The Mod-Sanctioned Israel/Palestine thread

[Yehuddah]

Ummmm... forgot about me?
Plus, your plan is very unsystematic, if you annex all of the territories at the beginning WITH the Arabs, it doesn't matter if we give them rights or not, but they will be able to go EVERYWHERE in Israel, then, we won't be able to systematically move them to outside Israel.
We need to annex area C (and de-annex the triangle), then, we will let them few months to move outside Israel, if they DO NOT move, we systematically finding them and physically moving them, but this time, without their possesions (if they would leave at the time we told them, they would be able to keep their possesions). After we banished them, THEN we annex the rest of our territories.

Those territories aren't yours to begin with, and now you're just proposing ethnic cleansing. Well done, you've just lowered yourself to the level of a Nazi. That said, these people are why I'm getting ever more anti-Israel and ever more pro-Palestine, but I will stay at supporting a two-state solution.

Or we could do all that to the Jews, so instead of just having Israel becoming a hypocritical reminder of why many of its European settlers moved there in the first place (hint: to escape systematic persecution), we can just go another round of Jew kicking, except this time they won't be down when we're doing it.

If you're going to talk about the systematic liquidation of a population, you damned well better accept you're no less of a waste of genetic information than the people who did the same to your people.

Well-said, Vlad, well-said.

I propose banishing, the Nazis didn't even let people to get out, they killed them, I'm not in favor of killing so no.

[Yorkopolis]

The king of Jordan himself said that "Jordan is Palestine, Palestine is Jordan" in 1981.

Did you not read his source? His source, as a matter of fact, was released in 2011, and your source is 30 years younger in 1981, so I'm calling bullshit on your claim, since even the King of Jordan has affirmed 2 years ago that Jordan is Jordan and Palestine is Palestine.

Those territories aren't yours to begin with, and now you're just proposing ethnic cleansing. Well done, you've just lowered yourself to the level of a Nazi. That said, these people are why I'm getting ever more anti-Israel and ever more pro-Palestine, but I will stay at supporting a two-state solution.


Well-said, Vlad, well-said.

I propose banishing, the Nazis didn't even let people to get out, they killed them, I'm not in favor of killing so no.

Banishing is what the Nazis began with...

[The God-Realm]

Yeah, and we're going to respond "with a time and place of our choosing." That's really not cricket.

They won't do anything while Obama is here.

Why not?

[The Nuclear Fist]

I propose banishing, the Nazis didn't even let people to get out, they killed them, I'm not in favor of killing so no.

In the beginning, Jews were encouraged in all but law to get out of Germany. What you are doing is one step above that, quite literally forcing them out.

So tell me, what will you do when they don't leave? Because here's the thing, they won't. Not in large enough numbers. They'll stay, and they'll fight for their right to stay. And you know what? If you try banishing them (Israel an enlightened and modern state my ass), they'll have the UN on their side.

Maybe, however, it will be good for those of you who are foaming at the mouth for the chance to ethnically cleanse some Palestinians to feel the harshness of an occupation or intervention, maybe when you're the one suffering you won't be so willing to resort to the same tactics your nation's founders fled to escape. Or maybe you'll just scream and whine that you can't commit crimes against humanity against brown people. . .

. . .

On second thought, I know exactly which one you'd do.

[The Nuclear Fist]

They won't do anything while Obama is here.

Why not?

Israel is quite dependent on the US, angering it means losing its full support. A dangerous prospect for such a belligerent nation.

[The God-Realm]

Why not?

Israel is quite dependent on the US, angering it means losing its full support. A dangerous prospect for such a belligerent nation.

I see.

[Dilange]

Those territories aren't yours to begin with, and now you're just proposing ethnic cleansing. Well done, you've just lowered yourself to the level of a Nazi. That said, these people are why I'm getting ever more anti-Israel and ever more pro-Palestine, but I will stay at supporting a two-state solution.


Well-said, Vlad, well-said.

I propose banishing, the Nazis didn't even let people to get out, they killed them, I'm not in favor of killing so no.

Both are still ethnic cleansing, whether one was murdering them all or forcing them all of them to leave.

[Souseiseki]

why do we treat ethnic cleansing and genocide like legitimate positions

oh, right, moderation

I propose banishing, the Nazis didn't even let people to get out, they killed them, I'm not in favor of killing so no.

i'm not a nazi. they nazis only murdered the scum AFTER they refused to leave my pure homeland. i will only kill them once they refuse to leave their homes.

[Souseiseki]

Hey, look, the rockets are back.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... t-1.510925


Fuck's sake.

it sounded like rockets were blacking out the sun

"it will be intersting to see if abbas, who did not condemn the rocket attacks during the entire time we were bombing the shit out of gaza, will condemn these rockets from gaza" is probably the best line though

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

The king of Jordan himself said that "Jordan is Palestine, Palestine is Jordan" in 1981.

