The Mod-Sanctioned Israel/Palestine thread

[Kingdom of Israel]

What do you guys think of Halacka? I support and I think Israel should be a pure Jewish theocracy.

Jewish state is more important than a democratic state.

How about a Jewish non-theocratic state?

Dude, weren't you an atheist previously?

EDIT:
About the second sentence of Jewish values superior to "democratic" values, agree 100000000000%

[The New Lowlands]

It's a desecration of the holy temple.

I would support such an act of re-building the third temple and destroying the stain that's upon the Temple Mount, only if it was safe.
Very unfortunately I don't think it would be safe to do so...

You're joking, right?

[Angleter]

What do you guys think of Halacka? I support and I think Israel should be a pure Jewish theocracy.

Jewish state is more important than a democratic state.

I think you've abandoned all common sense and nuance in favour of crudely and unflinchingly supporting anything that's 'Jewish'. For one thing, you seem to have lost all knowledge of the distinction between the Jewish nation and the Jewish religion. Indeed, you're making Yehuddah appear like a beacon of reason.

[Kingdom of Israel]

I would support such an act of re-building the third temple and destroying the stain that's upon the Temple Mount, only if it was safe.
Very unfortunately I don't think it would be safe to do so...

You're joking, right?

Absolutely not.
All of the Jews (Yeah also secular ones) want the Temple to re-built, unfortunately... it isn't safe to do so and might cause a major war.
So we have to avoid it until someday it might be safe to do so.

[Kingdom of Israel]

What do you guys think of Halacka? I support and I think Israel should be a pure Jewish theocracy.

Jewish state is more important than a democratic state.

I think you've abandoned all common sense and nuance in favour of crudely and unflinchingly supporting anything that's 'Jewish'. For one thing, you seem to have lost all knowledge of the distinction between the Jewish nation and the Jewish religion. Indeed, you're making Yehuddah appear like a beacon of reason.

Well I'm absolutely for Jewish ethnicity+nation+culture+tradition State of Israel, but with religious freedom (I'm an atheist myself), personally against seperation of Judaism and state but I'm for keeping pretty much the current situation in the religious sense of the word.

[Noders]

i am against theocracy and states pursuing policies of ethnic purity unless israel does it then its ok

signed, barack obama

strange seeing how that's really not true. maybe you want to provide proofs?

[Vicswampia]

i am against theocracy and states pursuing policies of ethnic purity unless israel does it then its ok

signed, barack obama

strange seeing how that's really not true. maybe you want to provide proofs?

This.

[The New Lowlands]

You're joking, right?

Absolutely not.
All of the Jews (Yeah also secular ones) want the Temple to re-built, unfortunately... it isn't safe to do so and might cause a major war.
So we have to avoid it until someday it might be safe to do so.

I was talking more about the "stain" part.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Absolutely not.
All of the Jews (Yeah also secular ones) want the Temple to re-built, unfortunately... it isn't safe to do so and might cause a major war.
So we have to avoid it until someday it might be safe to do so.

I was talking more about the "stain" part.

Yeah, it is a foreign building built exactly on the most important spot of the Jewish nation and faith.

[Alyakia]

strange seeing how that's really not true. maybe you want to provide proofs?

This.

can i just tell you to google obama israeli jewish state?

"Here on your ancient land, let it be said for all the world to hear," Obama said at Yad Vashem Friday, in a clear response to that criticism. "The state of Israel does not exist because of the Holocaust, but with the survival of a strong Jewish state of Israel, such a holocaust will never happen again."

[Kingdom of Israel]

This.

can i just tell you to google obama israeli jewish state?

"Here on your ancient land, let it be said for all the world to hear," Obama said at Yad Vashem Friday, in a clear response to that criticism. "The state of Israel does not exist because of the Holocaust, but with the survival of a strong Jewish state of Israel, such a holocaust will never happen again."

Yet at the other hand he recognizes the Arab lie of the "Palestinians".

[Aeken]

can i just tell you to google obama israeli jewish state?

"Here on your ancient land, let it be said for all the world to hear," Obama said at Yad Vashem Friday, in a clear response to that criticism. "The state of Israel does not exist because of the Holocaust, but with the survival of a strong Jewish state of Israel, such a holocaust will never happen again."

