The Mod-Sanctioned Israel/Palestine thread

[Harkback Union]

Did you read the part where they torture and mass murder civilians to get the madman who exploits them to let go of the jews?
Or the part where they conquer the other natives of canaan to make room for the jews?
No?
I did.

Oh my God... Not one of THOSE people...
Compared to other Near-Eastern Iron-Age civilizations this is absolutely nothing, in fact, it is the most moral book of it's time.

And the fact you call them "Jews" means you haven't really read it, we weren't called Jews until the 8th-7th century BC, until then we were called "Bnei Yisrael" - Children of Israel (Israelites in English).

Anyway this is a threadjack- if you want- make a thread about the Bible.

Under jews, I was refering to people believing in the old testament.
You started talking about beliefs, not me.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Oh my God... Not one of THOSE people...
Compared to other Near-Eastern Iron-Age civilizations this is absolutely nothing, in fact, it is the most moral book of it's time.

And the fact you call them "Jews" means you haven't really read it, we weren't called Jews until the 8th-7th century BC, until then we were called "Bnei Yisrael" - Children of Israel (Israelites in English).

Anyway this is a threadjack- if you want- make a thread about the Bible.

Under jews, I was refering to people believing in the old testament.
You started talking about beliefs, not me.

No, you did

Jews have imperialist beliefs aswell, read the old testament.

Never mind, I got some quotes for you:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/7.html#2

But they have Imperialist beliefs, even the Arab-Israeli party Balad says it out-loud.
They want to recreate their "Golden Age" which is the Caliphate...

Jews have imperialist beliefs aswell, read the old testament.

[Harkback Union]

No.
But the bible says god did.

And only God has the right to end the life of his creations.

So why are you blaming this on the Jews?

When did I blamed the jews?
I blamed nobody for nothing. I asked some questions, that's all.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

This has been mildly amusing. Heading off for tonight. Good morning!

[Harkback Union]

Arabs aren't an empire, they are an ethnic group.

But they have Imperialist beliefs, even the Arab-Israeli party Balad says it out-loud.
They want to recreate their "Golden Age" which is the Caliphate...

Nope, You were first.

[Kingdom of Israel]

But they have Imperialist beliefs, even the Arab-Israeli party Balad says it out-loud.
They want to recreate their "Golden Age" which is the Caliphate...

Nope, You were first.

Dude, you were the first talking about the Bible....
I just quoted it.

[Harkback Union]

Nope, You were first.

Dude, you were the first talking about the Bible....
I just quoted it.

You were the first talking about beliefs.

[Caraani]

*cough Belgium cough*

What a nation decides to call an arbitrary piece of land constrained by man-made lines is their business. Just as the Flems and Walloons call their piece of land Belgium in honour of Gallia Belgica, so too could the inhabitants of this piece of land call it Palestine in honour of the Peleset of old.

Though it means jack squat.

EDIT: Likewise, the 'United States of America' never existed before 1776.

Ummmm.... no the natives call this place Israel, only the Arab immigrants and ignorants all around the world call it Palestine.

Sorry I just wrote a big thing to explain what the true natives call it, but I just understood that you aren't worthy of truth, people, just ignore this madman.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Ummmm.... no the natives call this place Israel, only the Arab immigrants and ignorants all around the world call it Palestine.

Sorry I just wrote a big thing to explain what the true natives call it, but I just understood that you aren't worthy of truth, people, just ignore this madman.

Yeah yeah keep your ignorance and flaming-nature out of this thread, it seems as you have absolutely no idea about anything in the conflict calling a much more acknowledged person than you (At least in this subject) "madman" because you have no real argument.

[Harkback Union]

Sorry I just wrote a big thing to explain what the true natives call it, but I just understood that you aren't worthy of truth, people, just ignore this madman.

Yeah yeah keep your ignorance and flaming-nature out of this thread, it seems as you have absolutely no idea about anything in the conflict calling a much more acknowledged person than you (At least in this subject) "madman" because you have no real argument.

So you admit talking about beliefs first?
Also, I think whats in the bible is very relevant here, with Israel being a fundamentalist state.

[Leningrad Union]

I do. Especially Vazdania.

But see what Italian people have done! Just watch jersey shore!

