palestinians should have some sort of respect for him since he gave the Gaza to them and he had plans to give the west bank to them too. But unfortunately he went into coma so he could never make his second plan come true.

RIP Sharon.

[Temujinn]

You know that there's this prophecy that says the Christ will return when Ariel Sharon dies.

Didn't that rabbi dude say the "messiah" would come as soon as Sharon dies?

#spooky

I'm not the only one apparently who knows that.

You mean some nut bag said it.

I say when NSG is consistently intelligent and civil humanity will reach its apex and plateau achieving world peace, feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, bringing an end to disease and finally conquering death itself.

So, never.

[United Marxist Nations]

Why? The man is responsible for numerous massacres of Palestinians; he probably singlehandedly created the modern situation. Of course they hate him.

1) Celebrating someones death is disgusting. 2) And btw,he isn't responsible for any of those massacres. It were the Libanese Extremist Christian groups who did it (because the muslim massacred thousands of christians).

1) Not when that person has caused your people extreme misery. He drove the Palestinians off of their land, and was always in favor of the forced eviction of all Arabs from Palestine.

2) Wrong on all counts; Sharon had his troops provide logistical support for the Lebanese militia, block the exits for the refugees, and even said what amounts to "the Palestinians were asking for it". Also, the murder that sparked it was also committed by another Christian group. Face it, the man was a mass-murderer:

During the 1982 Lebanon War, while Sharon was Defense Minister, the Sabra and Shatila massacre occurred between 16 September and 18. Between 800 and 3,500 Palestinian civilians in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps were killed by the Phalanges—Lebanese Maronite Christian militias. The Security Chief of the Phalange militia, Elie Hobeika, was the ground commander of the militiamen who entered the Palestinian camps and killed the Palestinians. The Phalange had been sent into the camps to clear out PLO fighters[b] while Israeli forces surrounded the camps, blocking camp exits and providing logistical support.[/b] The killings led some to label Sharon "the Butcher of Beirut".[29]
An Associated Press report on 15 September 1982 stated, "Defence Minister Ariel Sharon, in a statement, tied the killing [of the Phalangist leader Bachir Gemayel] to the PLO, saying 'it symbolises the terrorist murderousness of the PLO terrorist organisations and their supporters'."[30] Habib Chartouni, a Lebanese Christian from the Syrian Socialist National Party confessed to the murder of Gemayel, and no Palestinians were involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Shar ... a_massacre

EDIT: Also, an Israeli government commission also said that he bore responsibility for the massacre.

[DogDoo 7]

Why? The man is responsible for numerous massacres of Palestinians; he probably singlehandedly created the modern situation. Of course they hate him.

Celebrating someones death is disgusting. And btw,he isn't responsible for any of those massacres. It were the Libanese Extremist Christian groups who did it (because the muslim massacred thousands of christians).

The Israeli Government says Ariel Sharon bears personal responsibility for the massacre.

And he definitely was responsible for Qibya, ordering his troops to achieve 'maximal damage and killing.'

[Calimera II]

Celebrating someones death is disgusting. And btw,he isn't responsible for any of those massacres. It were the Libanese Extremist Christian groups who did it (because the muslim massacred thousands of christians).

The Israeli Government says Ariel Sharon bears personal responsibility for the massacre.

And he definitely was responsible for Qibya, ordering his troops to achieve 'maximal damage and killing.'

He didn't do it.

[Temujinn]

Despite his many crimes and transgressions, he was a human just as flawed as we all are. I hope a measure of mercy will be given to him where he's going if he deserves it.

To God we belong and to Him shall we return.

Uh... I guess the Powerpoint animation I made of Ariel Sharon appearing from the toilet bowl when I was seven would not be in good taste at a time like this.

By the way, in Islamic teachings a man is punished first in the world, then on his deathbed, then in the grave, then on the Day of Judgment (in its many stages), then in their designated premises. The illusion of time and passage therewith can be manipulated as is seen fit, especially in regards to the punishment of the deathbed, so the blink of an eye may feel like eons, every breath is like a millennium, etc.

Consider the fact that he's been on his deathbed for at least eight years. Oh, every precious second...

