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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:26 pm

Aeken wrote:
Kingdom of Israel wrote:Not everyone- but a lot if not even a majority (Talking now about the Arabs in general).

And?

And....
This is a conflict between the Jews and the Arab Imperialist interests.
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:27 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Aeken wrote:And?

And....
This is a conflict between Jewish Imperialist interests and the Arab Imperialist interests.


ftfy

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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:30 pm

Harkback Union wrote:
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Jews have imperialist beliefs aswell, read the old testament.


Never mind, I got some quotes for you:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/7.html#2

Is this a site dedicated for Bible-hatred? :palm:
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:32 pm

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:The Rashidun Caliphate had exemplary women rights, freedoms of speech, welfare and wealth redistribution, not to mention a transparent government of the highest moral calibre.

And you blame them for an ideal of a Golden Age?

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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:33 pm

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:The Rashidun Caliphate had exemplary women rights, freedoms of speech, welfare and wealth redistribution, not to mention a transparent government of the highest moral calibre.

And you blame them for an ideal of a Golden Age?

Believe me, the woman rights and welfare isn't a part of the ideal of them.
They want to re-create the less-nice parts of the Caliphate.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:34 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:Islam has no claim to the holy land they desecrated the holy temple.

By that logic, you must fucking hate Italian people.

I do. Especially Vazdania.

But see what Italian people have done! Just watch jersey shore!

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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:39 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:By that logic, you must fucking hate Italian people.

I do. Especially Vazdania.

But see what Italian people have done! Just watch jersey shore!


Speaking of which, should they be permitted to return to Italy?

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Postby Yorkopolis » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:44 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:Arabs aren't an empire, they are an ethnic group.

But they have Imperialist beliefs, even the Arab-Israeli party Balad says it out-loud.
They want to recreate their "Golden Age" which is the Caliphate...

That's Islamists.
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:45 pm

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:The Rashidun Caliphate had exemplary women rights, freedoms of speech and religion, welfare and wealth redistribution, not to mention a transparent government of the highest moral calibre.

And you blame them for an ideal of a Golden Age?
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Postby Harkback Union » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:49 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:
Never mind, I got some quotes for you:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/dt/7.html#2

Is this a site dedicated for Bible-hatred? :palm:

Its dedicated to Bible analysis.
I read just 20% of the bible, and I must say, It has more hatred and factionalism in it than Mein Kampf.

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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:51 pm

Harkback Union wrote:
Kingdom of Israel wrote:Is this a site dedicated for Bible-hatred? :palm:

Its dedicated to Bible analysis.
I read just 20% of the bible, and I must say, It has more hatred and factionalism in it than Mein Kampf.


He dies in the end!

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Postby Harkback Union » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:52 pm

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:Its dedicated to Bible analysis.
I read just 20% of the bible, and I must say, It has more hatred and factionalism in it than Mein Kampf.


He dies in the end!

I'm talking about the old testament.

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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:53 pm

Harkback Union wrote:
Kingdom of Israel wrote:Is this a site dedicated for Bible-hatred? :palm:

Its dedicated to Bible analysis.
I read just 20% of the bible, and I must say, It has more hatred and factionalism in it than Mein Kampf.

Well I study the Bible and read completely the Torah and that's false-
some of it's books are amazing early historic documents (Kings, Samuel, Ezra-Nehemiah, Chronicles), some are wise and literally-brilliant (Koheleth, Psalms, Mishlei, Song of Songs), some are amazing mythology and beliefs (Genesis, Exodus).
What you said now is crap, how dare you compare this amazing, brilliant, beautiful and important book to the evil Mein Kampf.
You should be ashamed for that.
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:54 pm

Harkback Union wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
He dies in the end!

I'm talking about the old testament.


They all die in the end!

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Postby Harkback Union » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:54 pm

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:I'm talking about the old testament.


They all die in the end!


Yes... except for the jews.

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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:54 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:Its dedicated to Bible analysis.
I read just 20% of the bible, and I must say, It has more hatred and factionalism in it than Mein Kampf.

Well I study the Bible and read completely the Torah and that's false-
some of it's books are amazing early historic documents (Kings, Samuel, Ezra-Nehemiah, Chronicles), some are wise and literally-brilliant (Koheleth, Psalms, Mishlei, Song of Songs), some are amazing mythology and beliefs (Genesis, Exodus).
What you said now is crap, how dare you compare this amazing, brilliant, beautiful and important book to the evil Mein Kampf.
You should be ashamed for that.


It's ironic.

