The Mod-Sanctioned Israel/Palestine thread

[The balkens]

Give it another world war, I'm sure something will happen.

Like, everyone dies?

No.
The people of the world will realize that nationalism is total-world-destroying -bullshit.

One world government begins and every NWO conspiracy theorist will say "SEE?! ITS HAPPENING!"

At least that's what I think what will happen.

[Harkback Union]

Let's do none.
The "Palestinian" "History" isn't really History.
There's no "Palestinian nationalism" as there's no real Paletinian nation- they are Arab Imperialists that want to re-create the Caliphate. (Even Arab-Israeli party Balad says it outloud).

Bullshit on 95% of this post.

I would rather say, "Its very probable that this post is full of bullshit historical revisionism..."
After all, none of us can tell for sure.
Again, we should either abolish nationalism or forget history ever existed, or else, we will end up killing each other for bullshit reasons.

[Harkback Union]

Like, everyone dies?

No.
The people of the world will realize that nationalism is total-world-destroying -bullshit.

One world government begins and every NWO conspiracy theorist will say "SEE?! ITS HAPPENING!"

At least that's what I think what will happen.

I wish A terrorist group appeared which would terrorize warmongering nationalist politicians and owners of war factories.

[The balkens]

Bullshit on 95% of this post.

"HEY I DONT KNO ENYTING BOUT DA CONFLICT BAT IMMA GONNA COLL WATEVER HE WIL SAY COZ I WANNA TOOOOOO!!!!!1111111!!!!!!11!!111!1!111"

Actually I know that both sides are acting like screaming children at the kindergarten lunch table. "he stole my land!" "I was here first!" it goes on and on and on.

People like you are part of the problem, same as Hamas.

[Harkback Union]

"HEY I DONT KNO ENYTING BOUT DA CONFLICT BAT IMMA GONNA COLL WATEVER HE WIL SAY COZ I WANNA TOOOOOO!!!!!1111111!!!!!!11!!111!1!111"

Actually I know that both sides are acting like screaming children at the kindergarten lunch table. "he stole my land!" "I was here first!" it goes on and on and on.

People like you are part of the problem, same as Hamas.

Dinosaurs were there first. We should bring them back to life and give the land back to them.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

You could hardly blame Bedouins that had no concept of borders, only grazing land. Or the fact that until recently the territory was part of a larger single nation that spanned from Suez to Basra.

Bedouins? This is of Arabs in general.
Modern "Palestinians".

You could hardly blame Bedouins that had no concept of borders, only grazing land. Or the fact that until recently the territory was part of a larger single nation that spanned from Suez to Basra.

Besides, European Jews were also migrating in to bolster the native Jewish population.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Bedouins? This is of Arabs in general.
Modern "Palestinians".

You could hardly blame Bedouins that had no concept of borders, only grazing land. Or the fact that until recently the territory was part of a larger single nation that spanned from Suez to Basra.

Besides, European Jews were also migrating in to bolster the native Jewish population.

Jews have the right to be here, considering it's the Jewish native land- the Arabs don't have that right.

[Harkback Union]

Besides, European Jews were also migrating in to bolster the native Jewish population.

Jews have the right to be here, considering it's the Jewish native land- the Arabs don't have that right.

Wrong. Animals were there first.
You slaughtered them and took their land.
You have no right to exists.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Besides, European Jews were also migrating in to bolster the native Jewish population.

Jews have the right to be here, considering it's the Jewish native land- the Arabs don't have that right.

It belongs to Canaan. But they're not around to claim it anyhow.

More importantly, it belongs to those who were born there, to those whose parents were born there, to those whose grandparents were born there.

The country I live in has several rowdy minorities (49%) who weren't ethnic natives to our land, but let's take the largest of them (25%). They've been around since the 1900s, if not late 1800s. It would make no sense to deport them to the other side of the channel, where they have made themselves a majority and left the natives an ethnic minority, as the present population were born here, as were their parents, as were their parents' parents.