Since you're not biased, can you ask Kingdom of Israel if he could show respect to Palestinians.

I mean, a deal works both ways.

To quote his signature "Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Revisionist Zionism, Greater Israel, Population transfer of the Arabs" its a formula that should ring a few bells, and it never involves respecting the untermensch. Im surprised he doesnt have listed "reeducation camps" in his listed selection of positions.

[United Marxist Nations]

The Israeli Government says Ariel Sharon bears personal responsibility for the massacre.

And he definitely was responsible for Qibya, ordering his troops to achieve 'maximal damage and killing.'

He didn't do it.

He knew that it would happen, deliberately allowed it to happen, had the chance to stop it, and prevented camp residents from escaping once it had started.

[Calimera II]

He didn't do it.

He knew that it would happen, deliberately allowed it to happen, had the chance to stop it, and prevented camp residents from escaping once it had started.

If you put it that way..

Yup he made a horrible mistake, but he did more good than wrong and during war horrible things happen. Just look how many Arrafat killed.

[Sedikal]

RIP Sharon even though I greatly disagree with much of his politics and action. I hold him accountable for the war in Lebanon in the 80's and the current conflict as it stands today. I mean Israeli court held him accountable for the Sabra and Shatila massacre.

well, the evilest israeli of all time finally died. may his name, memory, and actions be obliterated from this world and may his family only find solace in the knowlege that this monster now ceases to exist.

note, i'm not saying he's evil because he massacred people (lots of people practiced excessive killing here). he's evil because he, more than anyone else, has designed the current status quo. from the 'finger-like' structure of many settlements, increasing the linear distance of the interface (and thus the amount of required active oppression), to the initiation of the cynical use of ottoman land law for the purposes of confiscation by the state from non-jews to bequeath to jews, to lighting the 2nd intifada, to associating settlement evacuation with brutality in the minds of the israeli mainstream (in both yamit and gush katif), and finally for deliberately and premeditatedly installing hamas in the gaza strip, dividing palestine and preventing any agreement.

That's low, even for you.
Show some fucking respect.

I'm sure you would say something similar if Mahmoud al-Zahar or someone of similar status were to die.

[United Marxist Nations]

He knew that it would happen, deliberately allowed it to happen, had the chance to stop it, and prevented camp residents from escaping once it had started.

If you put it that way..

Yup he made a horrible mistake, but he did more good than wrong and during war horrible things happen. Just look how many Arrafat killed.

Sharon is pretty much directly responsible for the present situation; he led the Israeli invasion (an illegitimate action).

And it wasn't a mistake, he wanted it to happen, he purposefully collaborated with the group committing the massacre. It was calculated.

[Texan Commies]

To hell with him. The guy was a war criminal. The Lebanon situation would have ended the career of most politicians in other countries. His name should spoken in the same breath as George W. Bush, Tony Blair and Henry Kissinger.

[Temujinn]

Really let it go. They are glad he did these things, and only feign that he is not responsible because in truth they do not view them as wrong doings at all.
You might as well be yelling at the firing squad that the judge sentenced someone to death.

[United Marxist Nations]

To hell with him. The guy was a war criminal. The Lebanon situation would have ended the career of most politicians in other countries. His name should spoken in the same breath as George W. Bush, Tony Blair and Henry Kissinger.

I would add Saddam Hussein to that list.

[Calimera II]

If you put it that way..

Yup he made a horrible mistake, but he did more good than wrong and during war horrible things happen. Just look how many Arrafat killed.

Sharon is pretty much directly responsible for the present situation; he led the Israeli invasion (an illegitimate action).

And it wasn't a mistake, he wanted it to happen, he purposefully collaborated with the group committing the massacre. It was calculated.

Sharon also gave the Gaza back and had plans to give the West Bank back. (But unfortunately he went into a coma). He asked for peace but didn't get it and he negotiated for a long term solution but the palestinian leaders would say no because they deny every solution unless it states that israel should be destroyed.

[DogDoo 7]

He knew that it would happen, deliberately allowed it to happen, had the chance to stop it, and prevented camp residents from escaping once it had started.

If you put it that way..
Just look how many Arrafat killed.

less than sharon...