Yet at the other hand he recognizes the Arab lie of the "Palestinians".

Stop delegitimizing yourself.

[Kingdom of Israel]

Yet at the other hand he recognizes the Arab lie of the "Palestinians".

Stop delegitimizing yourself.

?
Look for yourself, what is a "Palestinian nation"- it is a lie.
Hell, not that the vast majority of the Arabs came in the 20th century as job-seekers (And Winston Churchill himself said the Arab illegal immigration to Israel is far bigger than the Jewish Aliyah).
Even then, they only started calling themselves in such way in the 60's.
Even their "Palestinian leader" is an Egyptian Arab- Yasser Arafat.

[Angleter]

I was talking more about the "stain" part.

Yeah, it is a foreign building built exactly on the most important spot of the Jewish nation and faith.

I remember hearing that the Holy of Holies is between the two main mosques. Surely in that case you could erect the Temple without demolishing either mosque. Granted, that would probably spark an Intifada anyway, but still.

[Leningrad Union]

What do you guys think of Halacka? I support and I think Israel should be a pure Jewish theocracy.

Jewish state is more important than a democratic state.

I think you've abandoned all common sense and nuance in favour of crudely and unflinchingly supporting anything that's 'Jewish'. For one thing, you seem to have lost all knowledge of the distinction between the Jewish nation and the Jewish religion. Indeed, you're making Yehuddah appear like a beacon of reason.

What? Yehuddah is a nice and smart guy. He's completely reasonable and I'm happy to have him as a friend.

[Kingdom of Israel]

I think you've abandoned all common sense and nuance in favour of crudely and unflinchingly supporting anything that's 'Jewish'. For one thing, you seem to have lost all knowledge of the distinction between the Jewish nation and the Jewish religion. Indeed, you're making Yehuddah appear like a beacon of reason.

What? Yehuddah is a nice and smart guy. He's completely reasonable and I'm happy to have him as a friend.

You just made my day.

[Leningrad Union]

What? Yehuddah is a nice and smart guy. He's completely reasonable and I'm happy to have him as a friend.

You just made my day.

You earned it.

[Aeken]

Stop delegitimizing yourself.

?
Look for yourself, what is a "Palestinian nation"- it is a lie.
Hell, not that the vast majority of the Arabs came in the 20th century as job-seekers (And Winston Churchill himself said the Arab illegal immigration to Israel is far bigger than the Jewish Aliyah).
Even then, they only started calling themselves in such way in the 60's.
Even their "Palestinian leader" is an Egyptian Arab- Yasser Arafat.

Your claims are ludicrous. That's why you delegitimization yourself.

Give me a source showing mass Arab immigration to Israel and the ethnic statistics before the mandate. Because the mandate's statistics show an Arab majority.

[Kingdom of Israel]

?
Look for yourself, what is a "Palestinian nation"- it is a lie.
Hell, not that the vast majority of the Arabs came in the 20th century as job-seekers (And Winston Churchill himself said the Arab illegal immigration to Israel is far bigger than the Jewish Aliyah).
Even then, they only started calling themselves in such way in the 60's.
Even their "Palestinian leader" is an Egyptian Arab- Yasser Arafat.

Your claims are ludicrous. That's why you delegitimization yourself.

Give me a source showing mass Arab immigration to Israel and the ethnic statistics before the mandate. Because the mandate's statistics show an Arab majority.

They were indeed a majority, but most Arabs residing in the land of Israel right now are descendants/are mostly the Arabs who came during the mandate.
Also talking about pre-mandate Arabs, they came during Ottoman era- maximum.
Even the Muslim writer Al-Muqaddasi says that there are nearly no Arabs in the land of Israel, and that Jews are a majority in Jerusalem.

[Aeken]

Your claims are ludicrous. That's why you delegitimization yourself.

Give me a source showing mass Arab immigration to Israel and the ethnic statistics before the mandate. Because the mandate's statistics show an Arab majority.

They were indeed a majority, but most Arabs residing in the land of Israel right now are descendants/are mostly the Arabs who came during the mandate.
Also talking about pre-mandate Arabs, they came during Ottoman era- maximum.
Even the Muslim writer Al-Muqaddasi says that there are nearly no Arabs in the land of Israel, and that Jews are a majority in Jerusalem.

