The Mod-Sanctioned Israel/Palestine thread

[Kingdom of Israel]

Seeing how the left hates him, in that case he must had been a great leader.

Ridiculous thing to say. I am as right-wing as you can get, but I still hate him. Imagine how pissed you'd be if some cockroach broke into your house, told you that this land was not yours, and killed your family?

I mean, let's look the man up methodically and without biases. In 1948, Sharon joined the Haganah, a militant zionist organisation that led military actions ( often resulting in the death of civilians ) against arabs, and the british military. The Haganah was feared for its brutality.

In 1953, he entered unit 101, as a major. He participated in operation Shoshana: its objective was to "cleanse" Qibya, a small palestinian village, from its armed militants. But the raid resulted in the death of 69 palestinian civilians. Some were shot, others were forced to stay within their houses while they were destroyed upon them.

Sharon was also found indirectly responsible, by Israeli authorities, of the Sabra and Chatila massacre. He resigned, but came back in Politics. He stopped negociations with Arafat, and started building the well known anti-terror wall. He consistently supported further colonisation of inhabited palestinian territories.

This, is who Ariel Sharon was. There is no logical reason to mourn such a man.

Then you must REALLY hate Arabs huh?

By the way, that's threadjacking, there's a thread about the conflict and it isn't here.

[Evil the Great]

:(

He saved the biggest and best democracy in the middle east and the only Jewish state in the world. He deserves our respect.

LOL.
Not even as a joke.

Oh man, you are so justified in your laughter. A colonialist and militaristic democracy. That sounds cool, right? And I don't see how Israel being a Jewish state is relevant. Is being jewish a license to kill and deport innocents? I don't think so.

The United Arab Emirates is the best country in the middle east. It has to do some progress on several issues, but it is certainly far better than Israel.

[Leningrad Union]

Seeing how the left hates him, in that case he must had been a great leader.

Ridiculous thing to say. I am as right-wing as you can get, but I still hate him. Imagine how pissed you'd be if some cockroach broke into your house, told you that this land was not yours, and killed your family?

I mean, let's look the man up methodically and without biases. In 1948, Sharon joined the Haganah, a militant zionist organisation that led military actions ( often resulting in the death of civilians ) against arabs, and the british military. The Haganah was feared for its brutality.

In 1953, he entered unit 101, as a major. He participated in operation Shoshana: its objective was to "cleanse" Qibya, a small palestinian village, from its armed militants. But the raid resulted in the death of 69 palestinian civilians. Some were shot, others were forced to stay within their houses while they were destroyed upon them.

Sharon was also found indirectly responsible, by Israeli authorities, of the Sabra and Chatila massacre. He resigned, but came back in Politics. He stopped negociations with Arafat, and started building the well known anti-terror wall. He consistently supported further colonisation of inhabited palestinian territories.

This, is who Ariel Sharon was. There is no logical reason to mourn such a man.

LOL U SAID 69 HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

[Temujinn]

Huehuehue.

Hating Sharon, doesnt mean i hate the State of Israel.

Nice try though.

However being anti-Zionist, is hardly a label I would rebuke, I would wear it as proudly as being Anti-Nazi.

Alluding to racism only works if one is simpleminded enough to believe in the false concept of Race, I see one of us is... and it isnt me. Additionally, that you would leap to Race, when Jewish is a religion. I mean, really. Are you a Souf Afrikan Jew or something?

I openly attack your Race, proudly attack it, assault it, insult, spit upon its ideas and concepts... this of course assumes you are Human, only race of people I am aware of. I am sure someone like you however definitely breaks down the world into little slots where you may categorize groups for impersonal persecution based things like religion or genetic phenotype.

[Mad Jack]

May the Butcher of Beirut be restless in peace.

[Estado Paulista]

Ridiculous thing to say. I am as right-wing as you can get, but I still hate him. Imagine how pissed you'd be if some cockroach broke into your house, told you that this land was not yours, and killed your family?