Speaking of which, should they be permitted to return to Italy?

Sure! But I wasn't serious about Italians. They have funny accents, make hand gestures and cook good food. So I'm cool with them.

[Leningrad Union]

Is this a site dedicated for Bible-hatred?

Its dedicated to Bible analysis.
I read just 20% of the bible, and I must say, It has more hatred and factionalism in it than Mein Kampf.

Totally! Those god damn kikes are the real racists!

[Harkback Union]

Its dedicated to Bible analysis.
I read just 20% of the bible, and I must say, It has more hatred and factionalism in it than Mein Kampf.

Totally! Those god damn kikes are the real racists!

No they weren't.

[Leningrad Union]

Totally! Those god damn kikes are the real racists!

No they weren't.

Why not?

[Harkback Union]

No they weren't.

Why not?

They didn't discriminate by race, They discriminate by ethnicity (and religion.)

[Nysland]

KOI, Imma get this straight. You believe that Jews (Israelites? Bnai Yisrael? etc.) were the first inhabitants of the land formerly known as Canaan. Their 'firstness' gave them full rights to said land, kind of like the kindergartener who takes something that isn't his and says 'Finders Keepers!' as if it was a law of the universe. After some time, the nation falls to political turmoil, and after some changing of hands, the land becomes inhabited with those cruel, eeeevil Arabs. Right? Those dastardly Brits, who have won ownership of the land that houses these Arabs (who now claim to be the first ones here and create a fake ethnicity of 'Palestinian'), basically fuck over the returning Jews. However, the brave Jews manage to push on through and win back the land that was 'theirs first'. And yet, with some trickery, the Arabs convince the government to (Gasp! God forbid!) actually live in the new Medinat Yisrael and own full citizenship rights, like the bastards they are.

I'll just assume that this is your view. Don't attack me for misuse of terminology, that's just unsportsmanly.

The problem with this view is two things (apart from some historical inaccuracies which we can ignore). The first problem is the assumption that every ethnicity (What qualifies as an ethnicity? Whatever you decide, of course) has a land of origin, and is entitled to that land and that land only. No sharing, no peaceful coexistence, no multiculturalism. One nation per one ethnicity, period. This view is flawed because there are multitudes of free and democratic nations that are home to thousands of seperate ethnicities that can mix, mingle, interbreed and absorp elements of one another. There's nothing wrong with that; this is normal and to be expected. And not every ethnicity has it's own land. Most ethnicities considered seperate actually stemmed from one place. Depending on the broadness of the term ethnicity, we might as well all move back to Ethiopia. The second problem is that you assume that Israelites were the native people of Canaan. How can you be so sure? In Canaan, many tribes coexisted (not always peacefully), only one or two of which could be considered Jewish ancestors, and there may have been many more before them. The first humans to cross what is now defined as the border between Egypt and Israel were just out of Africa and probably were not ancestors of Jews. And do non-humans count as natives? The animals should revolt against these invading hairless bipedal apes! Should they?

Or maybe we can just coexist and have anybody live anywhere with whomever. That's a better plan than poorly founded nationalist and arabophobic tendencies

[Ralkovia]

Or maybe we can just coexist and have anybody live anywhere with whomever. That's a better plan than poorly founded nationalist and arabophobic tendencies

It seems to be more islamophobic, than arabophobic. And for good reason too. You can ask the Christians of the Muslim World just how well they are treated. The Muslim nations seem to have a nice tendency across the entire World to persecute the fuck out of minorities in their respective area, regardless of the secularism of the government. In fact, we've seen the growth of several large and quite violent Muslim movements in Europe as well, people who emigrated to these countries and now want to replace it with their shit. It might be that People from Third World nations ruled by a terrible patriarchy and holding contempt for people who don't have penises or don't use their penises how they are supposed to don't integrate well in First World countries, but I'm going to go with some inherent flaw in Islam itself and the way it is taught.

Now then, let's move on. Israel doesn't want to be flooded with Third-Worlders. Especially, third-worlders with a long history of murdering Jews. You'd have to be mildly retarded to agree to put a gun to your head, because someone living nowhere close to the situation or with any knowledge of economics/history, thinks that it would be nice.