Give me a source.

[Leningrad Union]

They were indeed a majority, but most Arabs residing in the land of Israel right now are descendants/are mostly the Arabs who came during the mandate.
Also talking about pre-mandate Arabs, they came during Ottoman era- maximum.
Even the Muslim writer Al-Muqaddasi says that there are nearly no Arabs in the land of Israel, and that Jews are a majority in Jerusalem.

Give me a source.

For the 9999999999999999999999999999th time?!

[Aeken]

Give me a source.

For the 9999999999999999999999999999th time?!

I don't see why he can't back his claims.

[Leningrad Union]

For the 9999999999999999999999999999th time?!

I don't see why he can't back his claims.

He has multiple times

[Kingdom of Israel]

They were indeed a majority, but most Arabs residing in the land of Israel right now are descendants/are mostly the Arabs who came during the mandate.
Also talking about pre-mandate Arabs, they came during Ottoman era- maximum.
Even the Muslim writer Al-Muqaddasi says that there are nearly no Arabs in the land of Israel, and that Jews are a majority in Jerusalem.

Give me a source.

Far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population.

The Mosque is empty of worshipers... The Jews constitute the majority of Jerusalem's population.

[Kingdom of Israel]

They were indeed a majority, but most Arabs residing in the land of Israel right now are descendants/are mostly the Arabs who came during the mandate.
Also talking about pre-mandate Arabs, they came during Ottoman era- maximum.
Even the Muslim writer Al-Muqaddasi says that there are nearly no Arabs in the land of Israel, and that Jews are a majority in Jerusalem.

Give me a source.

Huh... another time: (Quoting an old post of mine... AGAIN...)

Actually "Palestines" stole Jewish land.
They came during the 20s, 30s, and 40s!

Jews were always in Israel, even if most were outside Israel (Which to remind you, most of the Irishmen are outside Ireland), Arabic writer Al-Muqaddasi from the Middle Ages, complained about "there's no Arabs in Israel but only Jews":

The Mosque is empty of worshipers... The Jews constitute the majority of Jerusalem's population

French politician de Lamartine:

Outside the city of Jerusalem, we saw no living object, heard no living sound... a complete eternal silence reigns in the town, in the highways in the country

James Finn, A British diplomat wrote in 1857:

The country is in a considerable degree, empty of inhabitants and therefore it's greates need is that of a body of population

Basically, the land was nearly completely deserted, with only thousands each of Arabs and Jews.
But most of the Arabs came in the British Mandate, due to the development caused by the British:

The Arabs in Israel TODAY, are simply the new generation of the Arabs who came from Jordan, Egypt, Syria Lebanon etc.

Even their leader Arafat is Egyptian!

Hope-Simpson report:
For example, just in 1934 over 30,000 Syrians came to Israel.

Few leaders of the world wrote about it:
President Roosevelt:

The Arab immigration to the mandate since 1921 was much greater than the Jewish immigration

Winston Churchill also talked about the situation:

The Arab immigration to the mandate was so large that their numbers grew in such proportion that even if all the Jews immigration there, they would not reach that number

Even Walid Shoebat, a former terrorist:

We knes well that our roots weren't Canaanian, although that's how we were taught.
Fact is that Palestinians of today are no more than immigrants from the surrounding states

That means that the terrorists KNEW that there's no such thing as Palestinians! They even lied to themselves!

Also, final quote:
An Arab professor of History, Philip Hitti:

It's known to all that there is no such thing as "Palestine" in history

http://www.rslissak.com/content/arab-il ... pak-lissak

Between the years 1922—1944, the population of Bet Dajan grew by 127%, that of Yazour grew by 214%, Salame’s population grew by 476%, Yabne’s population grew by 203%, the population of Kubeiba (near Rehovot) grew by 211%, in Fajjah the increase reached 630%, while Sawalme holds the record population growth: 1040%. Similar figures were recorded for the rest of the Arabic villages in the southern and central coastal plains.

Just noting that it is highly unlikely to happen just from natural growth, not just unlikely, but impossible, considering that the average Arab family during this era had only an average of 2.5 children.

Stop this lie, there's no such thing as Palestinians, this is Jewish land, whether if you like it or not.