I mean, let's look the man up methodically and without biases. In 1948, Sharon joined the Haganah, a militant zionist organisation that led military actions ( often resulting in the death of civilians ) against arabs, and the british military. The Haganah was feared for its brutality.

In 1953, he entered unit 101, as a major. He participated in operation Shoshana: its objective was to "cleanse" Qibya, a small palestinian village, from its armed militants. But the raid resulted in the death of 69 palestinian civilians. Some were shot, others were forced to stay within their houses while they were destroyed upon them.

Sharon was also found indirectly responsible, by Israeli authorities, of the Sabra and Chatila massacre. He resigned, but came back in Politics. He stopped negociations with Arafat, and started building the well known anti-terror wall. He consistently supported further colonisation of inhabited palestinian territories.

This, is who Ariel Sharon was. There is no logical reason to mourn such a man.

LOL U SAID 69 HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Wow, you do have a point. Thanks for your contribution to the thread.

[Evil the Great]

Then you must REALLY hate Arabs huh?

Are you implying that the arabs were the agressors? The colonizers? No. Jews were already living in Palestine, during the early 20th century, without problems. Then they went full zionist and fucked everything up. That's barbaric.

By the way, that's threadjacking, there's a thread about the conflict and it isn't here.

if you participate in a thread about a former israeli MP and military commander, you know that the discussion will be all about the conflict.

[Farnhamia]

Locked while I look over the first three pages. We are not amused.

The world is now a better place. Also, keeping someone artificially alive that long is stupid.

Completely unnecessary. *** Warned for trolling. ***

good riddance!

אריאל "אריק" שרון ז"ל
May he rest in peace.

I remember him for saving Israel in 1973, and even though I disagree with his ideology when he was Prime-Minister, it is still a very sad thing he died.

its a good day! Rejoice!

*** 3-day ban for trolling. ***

Huh.
Piss on that Butcher, terrorist, tyrant, murderous monster.

Good Day, Rejoice! Good Motherfucking riddance of that bastard butcher.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

Ridiculous thing to say. I am as right-wing as you can get, but I still hate him. Imagine how pissed you'd be if some cockroach broke into your house, told you that this land was not yours, and killed your family?

I mean, let's look the man up methodically and without biases. In 1948, Sharon joined the Haganah, a militant zionist organisation that led military actions ( often resulting in the death of civilians ) against arabs, and the british military. The Haganah was feared for its brutality.

In 1953, he entered unit 101, as a major. He participated in operation Shoshana: its objective was to "cleanse" Qibya, a small palestinian village, from its armed militants. But the raid resulted in the death of 69 palestinian civilians. Some were shot, others were forced to stay within their houses while they were destroyed upon them.

Sharon was also found indirectly responsible, by Israeli authorities, of the Sabra and Chatila massacre. He resigned, but came back in Politics. He stopped negociations with Arafat, and started building the well known anti-terror wall. He consistently supported further colonisation of inhabited palestinian territories.

This, is who Ariel Sharon was. There is no logical reason to mourn such a man.

LOL U SAID 69 HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

*** Warned for spamming. *** You are on extremely thin ice, my friend.

Now then: Continued behavior such as we see above will be dealt with harshly. Gloating over a person's death is trolling: don't do it. If you can think of nothing else to say about Ariel Sharon than statements similar to the ones above, please keep it to yourself. Pointing out actions with which you disagree or which you condemn is not necessarily actionable. There is a single thread in Moderation for dealing with reports about this thread: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=279056. Use it. Any threads opened there will be locked.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Are you implying that the arabs were the agressors? The colonizers?

Yes.

[Kyuji]

The man is dead and given how I feel about him , I think it would be wise to leave it at that.

[Evil the Great]

Locked while I look over the first three pages. We are not amused.

The world is now a better place. Also, keeping someone artificially alive that long is stupid.

Completely unnecessary. *** Warned for trolling. ***

Completely necessary. I was not gloating. I said the world was a better place.

I posted this as evidence of the man being a war criminal:

Ridiculous thing to say. I am as right-wing as you can get, but I still hate him. Imagine how pissed you'd be if some cockroach broke into your house, told you that this land was not yours, and killed your family?