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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:56 pm

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Kingdom of Israel wrote:Well I study the Bible and read completely the Torah and that's false-
some of it's books are amazing early historic documents (Kings, Samuel, Ezra-Nehemiah, Chronicles), some are wise and literally-brilliant (Koheleth, Psalms, Mishlei, Song of Songs), some are amazing mythology and beliefs (Genesis, Exodus).
What you said now is crap, how dare you compare this amazing, brilliant, beautiful and important book to the evil Mein Kampf.
You should be ashamed for that.


It's ironic.

What's ironic?
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Postby Harkback Union » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:03 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:Its dedicated to Bible analysis.
I read just 20% of the bible, and I must say, It has more hatred and factionalism in it than Mein Kampf.

Well I study the Bible and read completely the Torah and that's false-
some of it's books are amazing early historic documents (Kings, Samuel, Ezra-Nehemiah, Chronicles), some are wise and literally-brilliant (Koheleth, Psalms, Mishlei, Song of Songs), some are amazing mythology and beliefs (Genesis, Exodus).
What you said now is crap, how dare you compare this amazing, brilliant, beautiful and important book to the evil Mein Kampf.
You should be ashamed for that.


Did you read the part where they torture and mass murder civilians to get the madman who exploits them to let go of the jews?
Or the part where they conquer the other natives of canaan to make room for the jews?
No?
I did.

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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:05 pm

Harkback Union wrote:
Kingdom of Israel wrote:Well I study the Bible and read completely the Torah and that's false-
some of it's books are amazing early historic documents (Kings, Samuel, Ezra-Nehemiah, Chronicles), some are wise and literally-brilliant (Koheleth, Psalms, Mishlei, Song of Songs), some are amazing mythology and beliefs (Genesis, Exodus).
What you said now is crap, how dare you compare this amazing, brilliant, beautiful and important book to the evil Mein Kampf.
You should be ashamed for that.


Did you read the part where they torture and mass murder civilians to get the madman who exploits them to let go of the jews?
Or the part where they conquer the other natives of canaan to make room for the jews?
No?
I did.


The Jews partook in massacre of the Egyptians?

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Postby Harkback Union » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:05 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:Its dedicated to Bible analysis.
I read just 20% of the bible, and I must say, It has more hatred and factionalism in it than Mein Kampf.

Well I study the Bible and read completely the Torah and that's false-
some of it's books are amazing early historic documents (Kings, Samuel, Ezra-Nehemiah, Chronicles), some are wise and literally-brilliant (Koheleth, Psalms, Mishlei, Song of Songs), some are amazing mythology and beliefs (Genesis, Exodus).
What you said now is crap, how dare you compare this amazing, brilliant, beautiful and important book to the evil Mein Kampf.
You should be ashamed for that.

Also, I compare them because the root of their Ideology is the same.
"We believe in something, these other guys believe in a different thing and look different.
Let's kill them"

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Postby Harkback Union » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:07 pm

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:
Did you read the part where they torture and mass murder civilians to get the madman who exploits them to let go of the jews?
Or the part where they conquer the other natives of canaan to make room for the jews?
No?
I did.


The Jews partook in massacre of the Egyptians?


No.
But the bible says god did.

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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:08 pm

Harkback Union wrote:
Kingdom of Israel wrote:Well I study the Bible and read completely the Torah and that's false-
some of it's books are amazing early historic documents (Kings, Samuel, Ezra-Nehemiah, Chronicles), some are wise and literally-brilliant (Koheleth, Psalms, Mishlei, Song of Songs), some are amazing mythology and beliefs (Genesis, Exodus).
What you said now is crap, how dare you compare this amazing, brilliant, beautiful and important book to the evil Mein Kampf.
You should be ashamed for that.


Did you read the part where they torture and mass murder civilians to get the madman who exploits them to let go of the jews?
Or the part where they conquer the other natives of canaan to make room for the jews?
No?
I did.

Oh my God... :palm: Not one of THOSE people...
Compared to other Near-Eastern Iron-Age civilizations this is absolutely nothing, in fact, it is the most moral book of it's time.

And the fact you call them "Jews" means you haven't really read it, we weren't called Jews until the 8th-7th century BC, until then we were called "Bnei Yisrael" - Children of Israel (Israelites in English).

Anyway this is a threadjack- if you want- make a thread about the Bible.
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:08 pm

Harkback Union wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
The Jews partook in massacre of the Egyptians?


No.
But the bible says god did.


And only God has the right to end the life of his creations.

So why are you blaming this on the Jews?

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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:08 pm

Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
Harkback Union wrote:
No.
But the bible says god did.


And only God has the right to end the life of his creations.

So why are you blaming this on the Jews?

COZ DA JOOOZ!!!1111
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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:09 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Seljuq Kyiv wrote:
And only God has the right to end the life of his creations.

So why are you blaming this on the Jews?

COZ DA JOOOZ!!!1111


Forsooth.

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