Did you not read his source? His source, as a matter of fact, was released in 2011, and your source is 30 years younger in 1981, so I'm calling bullshit on your claim, since even the King of Jordan has affirmed 2 years ago that Jordan is Jordan and Palestine is Palestine.

Of course the Heshemites can't say the truth in the 21st century. Because that would result in the Palestinians freeing Palestine from them. Jordan Is Palestine is a basic FACT. You have a choice, EITHER Accept reality or live in a bubble.

[Souseiseki]

Did you not read his source? His source, as a matter of fact, was released in 2011, and your source is 30 years younger in 1981, so I'm calling bullshit on your claim, since even the King of Jordan has affirmed 2 years ago that Jordan is Jordan and Palestine is Palestine.

Of course the Heshemites can't say the truth in the 21st century. Because that would result in the Palestinians freeing Palestine from them. Jordan Is Palestine is a basic FACT. You have a choice, EITHER Accept reality or live in a bubble.

the heshemite occupiers are right and telling the truth when they agree with me and lying when they disagree with me

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Ummmm... forgot about me?
Plus, your plan is very unsystematic, if you annex all of the territories at the beginning WITH the Arabs, it doesn't matter if we give them rights or not, but they will be able to go EVERYWHERE in Israel, then, we won't be able to systematically move them to outside Israel.
We need to annex area C (and de-annex the triangle), then, we will let them few months to move outside Israel, if they DO NOT move, we systematically finding them and physically moving them, but this time, without their possesions (if they would leave at the time we told them, they would be able to keep their possesions). After we banished them, THEN we annex the rest of our territories.

Those territories aren't yours to begin with,

According to the Balfour Declaration, the Jewish state would strech from The sea to Iraq. So technicly Jordan is Israeli territory. That said in compliance with the 2 state solution the Jordan river will be the border between the Palestinian state and the Jewish state.

[Souseiseki]

Those territories aren't yours to begin with,

According to the Balfour Declaration, the Jewish state would strech from The sea to Iraq. So technicly Jordan is Israeli territory. That said in compliance with the 2 state solution the Jordan river will be the border between the Palestinian state and the Jewish state.

does it actually mention jordan or does it only apply because "jordan is palestine lel!!!"

[United States of Peace]

Those territories aren't yours to begin with,

According to the Balfour Declaration, the Jewish state would strech from The sea to Iraq. So technicly Jordan is Israeli territory. That said in compliance with the 2 state solution the Jordan river will be the border between the Palestinian state and the Jewish state.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/balfour.asp

The wording of the Declaration states absolutely nothing concerning the size or definition of Palestine. All I see is you digging in your feet and screaming "JORDAN IS PALESTINE!!!" at the top of your lungs while closing your ears, and using irreverent material justifying your claim.

[Spiritwolf]

I propose banishing, the Nazis didn't even let people to get out, they killed them, I'm not in favor of killing so no.

Both are still ethnic cleansing, whether one was murdering them all or forcing them all of them to leave.

There is a vast difference there Dilange, between giving an avowed enemy quarter and simply killing them. This action would be no different than what the IDF did to our settlers in Gaza....... going into their homes, beating their asses, dragging them out kicking and screaming, bulldozing their homes before their eyes, and then forcibly relocating them from their lands. This was done for "Dis-Engagement". IDF troopers beating the fucking shit out of Jews. If it's good enough for our people then it's good enough for the arabs/palestinians. And I don't give a damn what the media says about it. Where were all these great humanitarians when it was our people being "Ethnically Cleansed"? I think I've made my point here quite clearly.

[Beloyukto]

According to the Balfour Declaration, the Jewish state would strech from The sea to Iraq. So technicly Jordan is Israeli territory. That said in compliance with the 2 state solution the Jordan river will be the border between the Palestinian state and the Jewish state.

does it actually mention jordan or does it only apply because "jordan is palestine lel!!!"

Jordan is Jordan and Israel is Palestine we all know this yet so many people keep denying the true facts. Since 1948, Israel can't get a hold on BESIEGED Gaza and they were expelled with full humiliation from South Lebanon... Things are getting out of Israels hands and they should reconsider their options and tones as the Arab Spring brings more Islamic governments.

[Spiritwolf]

Those territories aren't yours to begin with,

According to the Balfour Declaration, the Jewish state would strech from The sea to Iraq. So technicly Jordan is Israeli territory. That said in compliance with the 2 state solution the Jordan river will be the border between the Palestinian state and the Jewish state.