Not arguing who has right to what (In fact, I believe no ethnicity has any more a right over a land than the other), I am only saying that whatever damage has been done and it's now their home as well, like it or not.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Jews have the right to be here, considering it's the Jewish native land- the Arabs don't have that right.

It belongs to Canaan. But they're not around to claim it anyhow.

More importantly, it belongs to those who were born there, to those whose parents were born there, to those whose grandparents were born there.

The country I live in has several rowdy minorities (49%) who weren't ethnic natives to our land, but let's take the largest of them (25%). They've been around since the 1900s, if not late 1800s. It would make no sense to deport them to the other side of the channel, where they have made themselves a majority and left the natives an ethnic minority, as the present population were born here, as were their parents, as were their parents' parents.

Not arguing who has right to what (In fact, I believe no ethnicity has any more a right over a land than the other), I am only saying that whatever damage has been done and it's now their home as well, like it or not.

According to archaeologist Jonathan N. Tubb, "Ammonites, Moabites, Israelites and Phoenicians undoubtedly achieved their own cultural identities, and yet ethnically they were all Canaanites", "the same people who settled in farming villages in the region in the 8th millennium BC."

We are originated from the Canaanites. In fact, we are the largest group of them all and the only group of what today is the state of Israel, especially in Judea and Samaria.

[Regnum Dominae]

What do you guys think of Halacka? I support and I think Israel should be a pure Jewish theocracy.

Jewish state is more important than a democratic state.

LU, you've gone completely off the deep end.

Peres? How exactly does his being in power have anything to do with Israel not pursuing full ethnic purity? Or are you attempting to make my point for me? Not even Likud is talking about purging all Arabs from Israel, and Kadima is somewhat better than Likud.

In reality- Likud is left-wing...

...in what parallel universe?

[Kingdom of Israel]

What do you guys think of Halacka? I support and I think Israel should be a pure Jewish theocracy.

Jewish state is more important than a democratic state.

LU, you've gone completely off the deep end.

In reality- Likud is left-wing...

...in what parallel universe?

That universe that the world believes that the Arabs are natives to the land of Israel and call the land "Palestine".

[Caraani]

LU, you've gone completely off the deep end.


...in what parallel universe?

That universe that the world believes that the Arabs are natives to the land of Israel and call the land "Palestine".

That is the universe where we all live, it is you who live in a different universe, that where the jews remained in Canaan for more then 2000 years and Israel has a legitimate claim to Canaan.In the real world, in which I hope to bring you, after the prosperous reign of Solomon, the Kingdom of Israel fell into anarchy, and it broke in many smaller states which were eventually conquered by the Assyrian Empire and then by Babylonia.The Jews were then deported by the Assyryians back from where they came from, in Mesopotamia.From there they begun scatering.It was not until later when Canaan was under Babylonian Rulership that the jews could return back to the ex-kingdoms of Israel and Judah, but many already left for other places.This is the historical theory, and while I agree with you that it is vague, even if you say that many jews returned, from the conquest of Israel by the Romans to 1917 when the Balfour Declaration happened that put in motion the Zionist creation of Israel, you cannot give me bullcrap and tell me that they stood there for 2000 years unharmed by all the people that were there before.And yes, the Arabs weren't initially native to Canaan, but nor were the jews.The jews came, they liked what they saw, and begun colonizing it slowly.The Kingdom of Israel reached a golden age under Solomon, then it fell into anarchy, from which resulted many other states that were later conquered by greater empires that deported the jews.The Jews that returned lived peacefully under the Persians and then the Greeks(under which by the way the people that lived in Canaan were hellenized).When the romans came, the jews were mass-murdered and mass-deported.This is the second time the Jews are mass-deported and the first time they are mass murdered.After the Romans, under Byzantine rule, the Samaritans(jewish population) faced a decrease of their population as a direct result of their revolt (second time the jews face a dramatic descrease in their population;You may count it if you want, I will).The province of Palestine faced decline and distruction in the late period of Byzantine rule.From Eastern Rome Palestine passed to the muslims, be they Abbasids, Umayyads, Mamluks, Seljuks or Ottomans.For the next 1300 from the Byzantine defeat to the end of WW1, Palestine had 1300 years to be integrated in the Arab society.How is it possible that for a people that faced so many terrible things(if they indeed remained in Palestine for all this time) to not be naturalized into the dominant culture?(also think about what naturalized mean;It is just natural for the local people to be annexed into the ruling culture for 1300)And I cannot belive that muslims didn't colonize those lands with their own people.Here you go, read carefully, and do not focus only on one part or leave the others out.It is important to pay attention to everything.If you want sources you can check it yourself.