I mean, let's look the man up methodically and without biases. In 1948, Sharon joined the Haganah, a militant zionist organisation that led military actions ( often resulting in the death of civilians ) against arabs, and the british military. The Haganah was feared for its brutality.

In 1953, he entered unit 101, as a major. He participated in operation Shoshana: its objective was to "cleanse" Qibya, a small palestinian village, from its armed militants. But the raid resulted in the death of 69 palestinian civilians. Some were shot, others were forced to stay within their houses while they were destroyed upon them.

Sharon was also found indirectly responsible, by Israeli authorities, of the Sabra and Chatila massacre. He resigned, but came back in Politics. He stopped negociations with Arafat, and started building the well known anti-terror wall. He consistently supported further colonisation of inhabited palestinian territories.

Now, how is that trolling? I stated facts, and did not limit my intervention to the above small sentence.

[Benuty]

Are you implying that the arabs were the agressors? The colonizers?

Yes.

What era of Arabs exactly?

[Evil the Great]

Yes.

Are you going to hilariously take the debate back to the stone age?

[Benuty]

Yes.

Are you going to hilariously take the debate back to the stone age?

I wasn't aware the 600's were pre-bronze age use.

[Elke and Elba]

RIP Ariel Sharon.

As someone who has avid interest in Israel's history, I am quite amazed Ariel Sharon has been quite influential over Israeli politics and military for quite a long time. He was there as part of the military since the Israeli War of Independence in 1948, Suez Crisis in 1956, 1967's Six-Day War and 1973's Yom Kippur War, amongst others. Given that he was already a general by the time of the Yom Kippur War - so much so known that I believe then PM Golda Meir did mention him in her autobiography.

However, what I find him most applaudable is that he was able to keep his hand on things very well. He withdrew people from Gaza when he felt was needed. He ensured that Israel remained favourable in the world's view. This is in contrast with the current situation, where Netanhayu is getting rather ignored about his opinion over Iran, and over the Palestinian issue. I am in awe of Sharon for that.

He is a controversial figure, and I do understand that. But that is my opinion, and sometimes we need to look at a person's achievement rather than focus on what is bad.

After all, you do not gloat over a person's death, no? Death is not something to be rejoice over, even if you must not mourn. And I believe this to be true, not only for great people like Mother Teresa or Mandela; but it applies equally for controversial people like Ariel Sharon, and downright terrorists such as Osama bin Laden.

[Evil the Great]

Are you going to hilariously take the debate back to the stone age?

I wasn't aware the 600's were pre-bronze age use.

I was being overly dramatic. But that's still a very lame thing to do.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Yes.

Are you going to hilariously take the debate back to the stone age?

If you want to discuss the conflict go to the conflict thread, this thread is specifically about Ariel "Arik" Sharon.

[Risottia]

Now, how is that trolling? I stated facts,

Trolling isn't about true or false statements. Trolling is about making statements (be they true or false or even nonsensical) that are sure to provoke anger in other posters.
Such as marking that one's happy that a person died, in a thread about that person's recent death.

This was from "Trolling for dummies", 2014 edition (42.9 ghell, 160 pages, paperback, available in all Risottian bookshops).

Take a peep at the rules for the official definition.

Also, the place for an eventual appeal against a Mod's ruling is Moderation.

[Nazis in Space]

I see the hilariously cherrypicked enforcement of no gloating is still in place. Excellent.

What makes him controversial?

Being responsible for the refugee massacres in Lebanon that caused the formation of Hezbollah, being a staunch supporter of Israel's Lebensraum acquisition program previous to becoming PM, and then doing a 180° turn after becoming PM and trying to shut down the same via a complete stop of settlement construction and unilateral retreat behind the 1973 borders. A process that was eventually stopped by him becoming a vegetable.

He's simultaneously one of the major exponents of Israel's post-1970s policy of aggression and colonisation, and the last man to seriously try to get actual peace done. As a consequence, he's hated by essentially everyone.