[United Marxist Nations]

Sharon is pretty much directly responsible for the present situation; he led the Israeli invasion (an illegitimate action).

And it wasn't a mistake, he wanted it to happen, he purposefully collaborated with the group committing the massacre. It was calculated.

Sharon also gave the Gaza back and had plans to give the West Bank back. (But unfortunately he went into a coma). He asked for peace but didn't get it and he negotiated for a long term solution but the palestinian leaders would say no because they deny every solution unless it states that israel should be destroyed.

It's a pretty asshole thing to do to ask for peace in a war that you started.

Israel started the war, any rational person agrees on that. The Palestinians don't want Israel destroyed, they just want to be able to live in the land that they have lived in for centuries.

[DogDoo 7]

RIP Sharon even though I greatly disagree with much of his politics and action. I hold him accountable for the war in Lebanon in the 80's and the current conflict as it stands today. I mean Israeli court held him accountable for the Sabra and Shatila massacre.

That's low, even for you.
Show some fucking respect.

I'm sure you would say something similar if Mahmoud al-Zahar or someone of similar status were to die.

again, it's not about status. Mahmoud al-Zahar has simply not had the influence on the situation in the way that Sharon has. I'm not going to go around cursing every butcher in this conflict (because frankly, there are far too many). My hate is reserved for people who design stable evil, not the ones who commit destabilizing evil (i.e. bombings/shootings).

[Texan Commies]

To hell with him. The guy was a war criminal. The Lebanon situation would have ended the career of most politicians in other countries. His name should spoken in the same breath as George W. Bush, Tony Blair and Henry Kissinger.

I would add Saddam Hussein to that list.

Saddam was a dictator. The others carried out their wickedness wearing the mantle of democracy.

[DogDoo 7]

Sharon also gave the Gaza back and had plans to give the West Bank back. (But unfortunately he went into a coma). He asked for peace but didn't get it and he negotiated for a long term solution but the palestinian leaders would say no because they deny every solution unless it states that israel should be destroyed.

The Palestinians don't want Israel destroyed, they just want to be able to live in the land that they have lived in for centuries.

I think recent polls have about 75% of Palestinians agreeing with this, with the remainder evenly split between 'Arab Zionism' and 'Expel the Jews.'

[Calimera II]

RIP Sharon even though I greatly disagree with much of his politics and action. I hold him accountable for the war in Lebanon in the 80's and the current conflict as it stands today. I mean Israeli court held him accountable for the Sabra and Shatila massacre.



I'm sure you would say something similar if Mahmoud al-Zahar or someone of similar status were to die.

again, it's not about status. Mahmoud al-Zahar has simply not had the influence on the situation in the way that Sharon has. I'm not going to go around cursing every butcher in this conflict (because frankly, there are far too many). My hate is reserved for people who design stable evil, not the ones who commit destabilizing evil (i.e. bombings/shootings).

You hate everything that is pro-israel, your opinions are biased and you just tend to believe everything that is against Israel and in favor of corrupt palestinian leaders.

I am not taking you serious.

[Sedikal]

RIP Sharon even though I greatly disagree with much of his politics and action. I hold him accountable for the war in Lebanon in the 80's and the current conflict as it stands today. I mean Israeli court held him accountable for the Sabra and Shatila massacre.



I'm sure you would say something similar if Mahmoud al-Zahar or someone of similar status were to die.

again, it's not about status. Mahmoud al-Zahar has simply not had the influence on the situation in the way that Sharon has. I'm not going to go around cursing every butcher in this conflict (because frankly, there are far too many). My hate is reserved for people who design stable evil, not the ones who commit destabilizing evil (i.e. bombings/shootings).

So should I say someone of similar standing Sharon? And I understand completely I was just trying that in a similar situation that he would say the same thing as you had.

[DogDoo 7]

anyway, Sharon has a separate thread.

Moving on, yet more evidence surfaces to show that the IDF is merely protection for criminal gangs

[Agritum]

anyway, Sharon has a separate thread.

Moving on, yet more evidence surfaces to show that the IDF is merely protection for criminal gangs

Awful.

Also, any idea on what the guy in the comments is saying? Can't even recognise the language.