[Kingdom of Israel]

That universe that the world believes that the Arabs are natives to the land of Israel and call the land "Palestine".

That is the universe where we all live, it is you who live in a different universe, that where the jews remained in Canaan for more then 2000 years and Israel has a legitimate claim to Canaan.In the real world, in which I hope to bring you, after the prosperous reign of Solomon, the Kingdom of Israel fell into anarchy, and it broke in many smaller states which were eventually conquered by the Assyrian Empire and then by Babylonia.The Jews were then deported by the Assyryians back from where they came from, in Mesopotamia.From there they begun scatering.It was not until later when Canaan was under Babylonian Rulership that the jews could return back to the ex-kingdoms of Israel and Judah, but many already left for other places.This is the historical theory, and while I agree with you that it is vague, even if you say that many jews returned, from the conquest of Israel by the Romans to 1917 when the Balfour Declaration happened that put in motion the Zionist creation of Israel, you cannot give me bullcrap and tell me that they stood there for 2000 years unharmed by all the people that were there before.And yes, the Arabs weren't initially native to Canaan, but nor were the jews.The jews came, they liked what they saw, and begun colonizing it slowly.The Kingdom of Israel reached a golden age under Solomon, then it fell into anarchy, from which resulted many other states that were later conquered by greater empires that deported the jews.The Jews that returned lived peacefully under the Persians and then the Greeks(under which by the way the people that lived in Canaan were hellenized).When the romans came, the jews were mass-murdered and mass-deported.This is the second time the Jews are mass-deported and the first time they are mass murdered.After the Romans, under Byzantine rule, the Samaritans(jewish population) faced a decrease of their population as a direct result of their revolt (second time the jews face a dramatic descrease in their population;You may count it if you want, I will).The province of Palestine faced decline and distruction in the late period of Byzantine rule.From Eastern Rome Palestine passed to the muslims, be they Abbasids, Umayyads, Mamluks, Seljuks or Ottomans.For the next 1300 from the Byzantine defeat to the end of WW1, Palestine had 1300 years to be integrated in the Arab society.How is it possible that for a people that faced so many terrible things(if they indeed remained in Palestine for all this time) to not be naturalized into the dominant culture?(also think about what naturalized mean;It is just natural for the local people to be annexed into the ruling culture for 1300)And I cannot belive that muslims didn't colonize those lands with their own people.Here you go, read carefully, and do not focus only on one part or leave the others out.It is important to pay attention to everything.If you want sources you can check it yourself.

All I see here is a partly-true partly-not History paragraph, what's your point?

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Might argue the same thing on the other side.

[Caraani]