I might agree to a one state solution, if every single supporter of the one state solution strapped themselves to a Death Board. Every Jew killed/raped/robbed will result in the death of a portion of these one state solutioners. Now the liability is held equally among the people you'd force to face risk and yourself.

[Harkback Union]

Or maybe we can just coexist and have anybody live anywhere with whomever. That's a better plan than poorly founded nationalist and arabophobic tendencies

It seems to be more islamophobic, than arabophobic. And for good reason too. You can ask the Christians of the Muslim World just how well they are treated. The Muslim nations seem to have a nice tendency across the entire World to persecute the fuck out of minorities in their respective area, regardless of the secularism of the government. In fact, we've seen the growth of several large and quite violent Muslim movements in Europe as well, people who emigrated to these countries and now want to replace it with their shit. It might be that People from Third World nations ruled by a terrible patriarchy and holding contempt for people who don't have penises or don't use their penises how they are supposed to don't integrate well in First World countries, but I'm going to go with some inherent flaw in Islam itself and the way it is taught.

Now then, let's move on. Israel doesn't want to be flooded with Third-Worlders. Especially, third-worlders with a long history of murdering Jews. You'd have to be mildly retarded to agree to put a gun to your head, because someone living nowhere close to the situation or with any knowledge of economics/history, thinks that it would be nice.

I might agree to a one state solution, if every single supporter of the one state solution strapped themselves to a Death Board. Every Jew killed/raped/robbed will result in the death of a portion of these one state solutioners. Now the liability is held equally among the people you'd force to face risk and yourself.

Its Palestine which is being flooded by first worlders. Especially First worlders with a long history of murdering arabs.
Cristhians are better treated than Arab separatists.

[Menassa]

It seems to be more islamophobic, than arabophobic. And for good reason too. You can ask the Christians of the Muslim World just how well they are treated. The Muslim nations seem to have a nice tendency across the entire World to persecute the fuck out of minorities in their respective area, regardless of the secularism of the government. In fact, we've seen the growth of several large and quite violent Muslim movements in Europe as well, people who emigrated to these countries and now want to replace it with their shit. It might be that People from Third World nations ruled by a terrible patriarchy and holding contempt for people who don't have penises or don't use their penises how they are supposed to don't integrate well in First World countries, but I'm going to go with some inherent flaw in Islam itself and the way it is taught.

Now then, let's move on. Israel doesn't want to be flooded with Third-Worlders. Especially, third-worlders with a long history of murdering Jews. You'd have to be mildly retarded to agree to put a gun to your head, because someone living nowhere close to the situation or with any knowledge of economics/history, thinks that it would be nice.

I might agree to a one state solution, if every single supporter of the one state solution strapped themselves to a Death Board. Every Jew killed/raped/robbed will result in the death of a portion of these one state solutioners. Now the liability is held equally among the people you'd force to face risk and yourself.

Its Palestine which is being flooded by first worlders. Especially First worlders with a long history of murdering arabs.
Cristhians are better treated than Arab separatists.

Generally separatists of any nation are worse treated than other groups... with all the talks of 'taking the country back' usually via violence.

[Harkback Union]

Its Palestine which is being flooded by first worlders. Especially First worlders with a long history of murdering arabs.
Cristhians are better treated than Arab separatists.

Generally separatists of any nation are worse treated than other groups... with all the talks of 'taking the country back' usually via violence.

oops, I meant the Islam separatist.

[Farnhamia]

[url°http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_Palaestina]Hey, look, Syria Palaestina[/url]. We´re not rewriting history, we´re just using a historical name.

Also, do give us a source for each and every single claim of those, because you've just descended even further into that pit of insanity of yours.

Isn't he just trolling?
no, I'm sure he is trolling.
He can't be for real.

If you think someone is trolling, report it.

[Harkback Union]

Isn't he just trolling?
no, I'm sure he is trolling.
He can't be for real.

If you think someone is trolling, report it.

I cant be sure...

[Kryozerkia]

If you think someone is trolling, report it.

I cant be sure...

That's why you report it. Let the mods determine that.

[Harkback Union]

I cant be sure...

That's why you report it. Let the mods determine that.

But I like trolls

[Benuty]

That's why you report it. Let the mods determine that.

But I like trolls

Debatable as to the quality of said trolling.