I will second that. This gives the arabs/palestinians a home in what is essentially the "palestinian nation" (Jordan) and allows Israel to fully incorporate the West Bank and Jerusalem.

[Beloyukto]

According to the Balfour Declaration, the Jewish state would strech from The sea to Iraq. So technicly Jordan is Israeli territory. That said in compliance with the 2 state solution the Jordan river will be the border between the Palestinian state and the Jewish state.

I will second that. This gives the arabs/palestinians a home in what is essentially the "palestinian nation" (Jordan) and allows Israel to fully incorporate the West Bank and Jerusalem.

Yes, and maybe one day we'll even see pink whales flying all around.

[DogDoo 7]

Both are still ethnic cleansing, whether one was murdering them all or forcing them all of them to leave.

There is a vast difference there Dilange, between giving an avowed enemy quarter and simply killing them. This action would be no different than what the IDF did to our settlers in Gaza....... going into their homes, beating their asses, dragging them out kicking and screaming, bulldozing their homes before their eyes, and then forcibly relocating them from their lands. This was done for "Dis-Engagement". IDF troopers beating the fucking shit out of Jews. If it's good enough for our people then it's good enough for the arabs/palestinians. And I don't give a damn what the media says about it. Where were all these great humanitarians when it was our people being "Ethnically Cleansed"? I think I've made my point here quite clearly.

I'm sorry, Ahmed the barber who cuts my hair in Ramallah isn't an "avowed enemy" of anyone. Better stop carrying that rifle, you're starting to get hammer-nail syndrome.
Are you one of those people that calls it "apartheid" when settlers can't go into Area A?

And why is it so terrible for the IDF to beat the shit out of Jews? I mean, it's generally terrible to beat the shit out of anyone, it's not extra terrible just because they aren't supposed to eat lamb with yogurt.

[The God-Realm]

Those territories aren't yours to begin with,

According to the Balfour Declaration, the Jewish state would strech from The sea to Iraq. So technicly Jordan is Israeli territory. That said in compliance with the 2 state solution the Jordan river will be the border between the Palestinian state and the Jewish state.

Ridiculous, none of that is Jewish at all.

[Seangoli]

According to the Balfour Declaration, the Jewish state would strech from The sea to Iraq. So technicly Jordan is Israeli territory. That said in compliance with the 2 state solution the Jordan river will be the border between the Palestinian state and the Jewish state.

does it actually mention jordan or does it only apply because "jordan is palestine lel!!!"

Oh, you're going to love this.

The Declaration alludes to Palestine (Though doesn't set exact borders). It states that Palestine will be somewhere southwest of Syria Vilayet. Syraia Vilayet is located in modern day Jordan, with a western border on the Jordan River. So if Palestine is somewhere west of Syria Vilayet, there would be absolutely no way for any part of Palestine, by the definition given in the Declaration itself, to be in Jordan at all.

The Balfour Declaration actually is proof against the entire ridiculousness he is shooting off, as by its language it actually sets Palestine up as being west of the River, with no part east of it.

[DogDoo 7]

Who the fuck are you to just make up numbers and say "oh hurr durr, you're not peaceful???" Like literally, what possible electrochemical fault in your neurons decided to misfire and send this random number to your brain?

Your refusal to list any contyradictionary statistics means that my statistics are 100%. I knew the Israelis would confirm them.

What the fuck kind of statistic is "peaceful???" Is someone who really really wants to punch me but doesn't peaceful? What percentage of Israelis are "peaceful?" What do you define as "peaceful?" Why are you deliberately trolling the forum with your repeated intellectual dishonesty?

[Oooghka]

I say we kick them all out and put the buddhists in place. Free tibet!

[United States of Peace]

Your refusal to list any contyradictionary statistics means that my statistics are 100%. I knew the Israelis would confirm them.

What the fuck kind of statistic is "peaceful???" Is someone who really really wants to punch me but doesn't peaceful? What percentage of Israelis are "peaceful?" What do you define as "peaceful?" Why are you deliberately trolling the forum with your repeated intellectual dishonesty?

Hes just a troll. you should just ignore him.

[Seangoli]

Who the fuck are you to just make up numbers and say "oh hurr durr, you're not peaceful???" Like literally, what possible electrochemical fault in your neurons decided to misfire and send this random number to your brain?

Your refusal to list any contyradictionary statistics means that my statistics are 100%. I knew the Israelis would confirm them.

Those are not statistics. Those are guesses. Statistics are made up of hard factual data based on actual numbers that have been gained through research on the demographics. You are simply throwing out random numbers without any sort of numerical data behind you.

Seriously, learn what statistics is if you're going to be spouting this kind of stuff off.