That is the universe where we all live, it is you who live in a different universe, that where the jews remained in Canaan for more then 2000 years and Israel has a legitimate claim to Canaan.In the real world, in which I hope to bring you, after the prosperous reign of Solomon, the Kingdom of Israel fell into anarchy, and it broke in many smaller states which were eventually conquered by the Assyrian Empire and then by Babylonia.The Jews were then deported by the Assyryians back from where they came from, in Mesopotamia.From there they begun scatering.It was not until later when Canaan was under Babylonian Rulership that the jews could return back to the ex-kingdoms of Israel and Judah, but many already left for other places.This is the historical theory, and while I agree with you that it is vague, even if you say that many jews returned, from the conquest of Israel by the Romans to 1917 when the Balfour Declaration happened that put in motion the Zionist creation of Israel, you cannot give me bullcrap and tell me that they stood there for 2000 years unharmed by all the people that were there before.And yes, the Arabs weren't initially native to Canaan, but nor were the jews.The jews came, they liked what they saw, and begun colonizing it slowly.The Kingdom of Israel reached a golden age under Solomon, then it fell into anarchy, from which resulted many other states that were later conquered by greater empires that deported the jews.The Jews that returned lived peacefully under the Persians and then the Greeks(under which by the way the people that lived in Canaan were hellenized).When the romans came, the jews were mass-murdered and mass-deported.This is the second time the Jews are mass-deported and the first time they are mass murdered.After the Romans, under Byzantine rule, the Samaritans(jewish population) faced a decrease of their population as a direct result of their revolt (second time the jews face a dramatic descrease in their population;You may count it if you want, I will).The province of Palestine faced decline and distruction in the late period of Byzantine rule.From Eastern Rome Palestine passed to the muslims, be they Abbasids, Umayyads, Mamluks, Seljuks or Ottomans.For the next 1300 from the Byzantine defeat to the end of WW1, Palestine had 1300 years to be integrated in the Arab society.How is it possible that for a people that faced so many terrible things(if they indeed remained in Palestine for all this time) to not be naturalized into the dominant culture?(also think about what naturalized mean;It is just natural for the local people to be annexed into the ruling culture for 1300)And I cannot belive that muslims didn't colonize those lands with their own people.Here you go, read carefully, and do not focus only on one part or leave the others out.It is important to pay attention to everything.If you want sources you can check it yourself.

All I see here is a partly-true partly-not History paragraph, what's your point?

If that's all you can see then I sadly announce you that I will no longer argue with you on this issue, for you are not capable of accepting the truth.That is all history, everything there is true, I said, if you are not convinced it's true then google the thing you think isn't true.
Cya bro.

[Leningrad Union]

What do you guys think of Halacka? I support and I think Israel should be a pure Jewish theocracy.

Jewish state is more important than a democratic state.

LU, you've gone completely off the deep end.

In reality- Likud is left-wing...

...in what parallel universe?

Deep end?

[Yorkopolis]

You know- re-writing History is a thing happening right now. Not only in fiction books such as 1984.
Except for re-writing attempts such as holocaust denial there are other attempt- that in fact managed to probably fool most of the people in the world.
And by the History re-writing I'm talking about the "Palestinian lie", it seems quite ludicrous but not only that they claim they have been here for many generations (A false claim), they are also telling their population (In school-books for example) that people like Jesus and King David were in fact Palestinian, and even though you might find it insane to believe your own children might believe that lie like you now believe they have been here for a long time, or that Israel did war crimes and such (Things that of course never happened, and in my opinion we treat them way better than we should be...)
Ironically the people funding those text-books that by the way, many times refers to Jews as Pigs and Monkeys and tells those lies and History-rewriting are funded by the "enlightened" European Union.

Hey, look, Syria Palaestina. We´re not rewriting history, we´re just using a historical name.

Also, do give us a source for each and every single claim of those, because you've just descended even further into that pit of insanity of yours.

[Harkback Union]

You know- re-writing History is a thing happening right now. Not only in fiction books such as 1984.
Except for re-writing attempts such as holocaust denial there are other attempt- that in fact managed to probably fool most of the people in the world.
And by the History re-writing I'm talking about the "Palestinian lie", it seems quite ludicrous but not only that they claim they have been here for many generations (A false claim), they are also telling their population (In school-books for example) that people like Jesus and King David were in fact Palestinian, and even though you might find it insane to believe your own children might believe that lie like you now believe they have been here for a long time, or that Israel did war crimes and such (Things that of course never happened, and in my opinion we treat them way better than we should be...)
Ironically the people funding those text-books that by the way, many times refers to Jews as Pigs and Monkeys and tells those lies and History-rewriting are funded by the "enlightened" European Union.

[url°http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria_Palaestina]Hey, look, Syria Palaestina[/url]. We´re not rewriting history, we´re just using a historical name.

Also, do give us a source for each and every single claim of those, because you've just descended even further into that pit of insanity of yours.