He was a monster, but admittedly, he was a monster with learning capacity, which is more than can be said for the administrations following his.

[Temujinn]

Edited my first post for more civilized and moderation friendly response to the OP question.

[Temujinn]

Now, how is that trolling? I stated facts,

Trolling isn't about true or false statements. Trolling is about making statements (be they true or false or even nonsensical) that are sure to provoke anger in other posters.
Such as marking that one's happy that a person died, in a thread about that person's recent death.

This was from "Trolling for dummies", 2014 edition (42.9 ghell, 160 pages, paperback, available in all Risottian bookshops).

Take a peep at the rules for the official definition.

Also, the place for an eventual appeal against a Mod's ruling is Moderation.

So then calling people stupid for having a religion would be trolling yes?
Or rather saying you think they are stupid for having a religion, since it only matters if the post will make other posters angry... by that definition every post on these forums is trolling.

[Pope Joan]

Journalist Barry Chamish says Sharon was assassinated, and I think there are many unanswered questions surrounding his stroke.

"By Barry Chamish
1-12-6


On December 18, Ariel Sharon and Shimon Peres raised wineglasses together in the Knesset. Half an hour later, Sharon suffered a stroke. He was brought into hospital by Yoram Rubin, the bodyguard who murdered Yitzhak Rabin. On Jan. 4, Sharon returned to hospital with a massive cerebral hemorrhage and within a few hours I published my suspicions that Sharon was the victim of a second assassination attempt by the same Peres/Rubin team which had finished off Yitzhak Rabin. "

He cites among much other press reaction the following questions from Ha Aretz:

"Several questions have been asked this week regarding the standard of treatment Sharon has received: How much time elapsed from the moment Sharon told his son, Gilad, he wasn't feeling well to the arrival of his personal doctor at Sycamore Ranch? Why wasn't there a doctor at his side since the first stroke, especially on the eve of the catheterization? Why wasn't Sharon taken to the hospital by helicopter? Why was he taken to the distant hospital in Jerusalem, rather than to Be'er Sheva's Soroka Medical Center? To what extent did the treatment Sharon received after the first episode account for the hemorrhaging?"
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/667192.html
Last update - 11:42 06/01/2006

Within mere hours after Sharon leaving the Likud party.

[United Marxist Nations]

I would liken him to a terrorist against he Palestinian people, so I can't say I'm sad that he's gone.

[DogDoo 7]

well, the evilest israeli of all time finally died. may his name, memory, and actions be obliterated from this world and may his family only find solace in the knowlege that this monster now ceases to exist.

note, i'm not saying he's evil because he massacred people (lots of people practiced excessive killing here). he's evil because he, more than anyone else, has designed the current status quo. from the 'finger-like' structure of many settlements, increasing the linear distance of the interface (and thus the amount of required active oppression), to the initiation of the cynical use of ottoman land law for the purposes of confiscation by the state from non-jews to bequeath to jews, to lighting the 2nd intifada, to associating settlement evacuation with brutality in the minds of the israeli mainstream (in both yamit and gush katif), and finally for deliberately and premeditatedly installing hamas in the gaza strip, dividing palestine and preventing any agreement.

[Nysland]

well, the evilest israeli of all time finally died. may his name, memory, and actions be obliterated from this world and may his family only find solace in the knowlege that this monster now ceases to exist.

note, i'm not saying he's evil because he massacred people (lots of people practiced excessive killing here). he's evil because he, more than anyone else, has designed the current status quo. from the 'finger-like' structure of many settlements, increasing the linear distance of the interface (and thus the amount of required active oppression), to the initiation of the cynical use of ottoman land law for the purposes of confiscation by the state from non-jews to bequeath to jews, to lighting the 2nd intifada, to associating settlement evacuation with brutality in the minds of the israeli mainstream (in both yamit and gush katif), and finally for deliberately and premeditatedly installing hamas in the gaza strip, dividing palestine and preventing any agreement.

Oy, no matter how much of a dick you claim he was, at least have respect for the dead.