Isn't he just trolling?
no, I'm sure he is trolling.
He can't be for real.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

*cough Belgium cough*

What a nation decides to call an arbitrary piece of land constrained by man-made lines is their business. Just as the Flems and Walloons call their piece of land Belgium in honour of Gallia Belgica, so too could the inhabitants of this piece of land call it Palestine in honour of the Peleset of old.

Though it means jack squat.

EDIT: Likewise, the 'United States of America' never existed before 1776.

[Kingdom of Israel]

*cough Belgium cough*

What a nation decides to call an arbitrary piece of land constrained by man-made lines is their business. Just as the Flems and Walloons call their piece of land Belgium in honour of Gallia Belgica, so too could the inhabitants of this piece of land call it Palestine in honour of the Peleset of old.

Though it means jack squat.

EDIT: Likewise, the 'United States of America' never existed before 1776.

Ummmm.... no the natives call this place Israel, only the Arab immigrants and ignorants all around the world call it Palestine.

[Estado Paulista]

*cough Belgium cough*

What a nation decides to call an arbitrary piece of land constrained by man-made lines is their business. Just as the Flems and Walloons call their piece of land Belgium in honour of Gallia Belgica, so too could the inhabitants of this piece of land call it Palestine in honour of the Peleset of old.

Though it means jack squat.

EDIT: Likewise, the 'United States of America' never existed before 1776.

Ummmm.... no the natives call this place Israel, only the Arab immigrants and ignorants all around the world call it Palestine.

Actually, the entire world used to call that area Palestine untill Israel got its independence. It started with the Romans.

[Kingdom of Israel]

You know- re-writing History is a thing happening right now. Not only in fiction books such as 1984.
Except for re-writing attempts such as holocaust denial there are other attempt- that in fact managed to probably fool most of the people in the world.
And by the History re-writing I'm talking about the "Palestinian lie", it seems quite ludicrous but not only that they claim they have been here for many generations (A false claim), they are also telling their population (In school-books for example) that people like Jesus and King David were in fact Palestinian, and even though you might find it insane to believe your own children might believe that lie like you now believe they have been here for a long time, or that Israel did war crimes and such (Things that of course never happened, and in my opinion we treat them way better than we should be...)
Ironically the people funding those text-books that by the way, many times refers to Jews as Pigs and Monkeys and tells those lies and History-rewriting are funded by the "enlightened" European Union.

Hey, look, Syria Palaestina. We´re not rewriting history, we´re just using a historical name.

Also, do give us a source for each and every single claim of those, because you've just descended even further into that pit of insanity of yours.

It is re-writing History.
Yes, this place was renamed from IUDEA to SYRIA PALAESTINA in 135 in order to oppress the Jews and punish them after the Bar Kokhba revolt.
But the name, which was by the way- not used all the time between the Romans/Byzantines and modern time (British mandate) (Even in the Koran they call it Israel, not "Palestine".)
The re-writing is the existence of a "Palestinian nation", the name Palestine existed since Herodotus used the name to describe the area of Peleset (Gaza strip) but it has nothing to do with the Arabs.

P.S.
It's funny how the only argument you have, since you don't have a legit one- is always flaming against me. It's hilarious in my opinion and shows you don't have real arguments.

[Harkback Union]

*cough Belgium cough*

What a nation decides to call an arbitrary piece of land constrained by man-made lines is their business. Just as the Flems and Walloons call their piece of land Belgium in honour of Gallia Belgica, so too could the inhabitants of this piece of land call it Palestine in honour of the Peleset of old.

Though it means jack squat.

EDIT: Likewise, the 'United States of America' never existed before 1776.

Ummmm.... no the natives call this place Israel, only the Arab immigrants and ignorants all around the world call it Palestine.

Because you have the right to decide who is native and who isn't.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Ummmm.... no the natives call this place Israel, only the Arab immigrants and ignorants all around the world call it Palestine.

Actually, the entire world used to call that area Palestine untill Israel got its independence. It started with the Romans.

Really? Since in the Koran (Written in the Middle Ages) this land is called Israel. And by the Ottomans: South Syria.
Only the Britons have decided to re-use the name "Palestine" used by the Romans in order to oppress the Jews after the Bar Kokhba revolt.